[82 Card]

Seems like only yesterday that we were considering the end of the national championship streak. If women's water polo had not gone first, I think some of us would have had heart attacks watching Stackhouse gut this one out.

[82 Card]

Seems like only yesterday that we were considering the end of the national championship streak. If women's water polo had not gone first, I think some of us would have had heart attacks watching Stackhouse gut this one out.

[CornFed]

Seems like only yesterday that we were considering the end of the national championship streak. If women's water polo had not gone first, I think some of us would have had heart attacks watching Stackhouse gut this one out.

Man, I hadn't thought of that!  That would have simply added too much stress.  I really owe Women's Water Polo a debt of gratitude.

[CornFed]

Seems like only yesterday that we were considering the end of the national championship streak. If women's water polo had not gone first, I think some of us would have had heart attacks watching Stackhouse gut this one out.

Man, I hadn't thought of that!  That would have simply added too much stress.  I really owe Women's Water Polo a debt of gratitude.

[SUBuddha]

I have comcast and 2 monitors. I will not lie I had the golf channel up on one screen while I designed a new online course offering on the other.

Quick notes:

1) This is as exciting as golf gets.
2) When you work at a P12 school that lost to Stanford earlier, and are two doors down from your dean, clapping loudly when Mariah made the put on 18 is a bad idea.

MRW the dean walked in:

[img height=196 width=500]https://media2.giphy.com/media/aiSGpwRj5bgJ2/200_s.gif[/img]

[SUBuddha]

I have comcast and 2 monitors. I will not lie I had the golf channel up on one screen while I designed a new online course offering on the other.

Quick notes:

1) This is as exciting as golf gets.
2) When you work at a P12 school that lost to Stanford earlier, and are two doors down from your dean, clapping loudly when Mariah made the put on 18 is a bad idea.

MRW the dean walked in:

[img height=196 width=500]https://media2.giphy.com/media/aiSGpwRj5bgJ2/200_s.gif[/img]

[Spiny_Norman]

For those who were not able to watch the match live on tv, here is a taste of the drama that you missed.  Highlights from Stackhouse-Davis match.  Both made some brilliant pressure shots.

http://www.golfchannel.com/media/womens-...vis-match/

[Spiny_Norman]

For those who were not able to watch the match live on tv, here is a taste of the drama that you missed.  Highlights from Stackhouse-Davis match.  Both made some brilliant pressure shots.

http://www.golfchannel.com/media/womens-...vis-match/

[Hulk01]

Perhaps mentioned here already, but two things:

Danielson and Aubert each went undefeated, 3-0, in match play.  That meant that only one of their other three teammates needed to win to win a team match. Those two are steely.

And they're all back next year.  After that, a fabulous 2017 recruit named Mika Liu joins the team.  And this group's experience in this year's three rounds of match play will help immensely in match play next year.

And a third: I'd argue that the hardest things in sports might be taking two free throws to tie a game with no time left, and to have a six foot putt when it counts--which it does all the time--in team match play golf.  You can deal with letting yourself down in stroke or match play solo, but the risk of costing your team a win can overwhelm you--as many Ryder Cup players can attest.

So this ranks as one of Stanford's most impressive championships.  All of them required skill, but this one took guts. 

[Hulk01]

Perhaps mentioned here already, but two things:

Danielson and Aubert each went undefeated, 3-0, in match play.  That meant that only one of their other three teammates needed to win to win a team match. Those two are steely.

And they're all back next year.  After that, a fabulous 2017 recruit named Mika Liu joins the team.  And this group's experience in this year's three rounds of match play will help immensely in match play next year.

And a third: I'd argue that the hardest things in sports might be taking two free throws to tie a game with no time left, and to have a six foot putt when it counts--which it does all the time--in team match play golf.  You can deal with letting yourself down in stroke or match play solo, but the risk of costing your team a win can overwhelm you--as many Ryder Cup players can attest.

So this ranks as one of Stanford's most impressive championships.  All of them required skill, but this one took guts. 

[pauloalto]

The Golf Channel is replaying today's final rounds until 9:00 tonight. They currently (8:15) have Stackhouse and Davies on the tenth hole. I'm looking forward to watching without all the tension!


(They might replay it again later, I don't know.)

They will show it again from 10:00 pm to midnight tonight (Wednesday).

[pauloalto]

The Golf Channel is replaying today's final rounds until 9:00 tonight. They currently (8:15) have Stackhouse and Davies on the tenth hole. I'm looking forward to watching without all the tension!


(They might replay it again later, I don't know.)

They will show it again from 10:00 pm to midnight tonight (Wednesday).

[BostonCard]

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-cen...pga-event/

One sponsor's exemption goes to the individual champion (Alabama's Emma Talley), but the second exemption goes to the coach's pick from the National Champion team.  And Anne Walker chose Kim.

BC

[BostonCard]

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-cen...pga-event/

One sponsor's exemption goes to the individual champion (Alabama's Emma Talley), but the second exemption goes to the coach's pick from the National Champion team.  And Anne Walker chose Kim.

BC

[81alum]

For those who were not able to watch the match live on tv, here is a taste of the drama that you missed.  Highlights from Stackhouse-Davis match.  Both made some brilliant pressure shots.

http://www.golfchannel.com/media/womens-...vis-match/

Thank you for this!  This is golf at my speed.  I actually found this summary interesting.  Very dramatic, indeed.

[81alum]

For those who were not able to watch the match live on tv, here is a taste of the drama that you missed.  Highlights from Stackhouse-Davis match.  Both made some brilliant pressure shots.

http://www.golfchannel.com/media/womens-...vis-match/

Thank you for this!  This is golf at my speed.  I actually found this summary interesting.  Very dramatic, indeed.

[winflop]

So bummed I couldn't not watch at all I spent all day & evening with an important partner.  Work, grrrrr

[winflop]

So bummed I couldn't not watch at all I spent all day & evening with an important partner.  Work, grrrrr

[chicard]

And a third: I'd argue that the hardest things in sports might be taking two free throws to tie a game with no time left, and to have a six foot putt when it counts--which it does all the time--in team match play golf.  You can deal with letting yourself down in stroke or match play solo, but the risk of costing your team a win can overwhelm you--as many Ryder Cup players can attest.

When watching the replay on the Golf Channel last night, I was surprised to see that Davis conceded Stackhouse's par put right before her own miss.  While Stackhouse's ball was closer to the hole, it wasn't a tap-in -- it seemed like Stackhouse was about 3 feet away, while Davis was about 4-5.  In addition, while I only watched the highlights of the USC match, it seemed like they conceded the winning put, which was also not a tap-in.  I can understand if the ball was literally on the lip of the cup, but given the point about nerves in match play, why would you concede any non-gimmee put late in a match?

[chicard]

And a third: I'd argue that the hardest things in sports might be taking two free throws to tie a game with no time left, and to have a six foot putt when it counts--which it does all the time--in team match play golf.  You can deal with letting yourself down in stroke or match play solo, but the risk of costing your team a win can overwhelm you--as many Ryder Cup players can attest.

When watching the replay on the Golf Channel last night, I was surprised to see that Davis conceded Stackhouse's par put right before her own miss.  While Stackhouse's ball was closer to the hole, it wasn't a tap-in -- it seemed like Stackhouse was about 3 feet away, while Davis was about 4-5.  In addition, while I only watched the highlights of the USC match, it seemed like they conceded the winning put, which was also not a tap-in.  I can understand if the ball was literally on the lip of the cup, but given the point about nerves in match play, why would you concede any non-gimmee put late in a match?

[CornFed]

[quote author=Hulk01 link=topic=12165.msg119334#msg119334 date=1432778423]
And a third: I'd argue that the hardest things in sports might be taking two free throws to tie a game with no time left, and to have a six foot putt when it counts--which it does all the time--in team match play golf.  You can deal with letting yourself down in stroke or match play solo, but the risk of costing your team a win can overwhelm you--as many Ryder Cup players can attest.

When watching the replay on the Golf Channel last night, I was surprised to see that Davis conceded Stackhouse's par put right before her own miss.  While Stackhouse's ball was closer to the hole, it wasn't a tap-in -- it seemed like Stackhouse was about 3 feet away, while Davis was about 4-5.  In addition, while I only watched the highlights of the U$€ match, it seemed like they conceded the winning put, which was also not a tap-in.  I can understand if the ball was literally on the lip of the cup, but given the point about nerves in match play, why would you concede any non-gimmee put late in a match?
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Stackhouse's final putt was a gimmee and I would be disappointed if our players had not given it if the roles were reversed.  But there is no objective distance at which a putt becomes a gimmee.  Therefore, there may be times when a player errs by being too generous.  Some players (Ian Poulter in the last Ryder Cup comes to mind) err on the side of being overly grudging.  The downside of not conceding an obvious gimmee is that it can inspire the opponent and even rally their team.  The upside is that your opponent misses a putt in a truly "Bill Buckner" moment (mixing sports analogies) and you win solely as a result of imposing the available crushing pressure as a competitive tool.


Ultimately, it depends upon perceptions.  Medal play requires that all putts be completed.  That is because the entire field has to be protected.  In match play concessions are allowed and are used to engender sportsmanship and camaraderie.  If a player, particularly at these levels, is making his opponents putt out one-and-a-half footers, it is disrespectful and churlish, both toward the opponent and to the game of golf.  If a player is conceding 3-footers, they are stupid at any level.


Bottom line is that the game still has an element of the old grace of its genteel origins.  I, for one, am glad for that.  I will be deeply saddened if it were ever to fall to trash-talking, or overt gamesmanship.  Now, as to less than overt gamesmanship is a different matter.  ;D  Do you breath in or out on your downswing?

[CornFed]

[quote author=Hulk01 link=topic=12165.msg119334#msg119334 date=1432778423]
And a third: I'd argue that the hardest things in sports might be taking two free throws to tie a game with no time left, and to have a six foot putt when it counts--which it does all the time--in team match play golf.  You can deal with letting yourself down in stroke or match play solo, but the risk of costing your team a win can overwhelm you--as many Ryder Cup players can attest.

When watching the replay on the Golf Channel last night, I was surprised to see that Davis conceded Stackhouse's par put right before her own miss.  While Stackhouse's ball was closer to the hole, it wasn't a tap-in -- it seemed like Stackhouse was about 3 feet away, while Davis was about 4-5.  In addition, while I only watched the highlights of the U$€ match, it seemed like they conceded the winning put, which was also not a tap-in.  I can understand if the ball was literally on the lip of the cup, but given the point about nerves in match play, why would you concede any non-gimmee put late in a match?
[/quote]


Stackhouse's final putt was a gimmee and I would be disappointed if our players had not given it if the roles were reversed.  But there is no objective distance at which a putt becomes a gimmee.  Therefore, there may be times when a player errs by being too generous.  Some players (Ian Poulter in the last Ryder Cup comes to mind) err on the side of being overly grudging.  The downside of not conceding an obvious gimmee is that it can inspire the opponent and even rally their team.  The upside is that your opponent misses a putt in a truly "Bill Buckner" moment (mixing sports analogies) and you win solely as a result of imposing the available crushing pressure as a competitive tool.


Ultimately, it depends upon perceptions.  Medal play requires that all putts be completed.  That is because the entire field has to be protected.  In match play concessions are allowed and are used to engender sportsmanship and camaraderie.  If a player, particularly at these levels, is making his opponents putt out one-and-a-half footers, it is disrespectful and churlish, both toward the opponent and to the game of golf.  If a player is conceding 3-footers, they are stupid at any level.


Bottom line is that the game still has an element of the old grace of its genteel origins.  I, for one, am glad for that.  I will be deeply saddened if it were ever to fall to trash-talking, or overt gamesmanship.  Now, as to less than overt gamesmanship is a different matter.  ;D  Do you breath in or out on your downswing?

[Hulk01]

These concessions were in the spirit of the venue for this tournament.  As several posters here know, Concession Club is named in honor of a famous acts of sportsmanship in golf: Jack Nicklaus conceding Tony Jacklin's two-foot par putt to tie the 1969 Ryder Cup.

Also seems remarkably fitting that the woman who conceded Stackhouse's putt is, like Jacklin, a Brit. 

And for any who don't know this, Nicklaus and Jacklin designed this course.

And yes, that was classic gimme range: not more than 15".

[Hulk01]

These concessions were in the spirit of the venue for this tournament.  As several posters here know, Concession Club is named in honor of a famous acts of sportsmanship in golf: Jack Nicklaus conceding Tony Jacklin's two-foot par putt to tie the 1969 Ryder Cup.

Also seems remarkably fitting that the woman who conceded Stackhouse's putt is, like Jacklin, a Brit. 

And for any who don't know this, Nicklaus and Jacklin designed this course.

And yes, that was classic gimme range: not more than 15".

[Stymie]

I very much doubt that Nicklaus would have conceded that putt if the rules of the Ryder Cup required that they then had to go to the 19th hole to settle the match....

[Stymie]

I very much doubt that Nicklaus would have conceded that putt if the rules of the Ryder Cup required that they then had to go to the 19th hole to settle the match....

[CornFed]

I disagree, Stymie.  However, I would agree with you if the resulting Ryder Cup tie had meant that Britain retained the Cup instead of the actual circumstances in which the USA retained the Cup.

[CornFed]

I disagree, Stymie.  However, I would agree with you if the resulting Ryder Cup tie had meant that Britain retained the Cup instead of the actual circumstances in which the USA retained the Cup.

[Farm93]

I very much doubt that Nicklaus would have conceded that putt if the rules of the Ryder Cup required that they then had to go to the 19th hole to settle the match....

In truth I would have thought the sequence would have been for Davis to make her putt and THEN concede the Stackhouse putt.  This way if Davis misses here putt Stackhouse putts to win.  Much cleaner result with the winner needing to complete a successful action.  And if Davis makes her putt she concedes Mariah's putt at that point and they move to hole 20.

I suspect Davis thought she would make her that 4' putt and didn't really worry about all of that.  30 minutes later at the awards ceremony it seemed clear that Davis had not really thought much about losing that way.  Felt sorry for her, but that's the nature of sports.

[Farm93]

I very much doubt that Nicklaus would have conceded that putt if the rules of the Ryder Cup required that they then had to go to the 19th hole to settle the match....

In truth I would have thought the sequence would have been for Davis to make her putt and THEN concede the Stackhouse putt.  This way if Davis misses here putt Stackhouse putts to win.  Much cleaner result with the winner needing to complete a successful action.  And if Davis makes her putt she concedes Mariah's putt at that point and they move to hole 20.

I suspect Davis thought she would make her that 4' putt and didn't really worry about all of that.  30 minutes later at the awards ceremony it seemed clear that Davis had not really thought much about losing that way.  Felt sorry for her, but that's the nature of sports.

[TooMuchTV]

In addition, while I only watched the highlights of the U$€ match, it seemed like they conceded the winning put, which was also not a tap-in.  I can understand if the ball was literally on the lip of the cup, but given the point about nerves in match play, why would you concede any non-gimmee put late in a match?

Though not a tap-in, Danielson still had two shots at that distance, not one.

[TooMuchTV]

In addition, while I only watched the highlights of the U$€ match, it seemed like they conceded the winning put, which was also not a tap-in.  I can understand if the ball was literally on the lip of the cup, but given the point about nerves in match play, why would you concede any non-gimmee put late in a match?

Though not a tap-in, Danielson still had two shots at that distance, not one.

[oldalum]

The missed putt was an unfortunate ending, but I hope it does not lessen attention to the fact that the Stanford team played extremely well to affirmatively win the title. Aubert dominated her match, and in the two close matches, Danielson and Stackhouse both birdied 17 and 18 on a very tough course that was yielding few birdies.

[oldalum]

The missed putt was an unfortunate ending, but I hope it does not lessen attention to the fact that the Stanford team played extremely well to affirmatively win the title. Aubert dominated her match, and in the two close matches, Danielson and Stackhouse both birdied 17 and 18 on a very tough course that was yielding few birdies.

[teejers1]

I'm not a golf aficionado (hacker is better descriptor), but anyone could appreciate the drama of that showdown yesterday.  I watched it all on GolfChannel late, and even knowing the ultimate result, I was riveted to the screen.  The match play format is so intense, challenging shotmaking abilities, physical stamina, and perhaps most of all, mental toughness.  Just incredible competitive drama.

Haley Davis hit a championship approach shot on #16 from the gunk, and then buried the birdie putt.  Un-freaking-believable sequence, and one that locks up the championship 90% (just a guess) of the time when you're up 2 and par out (though I know Davis still had a medium par putt on 18 left before Stackhouse drained her birdie).   

But Stackhouse finishing birdie-birdie to extend the match . . . well, it doesn't get more nails than that, and it swung momentum big time to the Cardinal.  Still, the level of play was remarkable.  How about the drive on the extra hole by Davis after Stackhouse had put her ball in prime position?  That was incredibly clutch, too.

As for conceding putts, I suspect the biggest factor is not distance, but where the pin is placed on a particular green.  Some of those pin placements looked ridiculous - reminded me of Payne Stewart's (in)famous miss at Olympic in the U.S. Open numerous years ago.  Good putts were blowing by the pin on some holes . . . and medium putts were rolling off the green.  The green on #10 did not look nearly as dangerous/ominous as some others (#13?), so I was not surprised by the concession at all. 

Great drama, great and memorable win for Stanford women's golf (and Cardinal fans everywhere), and thanks to all here who provided updates.  Were it not for that, then I'm not sure I even would have insisted on watching the replay last night.

Go Cardinal!

P.S.  One add:  the video interview of team and coach on Golf Channel now is terrific

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-cen...mpionship/

[teejers1]

I'm not a golf aficionado (hacker is better descriptor), but anyone could appreciate the drama of that showdown yesterday.  I watched it all on GolfChannel late, and even knowing the ultimate result, I was riveted to the screen.  The match play format is so intense, challenging shotmaking abilities, physical stamina, and perhaps most of all, mental toughness.  Just incredible competitive drama.

Haley Davis hit a championship approach shot on #16 from the gunk, and then buried the birdie putt.  Un-freaking-believable sequence, and one that locks up the championship 90% (just a guess) of the time when you're up 2 and par out (though I know Davis still had a medium par putt on 18 left before Stackhouse drained her birdie).   

But Stackhouse finishing birdie-birdie to extend the match . . . well, it doesn't get more nails than that, and it swung momentum big time to the Cardinal.  Still, the level of play was remarkable.  How about the drive on the extra hole by Davis after Stackhouse had put her ball in prime position?  That was incredibly clutch, too.

As for conceding putts, I suspect the biggest factor is not distance, but where the pin is placed on a particular green.  Some of those pin placements looked ridiculous - reminded me of Payne Stewart's (in)famous miss at Olympic in the U.S. Open numerous years ago.  Good putts were blowing by the pin on some holes . . . and medium putts were rolling off the green.  The green on #10 did not look nearly as dangerous/ominous as some others (#13?), so I was not surprised by the concession at all. 

Great drama, great and memorable win for Stanford women's golf (and Cardinal fans everywhere), and thanks to all here who provided updates.  Were it not for that, then I'm not sure I even would have insisted on watching the replay last night.

Go Cardinal!

P.S.  One add:  the video interview of team and coach on Golf Channel now is terrific

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-cen...mpionship/

[Stymie]

I disagree, Stymie.  However, I would agree with you if the resulting Ryder Cup tie had meant that Britain retained the Cup instead of the actual circumstances in which the USA retained the Cup.

Agree with you CF, under the current rules, but my point was that if they were playing the same rules as Stanford and Baylor (i.e. tied matches go on to sudden death) JN would never have made that concession.

[Stymie]

I disagree, Stymie.  However, I would agree with you if the resulting Ryder Cup tie had meant that Britain retained the Cup instead of the actual circumstances in which the USA retained the Cup.

Agree with you CF, under the current rules, but my point was that if they were playing the same rules as Stanford and Baylor (i.e. tied matches go on to sudden death) JN would never have made that concession.

[chicard]

[quote author=chicard link=topic=12165.msg119360#msg119360 date=1432825865]
In addition, while I only watched the highlights of the U$€ match, it seemed like they conceded the winning put, which was also not a tap-in.  I can understand if the ball was literally on the lip of the cup, but given the point about nerves in match play, why would you concede any non-gimmee put late in a match?

Though not a tap-in, Danielson still had two shots at that distance, not one.
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Did not know that -- that makes more sense.

[chicard]

[quote author=chicard link=topic=12165.msg119360#msg119360 date=1432825865]
In addition, while I only watched the highlights of the U$€ match, it seemed like they conceded the winning put, which was also not a tap-in.  I can understand if the ball was literally on the lip of the cup, but given the point about nerves in match play, why would you concede any non-gimmee put late in a match?

Though not a tap-in, Danielson still had two shots at that distance, not one.
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Did not know that -- that makes more sense.