[Bruce Wang]

Oh sweet... Are we finally going to n3rd out on Doctor Who? 

Difficult to outnerd the Doctor.  Only something like Stargate or Babylon5 could even contend.  Anyhow, I'll take a shot.  How about the Thing?



Only problem is that the resemblance stops at the physical.  Ben Grimm is a cool character and a good guy. Orgeron is a slime.

Let me think.  How about Modok?



BTW I could never get into Doctor Who.  You would think being a nerd and an anglophile would make me a fan.  Somehow the two seemed to have cancelled each other out when it comes to the Doctor.

[Bruce Wang]

Oh sweet... Are we finally going to n3rd out on Doctor Who? 

Difficult to outnerd the Doctor.  Only something like Stargate or Babylon5 could even contend.  Anyhow, I'll take a shot.  How about the Thing?



Only problem is that the resemblance stops at the physical.  Ben Grimm is a cool character and a good guy. Orgeron is a slime.

Let me think.  How about Modok?



BTW I could never get into Doctor Who.  You would think being a nerd and an anglophile would make me a fan.  Somehow the two seemed to have cancelled each other out when it comes to the Doctor.

[SUBuddha]

However, PC has a VP spot as well, and in his contract, can overrule the GM on draft decisions I believe.

[SUBuddha]

However, PC has a VP spot as well, and in his contract, can overrule the GM on draft decisions I believe.

[Bruce Wang]

Does he? Doesn't the GM usually run the draft? Granted they always collaborate, but I think with most teams it's the GM's call.

I'm assuming Carroll has a significant say as supposedly one of his complaints in New England was that he didn't pick the players.

[Bruce Wang]

Does he? Doesn't the GM usually run the draft? Granted they always collaborate, but I think with most teams it's the GM's call.

I'm assuming Carroll has a significant say as supposedly one of his complaints in New England was that he didn't pick the players.

[CowboyIndian]

The Coach Ole Miss Fired....or perhaps just Miss Fired.

[CowboyIndian]

The Coach Ole Miss Fired....or perhaps just Miss Fired.

[Farm93]

[quote author=Farm93 link=topic=8494.msg69609#msg69609 date=1380574575]

I agree, but he is probably the best Haden will be able to get on the quick.  Haden needs a name ASAP ...

Your premise is goofy. Not only would Del Rio not be available quickly (he has a job), but Haden doesn't need anyone quickly either. Firing Daniel Tosh's evil twin has enhanced SC's position among recruits, not detracted from it. A four-star DE moved SC to his top three specifically because they fired Kiff.
[/quote]

They need someone quick.  They have 5/6/7 commits.  They need 19.  One is nice, but they don't have 12 others waiting.  Some schools could shrug off one small low talent class, but USC is NOT that school.  They must get 19 kids this year.  Not just a bunch of 2-star types, they need 4 star people to replace the talent they lose.  They have work to do.  They also have to get 4, and only 4, to register early.  That stuff is complicated.  Do you think Ole Ed is going to do that work?  Not going to happen.  He is not going to be at SC in 3 months.  The best thing he can do, for himself, is win a few games.  Recruiting will be the next guy's problem.

Del Rio has a job, but so does every other USC short lister.  Your premise was they would get a great coach.  Any great coach would be employed right now.  If they are going to get a great, currently employed, coach to leave their job midseason it will need to be one that can credibly say that USC was too special.

Just wait until the end of the year?  I actually hope they wait start their great coach after the season.  Then they will be competing against Texas, and the 2014 team will be hopelessly short-handed.  I doubt that is the play.  They fired Kiff now to get a jump on the process.  I expect them to hire someone currently employed.  Someone able to explain to their current employer that they had to accept because USC was calling.  And someone that can start eating family dinners at recruit homes before X-Mas.  Like I said before, my bet is the 2014 coach will not match USC's expectations.  If you map it out it just doesn't fit.  And if it doesn't fit...Oh sorry that is a line from a different USC football story.

[Farm93]

[quote author=Farm93 link=topic=8494.msg69609#msg69609 date=1380574575]

I agree, but he is probably the best Haden will be able to get on the quick.  Haden needs a name ASAP ...

Your premise is goofy. Not only would Del Rio not be available quickly (he has a job), but Haden doesn't need anyone quickly either. Firing Daniel Tosh's evil twin has enhanced SC's position among recruits, not detracted from it. A four-star DE moved SC to his top three specifically because they fired Kiff.
[/quote]

They need someone quick.  They have 5/6/7 commits.  They need 19.  One is nice, but they don't have 12 others waiting.  Some schools could shrug off one small low talent class, but USC is NOT that school.  They must get 19 kids this year.  Not just a bunch of 2-star types, they need 4 star people to replace the talent they lose.  They have work to do.  They also have to get 4, and only 4, to register early.  That stuff is complicated.  Do you think Ole Ed is going to do that work?  Not going to happen.  He is not going to be at SC in 3 months.  The best thing he can do, for himself, is win a few games.  Recruiting will be the next guy's problem.

Del Rio has a job, but so does every other USC short lister.  Your premise was they would get a great coach.  Any great coach would be employed right now.  If they are going to get a great, currently employed, coach to leave their job midseason it will need to be one that can credibly say that USC was too special.

Just wait until the end of the year?  I actually hope they wait start their great coach after the season.  Then they will be competing against Texas, and the 2014 team will be hopelessly short-handed.  I doubt that is the play.  They fired Kiff now to get a jump on the process.  I expect them to hire someone currently employed.  Someone able to explain to their current employer that they had to accept because USC was calling.  And someone that can start eating family dinners at recruit homes before X-Mas.  Like I said before, my bet is the 2014 coach will not match USC's expectations.  If you map it out it just doesn't fit.  And if it doesn't fit...Oh sorry that is a line from a different USC football story.

[97fan]

The consensus opinion in New England is that Pete Carroll was an awful coach.  He's despised here because he supposedly inherited a team with Super Bowl talent.

My experience with New England sports fans is that they have insanely unrealistic expectations. I don't think that anyone other than Pats fans believes the Drew Bledsoe-led Patriots should have been a juggernaut in the late '90s.

[97fan]

The consensus opinion in New England is that Pete Carroll was an awful coach.  He's despised here because he supposedly inherited a team with Super Bowl talent.

My experience with New England sports fans is that they have insanely unrealistic expectations. I don't think that anyone other than Pats fans believes the Drew Bledsoe-led Patriots should have been a juggernaut in the late '90s.

[needle]

Oddly, Del Rio's kid walked on this year as a QB at Alabama. Supposedly he had a UCLA offer. Some alums get huffy when their kid doesn't get offered, but probably many more just take that sort of thing in stride.

Interesting, though.

http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/...44037.html

[needle]

Oddly, Del Rio's kid walked on this year as a QB at Alabama. Supposedly he had a UCLA offer. Some alums get huffy when their kid doesn't get offered, but probably many more just take that sort of thing in stride.

Interesting, though.

http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/...44037.html

[Bruce Wang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n1KPQmdddY

I don't get the joke here, but it's still funny.

[Bruce Wang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n1KPQmdddY

I don't get the joke here, but it's still funny.

[stan01]

https://twitter.com/usc_athletics/status...6526396416

When I saw the title I got worried.  But there is nothing to be worried about.  We beat USC in its prime and we will do it again.

[stan01]

https://twitter.com/usc_athletics/status...6526396416

When I saw the title I got worried.  But there is nothing to be worried about.  We beat USC in its prime and we will do it again.

[stan01]

Best tweet of the week:

"OU Nation ‏@OUnation 29 Sep
Hey Texas Lane Kiffin is available"

[stan01]

Best tweet of the week:

"OU Nation ‏@OUnation 29 Sep
Hey Texas Lane Kiffin is available"

[JohnR34231]

I have never been a fan of the notion that you have to hire someone right away to avoid messing up your recruiting class. Better take your time and make sure you have the right person rather than rush out and get someone. Even if your recruiting class is below par because you took too long, subpar recruiting classes are easier to recover from than hiring subpar coaches.

[JohnR34231]

I have never been a fan of the notion that you have to hire someone right away to avoid messing up your recruiting class. Better take your time and make sure you have the right person rather than rush out and get someone. Even if your recruiting class is below par because you took too long, subpar recruiting classes are easier to recover from than hiring subpar coaches.

[Kathy]

Petey weighs in:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/...2527.story

[Kathy]

Petey weighs in:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/...2527.story

[Mick]

Salesman is an excellent description of Kiffie's only core competency. It's probably how he got his job and his wife.

It's how we all got our wives...

[Mick]

Salesman is an excellent description of Kiffie's only core competency. It's probably how he got his job and his wife.

It's how we all got our wives...

[FarmBoy]

Some interesting tidbits from today's ESPN Pac-12 Blog mailbag. A Utah fan linked to a 2010 ESPN article from  Pat Forde which looks pretty prescient at this point (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/st...id=4820927). The fan then goes on to note that now that Kiffin is gone, Wittingham at Utah is the only Pac12 South coach at the same school since the inaugural Pac12 season. Coaching turnover is pretty exceptional, but even that is stunning to consider.

[FarmBoy]

Some interesting tidbits from today's ESPN Pac-12 Blog mailbag. A Utah fan linked to a 2010 ESPN article from  Pat Forde which looks pretty prescient at this point (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/st...id=4820927). The fan then goes on to note that now that Kiffin is gone, Wittingham at Utah is the only Pac12 South coach at the same school since the inaugural Pac12 season. Coaching turnover is pretty exceptional, but even that is stunning to consider.

[Bruce Wang]

Found this on /r/cfb.  Wish I had thought of it.

Orgeron = Sling Blade Guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=sha...pp=desktop

[Bruce Wang]

Found this on /r/cfb.  Wish I had thought of it.

Orgeron = Sling Blade Guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=sha...pp=desktop

[Extra Point]

Haden was trying to do the smart thing: bide time until the sanctions lifted to hire a better coach.  Now $outhernCal's stupid fans and boosters forced his hand by turning the Fire Kif chants to Fire Haden chants.  They will get what they deserve.

I could not agree with you more. USC fans are making their situation much worse and don't have a clue. They think they will be getting a savior, but in two years they will be screaming to fire him.

[Extra Point]

Haden was trying to do the smart thing: bide time until the sanctions lifted to hire a better coach.  Now $outhernCal's stupid fans and boosters forced his hand by turning the Fire Kif chants to Fire Haden chants.  They will get what they deserve.

I could not agree with you more. USC fans are making their situation much worse and don't have a clue. They think they will be getting a savior, but in two years they will be screaming to fire him.

[Extra Point]

[quote author=fullmetal link=topic=8494.msg69493#msg69493 date=1380488017]
Salesman is an excellent description of Kiffie's only core competency. [b] It's probably how he got his job and his wife.

It's how we all got our wives...
[/quote]

You two must be newly weds.

[Extra Point]

[quote author=fullmetal link=topic=8494.msg69493#msg69493 date=1380488017]
Salesman is an excellent description of Kiffie's only core competency. [b] It's probably how he got his job and his wife.

It's how we all got our wives...
[/quote]

You two must be newly weds.

[Farm93]

I have never been a fan of the notion that you have to hire someone right away to avoid messing up your recruiting class. Better take your time and make sure you have the right person rather than rush out and get someone. Even if your recruiting class is below par because you took too long, subpar recruiting classes are easier to recover from than hiring subpar coaches.

That would be true in normal circumstances, but USC is losing right now because they do not have enough people.  At the end of this year probably 20 players will leave the program.  USC can sign 15(+4), so USC will definitely be worse off next year, the question is how bad will it be.  Numbers are central to the problem, and essential to the solution.

Normally, you don't tell juniors to hit the road to sign more freshman, but that happened in 2011.
Normally, you don't load up with sub-standard talent just to max out the roster, but that happened in 2011.
Normally, you don't recruit kids specifically because they can start college in January, but that happened in 2012 & 2013.

USC is not in a normal situation.  Some how, some way USC needs to get 12-14 more 3+ star athletes to verbal before February.  Ole Miss Hummer Ed is/was the recruiting coordinator that has landed only 5 solid verbals to date, so he isn't the solution.

Most on the early media lists have indicated they would never leave a current job midseason for USC or any other program (Texas).  Leaving early would be a very bad career move, so I suspect USC will wait.  They will wait not because it is in their best interests, but because no one will start when they need a coach to start.

The only exception to waiting would seem to be to raid ESPN or Pac-12 studio talent.  I would guess Slick Rick is available.  :)

SC is in a world of hurt for 2014.  The plan had to be for Kiffin to recruit a big class AND THEN get fired.  Kiff really Kiff-ed SC by losing to Wazzu.

Kiff Kiff-ed the Raiders for years after he left.  Kiff Kiff-ed the Vols for years now too.  Both of those programs were rather respectable before Kiff, and have been a complete joke since he left.  Now, it looks like Kiff has Kiff-ed SC too.

[Farm93]

I have never been a fan of the notion that you have to hire someone right away to avoid messing up your recruiting class. Better take your time and make sure you have the right person rather than rush out and get someone. Even if your recruiting class is below par because you took too long, subpar recruiting classes are easier to recover from than hiring subpar coaches.

That would be true in normal circumstances, but USC is losing right now because they do not have enough people.  At the end of this year probably 20 players will leave the program.  USC can sign 15(+4), so USC will definitely be worse off next year, the question is how bad will it be.  Numbers are central to the problem, and essential to the solution.

Normally, you don't tell juniors to hit the road to sign more freshman, but that happened in 2011.
Normally, you don't load up with sub-standard talent just to max out the roster, but that happened in 2011.
Normally, you don't recruit kids specifically because they can start college in January, but that happened in 2012 & 2013.

USC is not in a normal situation.  Some how, some way USC needs to get 12-14 more 3+ star athletes to verbal before February.  Ole Miss Hummer Ed is/was the recruiting coordinator that has landed only 5 solid verbals to date, so he isn't the solution.

Most on the early media lists have indicated they would never leave a current job midseason for USC or any other program (Texas).  Leaving early would be a very bad career move, so I suspect USC will wait.  They will wait not because it is in their best interests, but because no one will start when they need a coach to start.

The only exception to waiting would seem to be to raid ESPN or Pac-12 studio talent.  I would guess Slick Rick is available.  :)

SC is in a world of hurt for 2014.  The plan had to be for Kiffin to recruit a big class AND THEN get fired.  Kiff really Kiff-ed SC by losing to Wazzu.

Kiff Kiff-ed the Raiders for years after he left.  Kiff Kiff-ed the Vols for years now too.  Both of those programs were rather respectable before Kiff, and have been a complete joke since he left.  Now, it looks like Kiff has Kiff-ed SC too.

[Mick]

[quote author=Mick link=topic=8494.msg69666#msg69666 date=1380637462]
[quote author=fullmetal link=topic=8494.msg69493#msg69493 date=1380488017]
Salesman is an excellent description of Kiffie's only core competency. [b] It's probably how he got his job and his wife.

It's how we all got our wives...
[/quote]

You two must be newly weds.
[/quote]

29 years now, man.  And still selling....

[Mick]

[quote author=Mick link=topic=8494.msg69666#msg69666 date=1380637462]
[quote author=fullmetal link=topic=8494.msg69493#msg69493 date=1380488017]
Salesman is an excellent description of Kiffie's only core competency. [b] It's probably how he got his job and his wife.

It's how we all got our wives...
[/quote]

You two must be newly weds.
[/quote]

29 years now, man.  And still selling....

[yvonne]

[quote author=JPRI link=topic=8494.msg69663#msg69663 date=1380627084]
I have never been a fan of the notion that you have to hire someone right away to avoid messing up your recruiting class. Better take your time and make sure you have the right person rather than rush out and get someone. Even if your recruiting class is below par because you took too long, subpar recruiting classes are easier to recover from than hiring subpar coaches.

That would be true in normal circumstances, but Under Stanford Control is losing right now because they do not have enough people.  At the end of this year probably 20 players will leave the program.  Under Stanford Control can sign 15(+4), so Under Stanford Control will definitely be worse off next year, the question is how bad will it be.  Numbers are central to the problem, and essential to the solution.

Normally, you don't tell juniors to hit the road to sign more freshman, but that happened in 2011.
Normally, you don't load up with sub-standard talent just to max out the roster, but that happened in 2011.
Normally, you don't recruit kids specifically because they can start college in January, but that happened in 2012 & 2013.

....

SC is in a world of hurt for 2014.  The plan had to be for Daniel Tosh's evil twin to recruit a big class AND THEN get fired.  Kiff really Kiff-ed SC by losing to Wazzu.

Kiff Kiff-ed the Raiders for years after he left.  Kiff Kiff-ed the Vols for years now too.  Both of those programs were rather respectable before Kiff, and have been a complete joke since he left.  Now, it looks like Kiff has Kiff-ed SC too.
[/quote]

I don't think I'm following you here. SC's scholarship reductions ended last year (http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/10/...t-20100611), but due to back dating, they had been able to have a full complement of players. This recruiting cycle, they will be able to sign a full class, but probably not an extra large class (not any room to backdate).

How would the numbers situation continue to hurt them?

[yvonne]

[quote author=JPRI link=topic=8494.msg69663#msg69663 date=1380627084]
I have never been a fan of the notion that you have to hire someone right away to avoid messing up your recruiting class. Better take your time and make sure you have the right person rather than rush out and get someone. Even if your recruiting class is below par because you took too long, subpar recruiting classes are easier to recover from than hiring subpar coaches.

That would be true in normal circumstances, but Under Stanford Control is losing right now because they do not have enough people.  At the end of this year probably 20 players will leave the program.  Under Stanford Control can sign 15(+4), so Under Stanford Control will definitely be worse off next year, the question is how bad will it be.  Numbers are central to the problem, and essential to the solution.

Normally, you don't tell juniors to hit the road to sign more freshman, but that happened in 2011.
Normally, you don't load up with sub-standard talent just to max out the roster, but that happened in 2011.
Normally, you don't recruit kids specifically because they can start college in January, but that happened in 2012 & 2013.

....

SC is in a world of hurt for 2014.  The plan had to be for Daniel Tosh's evil twin to recruit a big class AND THEN get fired.  Kiff really Kiff-ed SC by losing to Wazzu.

Kiff Kiff-ed the Raiders for years after he left.  Kiff Kiff-ed the Vols for years now too.  Both of those programs were rather respectable before Kiff, and have been a complete joke since he left.  Now, it looks like Kiff has Kiff-ed SC too.
[/quote]

I don't think I'm following you here. SC's scholarship reductions ended last year (http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/10/...t-20100611), but due to back dating, they had been able to have a full complement of players. This recruiting cycle, they will be able to sign a full class, but probably not an extra large class (not any room to backdate).

How would the numbers situation continue to hurt them?