03-22-2015, 01:44 PM
(03-22-2015, 08:43 AM)BobK link Wrote:Who? I subscribe and can't fund this offer.
I'm sure Shaw can find another scholarship donor to fund it if needed. 8)
Class of 2016
I'm sure Shaw can find another scholarship donor to fund it if needed. 8)
(03-22-2015, 08:43 AM)BobK link Wrote:Who? I subscribe and can't fund this offer.
I'm sure Shaw can find another scholarship donor to fund it if needed. 8)
03-22-2015, 05:27 PM
Still hoping all will work out with Costello, but the whole situation has raised some questions in my mind.
Does anyone know if Shaw's QB recruiting strategy (focus on one guy, emphasize that he is your top choice) is followed by any other coaches around the nation? Obviously, SC recruits multiple QBs.
I'm wondering about the wisdom of this approach. If you land your #1 guy, well, great. But if you don't, then you have lost some valuable time building relationships with other QBs (and, if you are still building them, even as you are focusing on #1, what message are you sending? Well, we like you almost as much as this other guy. Just hang on and wait a while).
I'm a big supporter of Shaw, but not particularly this approach to recruiting the QB position
Does anyone know if Shaw's QB recruiting strategy (focus on one guy, emphasize that he is your top choice) is followed by any other coaches around the nation? Obviously, SC recruits multiple QBs.
I'm wondering about the wisdom of this approach. If you land your #1 guy, well, great. But if you don't, then you have lost some valuable time building relationships with other QBs (and, if you are still building them, even as you are focusing on #1, what message are you sending? Well, we like you almost as much as this other guy. Just hang on and wait a while).
I'm a big supporter of Shaw, but not particularly this approach to recruiting the QB position
Still hoping all will work out with Costello, but the whole situation has raised some questions in my mind.
Does anyone know if Shaw's QB recruiting strategy (focus on one guy, emphasize that he is your top choice) is followed by any other coaches around the nation? Obviously, SC recruits multiple QBs.
I'm wondering about the wisdom of this approach. If you land your #1 guy, well, great. But if you don't, then you have lost some valuable time building relationships with other QBs (and, if you are still building them, even as you are focusing on #1, what message are you sending? Well, we like you almost as much as this other guy. Just hang on and wait a while).
I'm a big supporter of Shaw, but not particularly this approach to recruiting the QB position
Does anyone know if Shaw's QB recruiting strategy (focus on one guy, emphasize that he is your top choice) is followed by any other coaches around the nation? Obviously, SC recruits multiple QBs.
I'm wondering about the wisdom of this approach. If you land your #1 guy, well, great. But if you don't, then you have lost some valuable time building relationships with other QBs (and, if you are still building them, even as you are focusing on #1, what message are you sending? Well, we like you almost as much as this other guy. Just hang on and wait a while).
I'm a big supporter of Shaw, but not particularly this approach to recruiting the QB position
03-22-2015, 05:52 PM
I don't see anything wrong with it. Other schools might offer a bunch of QBs at once, but either they're honest to the recruit and tell them where they are in the pecking order, or they lie and then have to deal with the consequences. I'm pretty sure USC did the former with Costello - I seem to remember him saying that USC weren't recruiting him as hard early on as they were going after Shea Patterson, but once Patterson made his mind up about going elsewhere USC were back on Costello hard.
I think Harbaugh had the problem of trying the latter approach with Kain Colter - Colter was committed but then Nottingham committed to Stanford too, and Colter basically was pushed out. I'd rather Stanford continue to recruit backup plans and just say that we like some other guy a little bit better right now, but if he goes elsewhere then we'll offer you immediately.
The worst situation is when an offer isn't committable. This happened with Brandon Dawkins a couple of years ago - Brian Kelly gave him an offer but then was holding out for a commitment from a higher ranked QB, so ND literally didn't answer Dawkins' phone calls when he was trying to commit to them. (Dawkins ended up at Arizona.) I hope we never hear about Shaw pulling crap like that.
I think Harbaugh had the problem of trying the latter approach with Kain Colter - Colter was committed but then Nottingham committed to Stanford too, and Colter basically was pushed out. I'd rather Stanford continue to recruit backup plans and just say that we like some other guy a little bit better right now, but if he goes elsewhere then we'll offer you immediately.
The worst situation is when an offer isn't committable. This happened with Brandon Dawkins a couple of years ago - Brian Kelly gave him an offer but then was holding out for a commitment from a higher ranked QB, so ND literally didn't answer Dawkins' phone calls when he was trying to commit to them. (Dawkins ended up at Arizona.) I hope we never hear about Shaw pulling crap like that.
I don't see anything wrong with it. Other schools might offer a bunch of QBs at once, but either they're honest to the recruit and tell them where they are in the pecking order, or they lie and then have to deal with the consequences. I'm pretty sure USC did the former with Costello - I seem to remember him saying that USC weren't recruiting him as hard early on as they were going after Shea Patterson, but once Patterson made his mind up about going elsewhere USC were back on Costello hard.
I think Harbaugh had the problem of trying the latter approach with Kain Colter - Colter was committed but then Nottingham committed to Stanford too, and Colter basically was pushed out. I'd rather Stanford continue to recruit backup plans and just say that we like some other guy a little bit better right now, but if he goes elsewhere then we'll offer you immediately.
The worst situation is when an offer isn't committable. This happened with Brandon Dawkins a couple of years ago - Brian Kelly gave him an offer but then was holding out for a commitment from a higher ranked QB, so ND literally didn't answer Dawkins' phone calls when he was trying to commit to them. (Dawkins ended up at Arizona.) I hope we never hear about Shaw pulling crap like that.
I think Harbaugh had the problem of trying the latter approach with Kain Colter - Colter was committed but then Nottingham committed to Stanford too, and Colter basically was pushed out. I'd rather Stanford continue to recruit backup plans and just say that we like some other guy a little bit better right now, but if he goes elsewhere then we'll offer you immediately.
The worst situation is when an offer isn't committable. This happened with Brandon Dawkins a couple of years ago - Brian Kelly gave him an offer but then was holding out for a commitment from a higher ranked QB, so ND literally didn't answer Dawkins' phone calls when he was trying to commit to them. (Dawkins ended up at Arizona.) I hope we never hear about Shaw pulling crap like that.
03-22-2015, 06:29 PM
(03-22-2015, 05:52 PM)kuz link Wrote:I don't see anything wrong with it. Other schools might offer a bunch of QBs at once, but either they're honest to the recruit and tell them where they are in the pecking order, or they lie and then have to deal with the consequences.
...
The worst situation is when an offer isn't committable. This happened with Brandon Dawkins a couple of years ago - Brian Kelly gave him an offer but then was holding out for a commitment from a higher ranked QB, so ND literally didn't answer Dawkins' phone calls when he was trying to commit to them. (Dawkins ended up at Arizona.) I hope we never hear about Shaw pulling crap like that.
Of course either of the first two situations you describe are offers that aren't committable - or in actuality not offers at all. But it is at least better when that is made clear to the kids.
In the end there are only a few choices,
1. Offer the kid you most want and tell the next guy(s) that you like them but are waiting on someone. If the guy you most want chooses elsewhere, offer the next guy.
2. Offer the kid you most want and pretend to offer the next guys. If you the guy you most want chooses elsewhere, make the next guy's offer real.
3. Offer several guys and tell them first to commit gets the spot - or don't tell them (I guess) and let the slower guys find out once it's too late.
4. Offer several guys and give them all scholarships if they want.
[For the most part, nobody really does this.]
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Of course Shaw is recruiting qbs that he has not offered - for example Guarantano. It appears that Shaw is quite averse to the non-commitable offer scenario. A situation for which his predecessor apparently had no qualms.Â
(03-22-2015, 05:52 PM)kuz link Wrote:I don't see anything wrong with it. Other schools might offer a bunch of QBs at once, but either they're honest to the recruit and tell them where they are in the pecking order, or they lie and then have to deal with the consequences.
...
The worst situation is when an offer isn't committable. This happened with Brandon Dawkins a couple of years ago - Brian Kelly gave him an offer but then was holding out for a commitment from a higher ranked QB, so ND literally didn't answer Dawkins' phone calls when he was trying to commit to them. (Dawkins ended up at Arizona.) I hope we never hear about Shaw pulling crap like that.
Of course either of the first two situations you describe are offers that aren't committable - or in actuality not offers at all. But it is at least better when that is made clear to the kids.
In the end there are only a few choices,
1. Offer the kid you most want and tell the next guy(s) that you like them but are waiting on someone. If the guy you most want chooses elsewhere, offer the next guy.
2. Offer the kid you most want and pretend to offer the next guys. If you the guy you most want chooses elsewhere, make the next guy's offer real.
3. Offer several guys and tell them first to commit gets the spot - or don't tell them (I guess) and let the slower guys find out once it's too late.
4. Offer several guys and give them all scholarships if they want.
[For the most part, nobody really does this.]
--------------
Of course Shaw is recruiting qbs that he has not offered - for example Guarantano. It appears that Shaw is quite averse to the non-commitable offer scenario. A situation for which his predecessor apparently had no qualms.Â
03-23-2015, 01:48 PM
https://twitter.com/kj_costello/status/5...4925307904
Damn... now I really want him to come to Stanford. It would be hard to root against him, even if he joined the evil empire.
BC
Damn... now I really want him to come to Stanford. It would be hard to root against him, even if he joined the evil empire.
BC
https://twitter.com/kj_costello/status/5...4925307904
Damn... now I really want him to come to Stanford. It would be hard to root against him, even if he joined the evil empire.
BC
Damn... now I really want him to come to Stanford. It would be hard to root against him, even if he joined the evil empire.
BC
03-25-2015, 09:31 AM
Just a heads up - Costello will be announcing his commitment tomorrow at 2:45 PST.
Feeling confident that the good guys will land him.
Feeling confident that the good guys will land him.
If I had a dollar every time I was distracted, I wish I had some ice cream.
Just a heads up - Costello will be announcing his commitment tomorrow at 2:45 PST.
Feeling confident that the good guys will land him.
Feeling confident that the good guys will land him.
If I had a dollar every time I was distracted, I wish I had some ice cream.
03-25-2015, 01:31 PM
(03-25-2015, 09:31 AM)PrinceLightfoot link Wrote:Just a heads up - Costello will be announcing his commitment tomorrow at 2:45 PST.From your lips to some Higher Power's ears.
Feeling confident that the good guys will land him.
BC
(03-25-2015, 09:31 AM)PrinceLightfoot link Wrote:Just a heads up - Costello will be announcing his commitment tomorrow at 2:45 PST.From your lips to some Higher Power's ears.
Feeling confident that the good guys will land him.
BC
03-25-2015, 01:43 PM
(03-25-2015, 01:31 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=PrinceLightfoot link=topic=9617.msg115348#msg115348 date=1427301061]From your lips to some Higher Power's ears.
Just a heads up - Costello will be announcing his commitment tomorrow at 2:45 PST.
Feeling confident that the good guys will land him.
BC
[/quote]
As long as none of those ears belong to Woof Gods!
(03-25-2015, 01:31 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=PrinceLightfoot link=topic=9617.msg115348#msg115348 date=1427301061]From your lips to some Higher Power's ears.
Just a heads up - Costello will be announcing his commitment tomorrow at 2:45 PST.
Feeling confident that the good guys will land him.
BC
[/quote]
As long as none of those ears belong to Woof Gods!
(03-25-2015, 01:43 PM)Nan3cy link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=9617.msg115375#msg115375 date=1427315480]From your lips to some Higher Power's ears.
[quote author=PrinceLightfoot link=topic=9617.msg115348#msg115348 date=1427301061]
Just a heads up - Costello will be announcing his commitment tomorrow at 2:45 PST.
Feeling confident that the good guys will land him.
BC
[/quote]As long as none of those ears belong to Woof Gods!
[/quote]
Oddly, the team I've seen the most woofing from on Twitter is the team he's least likely to select.
(03-25-2015, 01:43 PM)Nan3cy link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=9617.msg115375#msg115375 date=1427315480]From your lips to some Higher Power's ears.
[quote author=PrinceLightfoot link=topic=9617.msg115348#msg115348 date=1427301061]
Just a heads up - Costello will be announcing his commitment tomorrow at 2:45 PST.
Feeling confident that the good guys will land him.
BC
[/quote]As long as none of those ears belong to Woof Gods!
[/quote]
Oddly, the team I've seen the most woofing from on Twitter is the team he's least likely to select.
03-25-2015, 02:09 PM
I predict KJ to the forces of good, but I wouldn't at all be shocked by KJ to the Evil Non-Empire.*
* (hard to call them an "Empire" given their losing record to the Greeks.)
* (hard to call them an "Empire" given their losing record to the Greeks.)
I predict KJ to the forces of good, but I wouldn't at all be shocked by KJ to the Evil Non-Empire.*
* (hard to call them an "Empire" given their losing record to the Greeks.)
* (hard to call them an "Empire" given their losing record to the Greeks.)
03-25-2015, 03:27 PM
(03-25-2015, 01:44 PM)Yvonne link Wrote:Oddly, the team I've seen the most woofing from on Twitter is the team he's least likely to select.
The #GoBlue morons on twitter are insufferably annoying!
If I had a dollar every time I was distracted, I wish I had some ice cream.
(03-25-2015, 01:44 PM)Yvonne link Wrote:Oddly, the team I've seen the most woofing from on Twitter is the team he's least likely to select.
The #GoBlue morons on twitter are insufferably annoying!
If I had a dollar every time I was distracted, I wish I had some ice cream.
03-25-2015, 04:20 PM
(03-23-2015, 01:48 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:https://twitter.com/kj_costello/status/5...4925307904
And then it's on to The Blue Fox!
(03-23-2015, 01:48 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:https://twitter.com/kj_costello/status/5...4925307904
And then it's on to The Blue Fox!
03-26-2015, 06:14 AM
My opinion of another human being who I don't know at all will go to polar extremes this afternoon.
My opinion of another human being who I don't know at all will go to polar extremes this afternoon.
03-26-2015, 02:15 PM
Looks like Costello is going to do the hat thing...
https://twitter.com/gmartlive/status/581201473750454272
Stanford hat will be on his right, which makes it the easiest for him to pick up. :)
BC
https://twitter.com/gmartlive/status/581201473750454272
Stanford hat will be on his right, which makes it the easiest for him to pick up. :)
BC
Looks like Costello is going to do the hat thing...
https://twitter.com/gmartlive/status/581201473750454272
Stanford hat will be on his right, which makes it the easiest for him to pick up. :)
BC
https://twitter.com/gmartlive/status/581201473750454272
Stanford hat will be on his right, which makes it the easiest for him to pick up. :)
BC
03-26-2015, 02:39 PM
(03-25-2015, 01:44 PM)Yvonne link Wrote:[quote author=Nan3cy link=topic=9617.msg115377#msg115377 date=1427316183]From your lips to some Higher Power's ears.
[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=9617.msg115375#msg115375 date=1427315480]
[quote author=PrinceLightfoot link=topic=9617.msg115348#msg115348 date=1427301061]
Just a heads up - Costello will be announcing his commitment tomorrow at 2:45 PST.
Feeling confident that the good guys will land him.
BC
[/quote]As long as none of those ears belong to Woof Gods!
[/quote]
Oddly, the team I've seen the most woofing from on Twitter is the team he's least likely to select.
[/quote]
Indeed, the Michigan woofing offended somebody, because Costello has apparently eliminated them.
https://twitter.com/drewkashat/status/58...4764280832
and my favorite tweet....
https://twitter.com/TremendousUM/status/...8003752960
BC
(03-25-2015, 01:44 PM)Yvonne link Wrote:[quote author=Nan3cy link=topic=9617.msg115377#msg115377 date=1427316183]From your lips to some Higher Power's ears.
[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=9617.msg115375#msg115375 date=1427315480]
[quote author=PrinceLightfoot link=topic=9617.msg115348#msg115348 date=1427301061]
Just a heads up - Costello will be announcing his commitment tomorrow at 2:45 PST.
Feeling confident that the good guys will land him.
BC
[/quote]As long as none of those ears belong to Woof Gods!
[/quote]
Oddly, the team I've seen the most woofing from on Twitter is the team he's least likely to select.
[/quote]
Indeed, the Michigan woofing offended somebody, because Costello has apparently eliminated them.
https://twitter.com/drewkashat/status/58...4764280832
and my favorite tweet....
https://twitter.com/TremendousUM/status/...8003752960
BC
03-26-2015, 02:47 PM
(03-26-2015, 02:15 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Looks like Costello is going to do the hat thing...
https://twitter.com/gmartlive/status/581201473750454272
Stanford hat will be on his right, which makes it the easiest for him to pick up. :)
BC
https://twitter.com/anthonytbroome/statu...1361619969
#hatscience
Who knew it was a thing...
BC
(03-26-2015, 02:15 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Looks like Costello is going to do the hat thing...
https://twitter.com/gmartlive/status/581201473750454272
Stanford hat will be on his right, which makes it the easiest for him to pick up. :)
BC
https://twitter.com/anthonytbroome/statu...1361619969
#hatscience
Who knew it was a thing...
BC
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