09-05-2015, 12:06 PM
I want Condoleezza Rice to be a member of the coaching staff. At least sheʻs bolder and not afraid to take chances.
Northwestern Game Thread
I want Condoleezza Rice to be a member of the coaching staff. At least sheʻs bolder and not afraid to take chances.
09-05-2015, 12:06 PM
(09-05-2015, 12:04 PM)stanfordite link Wrote:Looks my days of being a fan are numbered.
Ummm. Being a fan means that your fandom's days aren't numbered after witnessing a bad game. The whole point of being a fan, as opposed to a band wagoner, is that you support the team through good, bad, and putrid.
BC
(09-05-2015, 12:04 PM)stanfordite link Wrote:Looks my days of being a fan are numbered.
Ummm. Being a fan means that your fandom's days aren't numbered after witnessing a bad game. The whole point of being a fan, as opposed to a band wagoner, is that you support the team through good, bad, and putrid.
BC
09-05-2015, 12:08 PM
The only thing that would cheer me up would be good news about Harrison Phillips. Any word?
09-05-2015, 12:10 PM
Hate to go there, but how much leeway does Shaw have? I think it would take, two, maybe three, 2 or 3 win seasons before he gets let go.
09-05-2015, 12:11 PM
Muir refuses to fire Dawkins. You think he's firing a Rose Bowl-winning coach?
Muir refuses to fire Dawkins. You think he's firing a Rose Bowl-winning coach?
09-05-2015, 12:12 PM
(09-05-2015, 12:06 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=stanfordite link=topic=12655.msg126899#msg126899 date=1441479881]
Looks my days of being a fan are numbered.
Ummm. Being a fan means that your fandom's days aren't numbered after witnessing a bad game. The whole point of being a fan, as opposed to a band wagoner, is that you support the team through good, bad, and putrid.
BC
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I'm seriously giving up being a fan of not just Stanford but the entire sport itself. In fact I now want to see Congress ban football in this country completely.
(09-05-2015, 12:06 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=stanfordite link=topic=12655.msg126899#msg126899 date=1441479881]
Looks my days of being a fan are numbered.
Ummm. Being a fan means that your fandom's days aren't numbered after witnessing a bad game. The whole point of being a fan, as opposed to a band wagoner, is that you support the team through good, bad, and putrid.
BC
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I'm seriously giving up being a fan of not just Stanford but the entire sport itself. In fact I now want to see Congress ban football in this country completely.
09-05-2015, 12:16 PM
(09-05-2015, 12:06 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=stanfordite link=topic=12655.msg126899#msg126899 date=1441479881]
Looks my days of being a fan are numbered.
Ummm. Being a fan means that your fandom's days aren't numbered after witnessing a bad game. The whole point of being a fan, as opposed to a band wagoner, is that you support the team through good, bad, and putrid.
BC
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I'm glad you put putrid in there, or I might have been tempted to bail myself.
(No time for joking, I realize).
(09-05-2015, 12:06 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=stanfordite link=topic=12655.msg126899#msg126899 date=1441479881]
Looks my days of being a fan are numbered.
Ummm. Being a fan means that your fandom's days aren't numbered after witnessing a bad game. The whole point of being a fan, as opposed to a band wagoner, is that you support the team through good, bad, and putrid.
BC
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I'm glad you put putrid in there, or I might have been tempted to bail myself.
(No time for joking, I realize).
09-05-2015, 12:25 PM
I feel like a sucker for having bought all the hype. I am not delusional. I did not harbor expectations of unimpeded success. I did expect to witness athletic prowess (some, but very little), organizational discipline, bold strategic thinking and courage and effort. This game is among the biggest letdowns I have ever experienced watching Stanford football. The disparity between what I thought was reasonable to expect versus what I actually saw is greater (in the negative direction) than any time I can ever recall.
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
I feel like a sucker for having bought all the hype. I am not delusional. I did not harbor expectations of unimpeded success. I did expect to witness athletic prowess (some, but very little), organizational discipline, bold strategic thinking and courage and effort. This game is among the biggest letdowns I have ever experienced watching Stanford football. The disparity between what I thought was reasonable to expect versus what I actually saw is greater (in the negative direction) than any time I can ever recall.
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
09-05-2015, 12:30 PM
(09-05-2015, 12:25 PM)CornFed link Wrote:I feel like a sucker for having bought all the hype. I am not delusional. I did not harbor expectations of unimpeded success. I did expect to witness athletic prowess (some, but very little), organizational discipline, bold strategic thinking and courage and effort. This game is among the biggest letdowns I have ever experienced watching Stanford football. The disparity between what I thought was reasonable to expect versus what I actually saw is greater (in the negative direction) than any time I can ever recall.
I think we all bought into the notion that last year's offensive ineptitude was behind us. Clearly, it isn't.
(09-05-2015, 12:25 PM)CornFed link Wrote:I feel like a sucker for having bought all the hype. I am not delusional. I did not harbor expectations of unimpeded success. I did expect to witness athletic prowess (some, but very little), organizational discipline, bold strategic thinking and courage and effort. This game is among the biggest letdowns I have ever experienced watching Stanford football. The disparity between what I thought was reasonable to expect versus what I actually saw is greater (in the negative direction) than any time I can ever recall.
I think we all bought into the notion that last year's offensive ineptitude was behind us. Clearly, it isn't.
09-05-2015, 12:32 PM
I've been trying to type up a concise summation of my feelings for a good ten minutes, so I'll just sum it up thusly: embarrassing
I've been trying to type up a concise summation of my feelings for a good ten minutes, so I'll just sum it up thusly: embarrassing
09-05-2015, 12:33 PM
Well, *****.
"We should all be better." --- Bill Walton, UCLA telecast, Feb. 16, 2013
Well, *****.
"We should all be better." --- Bill Walton, UCLA telecast, Feb. 16, 2013
09-05-2015, 12:39 PM
This game can be traced back to the 2012 class: only two linemen worth anything emerged from it -- Peat and Shittu. The rest has drastically underperformed its recruiting press. That directly leads to the inability to get a push on offense and the too-light-but-promising DL. (Both Philips and Thomas, in another year, would be serving apprenticeships as rotational DL.)
This game can be traced back to the 2012 class: only two linemen worth anything emerged from it -- Peat and Shittu. The rest has drastically underperformed its recruiting press. That directly leads to the inability to get a push on offense and the too-light-but-promising DL. (Both Philips and Thomas, in another year, would be serving apprenticeships as rotational DL.)
09-05-2015, 12:55 PM
~15 pages' worth of posts while I was gone...I agree with a lot of it.Â
OL can't run block that well, but pass pro is decent...except that Hogan is sailing balls long and also not always leading his receiver well enough. We can't overcome the last of both a passing and a running game.
Defense needs to stop the run during a hurry-up offense. Hurry-up offenses that run seem to give us fits (see MSU in the most recent Rose Bowl).
OL can't run block that well, but pass pro is decent...except that Hogan is sailing balls long and also not always leading his receiver well enough. We can't overcome the last of both a passing and a running game.
Defense needs to stop the run during a hurry-up offense. Hurry-up offenses that run seem to give us fits (see MSU in the most recent Rose Bowl).
~15 pages' worth of posts while I was gone...I agree with a lot of it.Â
OL can't run block that well, but pass pro is decent...except that Hogan is sailing balls long and also not always leading his receiver well enough. We can't overcome the last of both a passing and a running game.
Defense needs to stop the run during a hurry-up offense. Hurry-up offenses that run seem to give us fits (see MSU in the most recent Rose Bowl).
OL can't run block that well, but pass pro is decent...except that Hogan is sailing balls long and also not always leading his receiver well enough. We can't overcome the last of both a passing and a running game.
Defense needs to stop the run during a hurry-up offense. Hurry-up offenses that run seem to give us fits (see MSU in the most recent Rose Bowl).
09-05-2015, 01:02 PM
(09-05-2015, 10:34 AM)SeattleTree link Wrote:Chins up, fellow Trees the coaching staff just doesn't want to reveal too much before the u$c game!
Yeah, our plan is to go into the Collesium 0 - 2 and shock the world. Great.
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to Hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip." W. Churchill
(09-05-2015, 10:34 AM)SeattleTree link Wrote:Chins up, fellow Trees the coaching staff just doesn't want to reveal too much before the u$c game!
Yeah, our plan is to go into the Collesium 0 - 2 and shock the world. Great.
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to Hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip." W. Churchill
11-08-2015, 02:11 PM
(09-05-2015, 11:27 AM)TreeFitty link Wrote:So.....no bowl game this year?
LOL at me.
11-08-2015, 02:51 PM
(11-08-2015, 02:11 PM)TreeFitty link Wrote:[quote author=TreeFitty link=topic=12655.msg126854#msg126854 date=1441477677]
So.....no bowl game this year?
LOL at me.
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LOL at this whole thread. I mean, it's tough to read as a reminder of the depths of our despair, but when even when some of our most rational posters are saying "FIRE SOMEONE", it does go to show how crazy we were after a loss. Of course, if that Northwestern game hadn't been an aberrancy, and was indicative of how we'd play all season, all the gnashing of teeth would have been justified.
BC
(11-08-2015, 02:11 PM)TreeFitty link Wrote:[quote author=TreeFitty link=topic=12655.msg126854#msg126854 date=1441477677]
So.....no bowl game this year?
LOL at me.
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LOL at this whole thread. I mean, it's tough to read as a reminder of the depths of our despair, but when even when some of our most rational posters are saying "FIRE SOMEONE", it does go to show how crazy we were after a loss. Of course, if that Northwestern game hadn't been an aberrancy, and was indicative of how we'd play all season, all the gnashing of teeth would have been justified.
BC
11-08-2015, 03:22 PM
There is the possibility, however, that this horrible loss actually did provoke changes--on the part of the players and the coaches--that improved performance. So if the players and coaches also reacted in the way we did, it may have been to the good. And thus our reactions to that first week debacle were not necessarily without merit.
There is the possibility, however, that this horrible loss actually did provoke changes--on the part of the players and the coaches--that improved performance. So if the players and coaches also reacted in the way we did, it may have been to the good. And thus our reactions to that first week debacle were not necessarily without merit.
11-08-2015, 04:56 PM
I don't think our reactions that day need to be rationalized nor is an apology necessary. In fact, I think that subsequent events have demonstrated that the disappointment and condemnation were entirely deserved. As loving fans we are nearly obliged to react that strongly. Stanford's football team is, indeed, better than we played that day - by a wide margin. It appears to be true that Northwestern is better than many of us realized at the time, but that does not mean that our collective reaction was in any way out of line.
Spewing demands to change the coaching structure and never watching football again are simply the exasperated venting of fans who were convinced there was waaaay more potential in this team than they exhibited that day.
I am so glad that it has worked out as it has. We are very blessed.
Spewing demands to change the coaching structure and never watching football again are simply the exasperated venting of fans who were convinced there was waaaay more potential in this team than they exhibited that day.
I am so glad that it has worked out as it has. We are very blessed.
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
I don't think our reactions that day need to be rationalized nor is an apology necessary. In fact, I think that subsequent events have demonstrated that the disappointment and condemnation were entirely deserved. As loving fans we are nearly obliged to react that strongly. Stanford's football team is, indeed, better than we played that day - by a wide margin. It appears to be true that Northwestern is better than many of us realized at the time, but that does not mean that our collective reaction was in any way out of line.
Spewing demands to change the coaching structure and never watching football again are simply the exasperated venting of fans who were convinced there was waaaay more potential in this team than they exhibited that day.
I am so glad that it has worked out as it has. We are very blessed.
Spewing demands to change the coaching structure and never watching football again are simply the exasperated venting of fans who were convinced there was waaaay more potential in this team than they exhibited that day.
I am so glad that it has worked out as it has. We are very blessed.
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
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