04-22-2016, 08:09 PM
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to Hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip." W. Churchill
Poll: How do you feel about Harriet Tubman as the new face of the U.S. $20 bill? - You do not have permission to vote in this poll.
Great idea!
50.00%
27
50.00%
Neutral - May be better choices but doesn\'t bug me.
31.48%
17
31.48%
Confused. Seems like a reach for a face on our currency.
3.70%
2
3.70%
Not a fan
7.41%
4
7.41%
No opinion
7.41%
4
7.41%
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In defense of the $20 bill.
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to Hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip." W. Churchill
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to Hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip." W. Churchill
04-22-2016, 09:11 PM
The war was already over.
And I'm with WIM; Andrew Jackson was a racist, a slave owner and trader, and a viciously genocidal, a-hole of a President who ignored the rule of law, refusing to enforce Worcester v. Georgia. Even applying the cultural mores of the time, Jackson was a brute. He may have been a great colonel, but that doesn't merit his face on the $20 bill. I'd much rather Hamilton on the $10 than Jackson on the $20.
BC
And I'm with WIM; Andrew Jackson was a racist, a slave owner and trader, and a viciously genocidal, a-hole of a President who ignored the rule of law, refusing to enforce Worcester v. Georgia. Even applying the cultural mores of the time, Jackson was a brute. He may have been a great colonel, but that doesn't merit his face on the $20 bill. I'd much rather Hamilton on the $10 than Jackson on the $20.
BC
The war was already over.
And I'm with WIM; Andrew Jackson was a racist, a slave owner and trader, and a viciously genocidal, a-hole of a President who ignored the rule of law, refusing to enforce Worcester v. Georgia. Even applying the cultural mores of the time, Jackson was a brute. He may have been a great colonel, but that doesn't merit his face on the $20 bill. I'd much rather Hamilton on the $10 than Jackson on the $20.
BC
And I'm with WIM; Andrew Jackson was a racist, a slave owner and trader, and a viciously genocidal, a-hole of a President who ignored the rule of law, refusing to enforce Worcester v. Georgia. Even applying the cultural mores of the time, Jackson was a brute. He may have been a great colonel, but that doesn't merit his face on the $20 bill. I'd much rather Hamilton on the $10 than Jackson on the $20.
BC
I'm curious about the Tubman choice so I posted a poll to see how folks around here feel.Â
I hope this isn't inflammatory. I'd like to see respectful comments and trust this group to be more mature and thoughtful than most. Please realize this topic could be divisive so take a deep breath and read your comments twice before hitting "Post". I hope I don't regret this...
I voted "Neutral". I'd have gone with MLK as a more likely inclusive choice.
I hope this isn't inflammatory. I'd like to see respectful comments and trust this group to be more mature and thoughtful than most. Please realize this topic could be divisive so take a deep breath and read your comments twice before hitting "Post". I hope I don't regret this...
I voted "Neutral". I'd have gone with MLK as a more likely inclusive choice.
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
I'm curious about the Tubman choice so I posted a poll to see how folks around here feel.Â
I hope this isn't inflammatory. I'd like to see respectful comments and trust this group to be more mature and thoughtful than most. Please realize this topic could be divisive so take a deep breath and read your comments twice before hitting "Post". I hope I don't regret this...
I voted "Neutral". I'd have gone with MLK as a more likely inclusive choice.
I hope this isn't inflammatory. I'd like to see respectful comments and trust this group to be more mature and thoughtful than most. Please realize this topic could be divisive so take a deep breath and read your comments twice before hitting "Post". I hope I don't regret this...
I voted "Neutral". I'd have gone with MLK as a more likely inclusive choice.
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
04-23-2016, 04:31 AM
(04-22-2016, 09:11 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:The war was already over.+1.
And I'm with WIM; Andrew Jackson was a racist, a slave owner and trader, and a viciously genocidal, a-hole of a President who ignored the rule of law, refusing to enforce Worcester v. Georgia. Even applying the cultural mores of the time, Jackson was a brute. He may have been a great colonel, but that doesn't merit his face on the $20 bill. I'd much rather Hamilton on the $10 than Jackson on the $20.
BC
(04-22-2016, 09:11 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:The war was already over.+1.
And I'm with WIM; Andrew Jackson was a racist, a slave owner and trader, and a viciously genocidal, a-hole of a President who ignored the rule of law, refusing to enforce Worcester v. Georgia. Even applying the cultural mores of the time, Jackson was a brute. He may have been a great colonel, but that doesn't merit his face on the $20 bill. I'd much rather Hamilton on the $10 than Jackson on the $20.
BC
04-23-2016, 09:21 AM
With respect to ferrarri, who was merely trying to introduce a potentially interesting topic, politics unfortunately can be intertwined with this $20 bill. I would prefer not to have politics on a Stanford sports forum and suggest we instead post on other threads on things like our still-thin DL.
With respect to ferrarri, who was merely trying to introduce a potentially interesting topic, politics unfortunately can be intertwined with this $20 bill. I would prefer not to have politics on a Stanford sports forum and suggest we instead post on other threads on things like our still-thin DL.
04-23-2016, 09:41 AM
I would vote to leave our currency alone. It should not be subject to the whims of political correctness.
Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip.
04-23-2016, 10:34 AM
MLK wasn't a woman, which was the point. Tubman is a great choice, even if I was pulling for Billie Holiday. Historically Andrew Jackson was a rat bastard who didn't even believe in Reserve Notes. Good riddance. Rachel Maddow had an interesting piece on how often the $20 bill used to change. Of course it's political.
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working .I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. Peter Gibbons
MLK wasn't a woman, which was the point. Tubman is a great choice, even if I was pulling for Billie Holiday. Historically Andrew Jackson was a rat bastard who didn't even believe in Reserve Notes. Good riddance. Rachel Maddow had an interesting piece on how often the $20 bill used to change. Of course it's political.
Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working .I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. Peter Gibbons
(04-23-2016, 09:41 AM)martyup link Wrote:I would vote to leave our currency alone. It should not be subject to the whims of political correctness.
It seems to me that the currency already was "subject to whims of political correctness" when Jackson was chosen for the $20 bill back in 1928.
Previous $20 notes bore the portraits of Alexander Hamilton, George Washington, Daniel Manning, James Garfield, John Marshall, Stephen Decatur, Grover Cleveland, and Hugh McCullough. Those choices were politically influenced too. Those political choices eventually gave way to the choices of later times.
Why should the choice of Jackson be frozen in time, forever enshrining the political correctness of 1928?
![[Image: 20-dollar-bill-040.jpg]](http://www.antiquemoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/20-dollar-bill-040.jpg)
Hugh McCullough, Secretary of the Treasury
![[Image: 1891-10-silver-certificate-gem-uncirculated1.jpg]](http://www.antiquemoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1891-10-silver-certificate-gem-uncirculated1.jpg)
Daniel Manning, Secretary of the Treasury
![[Image: 20-1880-1878-silver-certificate.jpg]](http://www.antiquemoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/20-1880-1878-silver-certificate.jpg)
Stephen Decatur, naval commander
![[Image: 1910s-20-blue-seal-federal-reserve-note.jpg]](http://www.antiquemoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/1910s-20-blue-seal-federal-reserve-note.jpg)
Grover Cleveland
![[Image: 1890s-twenty-dollar-treasury-note.jpg]](http://www.antiquemoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/1890s-twenty-dollar-treasury-note.jpg)
John Marshall
![[Image: 20-1882-gold-certificate3.jpg]](http://www.antiquemoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/20-1882-gold-certificate3.jpg)
James Garfield
![[Image: 1922-20-Gold-Certificate-Gem-Uncirculated.jpg]](http://www.antiquemoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1922-20-Gold-Certificate-Gem-Uncirculated.jpg)
George Washington
![[Image: 1870s-20-legal-tender-note.jpg]](http://www.antiquemoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/1870s-20-legal-tender-note.jpg)
Alexander Hamilton
(04-23-2016, 09:41 AM)martyup link Wrote:I would vote to leave our currency alone. It should not be subject to the whims of political correctness.
It seems to me that the currency already was "subject to whims of political correctness" when Jackson was chosen for the $20 bill back in 1928.
Previous $20 notes bore the portraits of Alexander Hamilton, George Washington, Daniel Manning, James Garfield, John Marshall, Stephen Decatur, Grover Cleveland, and Hugh McCullough. Those choices were politically influenced too. Those political choices eventually gave way to the choices of later times.
Why should the choice of Jackson be frozen in time, forever enshrining the political correctness of 1928?
Hugh McCullough, Secretary of the Treasury
Daniel Manning, Secretary of the Treasury
Stephen Decatur, naval commander
Grover Cleveland
John Marshall
James Garfield
George Washington
Alexander Hamilton
04-23-2016, 10:59 AM
all above invariably true... and like it or not, his views shared by many/most at that time,
he claimed to represent the 'common man' as opposed to the elite
Tubman a fine choice... I also liked the idea of Sacajawea
he claimed to represent the 'common man' as opposed to the elite
Tubman a fine choice... I also liked the idea of Sacajawea
04-23-2016, 11:10 AM
Nice find, Terry. I noticed some silver certificates in there. I remember deep in the recesses of my mind, that my Girl Scout leader showed us a silver certificate and told us there was a difference between those and dollar bills. I've since forgotten. Does anyone know?
Nice find, Terry. I noticed some silver certificates in there. I remember deep in the recesses of my mind, that my Girl Scout leader showed us a silver certificate and told us there was a difference between those and dollar bills. I've since forgotten. Does anyone know?
04-23-2016, 12:48 PM
If we're going to change the $20 bill, I vote for Ronald Reagan.
![[Image: Ronald%20Reagan%2001%20Money%2002_zpsfui1kui2.jpg]](http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/tcny05/Politics/Ronald%20Reagan%2001%20Money%2002_zpsfui1kui2.jpg)
Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip.
04-23-2016, 01:15 PM
(04-23-2016, 09:41 AM)martyup link Wrote:I would vote to leave our currency alone. It should not be subject to the whims of political correctness.
Everything -- and I mean EVERYTHING -- is subject to the whims of political correctness.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
04-23-2016, 02:04 PM
(04-23-2016, 11:39 AM)garvin link Wrote:They were, once upon a time, redeemable from the government for actual silver. That hasn't been true in decades -- I believe it was Lyndon Johnson's government that changed it.
Wasn't it under Nixon?
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
(04-23-2016, 11:39 AM)garvin link Wrote:They were, once upon a time, redeemable from the government for actual silver. That hasn't been true in decades -- I believe it was Lyndon Johnson's government that changed it.
Wasn't it under Nixon?
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
Has either Roosevelt president made it onto any currency? They'd be my choice based upon merit and societal impact other than the obvious disqualifiers.
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
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Has either Roosevelt president made it onto any currency? They'd be my choice based upon merit and societal impact other than the obvious disqualifiers.
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
04-23-2016, 03:46 PM
(04-23-2016, 03:23 PM)garvin link Wrote:Wikipedia, which has never been known to be wrong, says it was 1968, which would be the tail end of the Johnson presidency.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_cer...ed_States)
Nixon took the United States off the gold standard, so maybe you're thinking of that.
You're absolutely right. The silver certificate allowed a person to buy a set amount of silver (right? Hence, the name?) in exchange for said certificate. Nixon set chaos in motion w/ Bretton Woods, I think, which allowed currencies to float. Ultimately, that required the price of gold to float. So, yes, I was thinking of Nixon.
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
(04-23-2016, 03:23 PM)garvin link Wrote:Wikipedia, which has never been known to be wrong, says it was 1968, which would be the tail end of the Johnson presidency.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_cer...ed_States)
Nixon took the United States off the gold standard, so maybe you're thinking of that.
You're absolutely right. The silver certificate allowed a person to buy a set amount of silver (right? Hence, the name?) in exchange for said certificate. Nixon set chaos in motion w/ Bretton Woods, I think, which allowed currencies to float. Ultimately, that required the price of gold to float. So, yes, I was thinking of Nixon.
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
(04-23-2016, 12:57 PM)ferrari link Wrote:Since neither Roosevelt, Eisenhower nor Kennedy have yet made the gipper will just have to wait in line. With the exception of Garfield it seems the time between death and printing is quite long.
Franklin Roosevelt is on the dime, Kennedy is on the fifty cent piece, and Eisenhower was on the dollar coin.
(04-23-2016, 12:57 PM)ferrari link Wrote:Since neither Roosevelt, Eisenhower nor Kennedy have yet made the gipper will just have to wait in line. With the exception of Garfield it seems the time between death and printing is quite long.
Franklin Roosevelt is on the dime, Kennedy is on the fifty cent piece, and Eisenhower was on the dollar coin.
04-23-2016, 05:46 PM
little did I know but the $1 coin has had special issues since 2007 with a different President on each one.
The Presidential $1 Coins
The United States is honoring our Nation's Presidents by issuing $1 coins featuring their images in the order they served in office. Three Presidential $1 Coins will be issued in 2016, the final year of the program.
Due this year
- Nixon
- Ford
- Reagan
https://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/...n=schedule
The Presidential $1 Coins
The United States is honoring our Nation's Presidents by issuing $1 coins featuring their images in the order they served in office. Three Presidential $1 Coins will be issued in 2016, the final year of the program.
Due this year
- Nixon
- Ford
- Reagan
https://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/...n=schedule
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
little did I know but the $1 coin has had special issues since 2007 with a different President on each one.
The Presidential $1 Coins
The United States is honoring our Nation's Presidents by issuing $1 coins featuring their images in the order they served in office. Three Presidential $1 Coins will be issued in 2016, the final year of the program.
Due this year
- Nixon
- Ford
- Reagan
https://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/...n=schedule
The Presidential $1 Coins
The United States is honoring our Nation's Presidents by issuing $1 coins featuring their images in the order they served in office. Three Presidential $1 Coins will be issued in 2016, the final year of the program.
Due this year
- Nixon
- Ford
- Reagan
https://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/...n=schedule
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
04-23-2016, 05:55 PM
I just find it weird the treasury actively cultivates a collectibles market. I like that they'll change the face on a bill every few years, but all these different coins that are never used for practical purposes seems like a non vital government function that should be shuttered.
I just find it weird the treasury actively cultivates a collectibles market. I like that they'll change the face on a bill every few years, but all these different coins that are never used for practical purposes seems like a non vital government function that should be shuttered.
04-23-2016, 07:27 PM
(04-23-2016, 05:55 PM)FarmBoy link Wrote:I just find it weird the treasury actively cultivates a collectibles market. I like that they'll change the face on a bill every few years, but all these different coins that are never used for practical purposes seems like a non vital government function that should be shuttered.
No different than collectible stamps issued by the government that will never be used for postage. Raises some cash for the govt.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(04-23-2016, 05:55 PM)FarmBoy link Wrote:I just find it weird the treasury actively cultivates a collectibles market. I like that they'll change the face on a bill every few years, but all these different coins that are never used for practical purposes seems like a non vital government function that should be shuttered.
No different than collectible stamps issued by the government that will never be used for postage. Raises some cash for the govt.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
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