[Bruce Wang]

Unnamed $outhernCal donor: "You want the money to buy out Kif's contract?  Here it is, but you have to fire him in the most undignified manner possible."

Haden: "What's your suggestion?"

Donor: "Take him off the team bus. Fire him in the LAX parking lot.  Leave without him."

Haden: "You've got a deal."

[Bruce Wang]

Unnamed $outhernCal donor: "You want the money to buy out Kif's contract?  Here it is, but you have to fire him in the most undignified manner possible."

Haden: "What's your suggestion?"

Donor: "Take him off the team bus. Fire him in the LAX parking lot.  Leave without him."

Haden: "You've got a deal."

[Farm93]

[quote author=Farm93 link=topic=8494.msg69522#msg69522 date=1380500978]
I know every Under Stanford Control person thinks Under Stanford Control is the great place to be, but their opinions are exactly why I think it is a bad place for a coach with real potential.  Nothing but downside there, go anywhere else unless you really, really, really need the $$$.

Huh? SC is one of the best jobs in the country. Yeah, sure, you have demanding fans but you'll have demanding fans in any place that's worth being. Given the amount of talent, history and cash the program commands, it's a great job.
[/quote]

It will be a great job in 2016.  2014 and 2015 will be brutal.  A good HC will not want those losses on their resume.  The next coach will be fired for failing to win, best to wait for the roster to be closer to full force.

The 2014 class only has 5 solid verbals right now and no 5-stars.  The 5-stars will not be coming with all of this uncertainty.  So this impossibly small 2014 class with few blue chippers will not replace all of the departures.  2013's challenge is a short roster.  2014 will be much harder.  That is why it is not a good job for an high profile coach expecting to win day #1.  Texas will be better for those types.

2015 will be a chance for a coach to load up, but after 3 bad seasons UCLA will get the better 2015 LA recruits.  It is highly doubtful the 2015 class will feature 25 5-star recruits.  Worse yet, those 2015 recruits will need to play as true freshman in 2015 because the roster will be so depleted.  The USC fans will be screaming that the HC can't coach the talent, that the talent is not prepared for success, etc.  (Think Walsh II when he had his high potential frosh playing and making obvious mistakes)  Best for a real winner to come in for the 2016 season.

USC will be a good job, but 2014 will be a very bad year to start with the program.

[Farm93]

[quote author=Farm93 link=topic=8494.msg69522#msg69522 date=1380500978]
I know every Under Stanford Control person thinks Under Stanford Control is the great place to be, but their opinions are exactly why I think it is a bad place for a coach with real potential.  Nothing but downside there, go anywhere else unless you really, really, really need the $$$.

Huh? SC is one of the best jobs in the country. Yeah, sure, you have demanding fans but you'll have demanding fans in any place that's worth being. Given the amount of talent, history and cash the program commands, it's a great job.
[/quote]

It will be a great job in 2016.  2014 and 2015 will be brutal.  A good HC will not want those losses on their resume.  The next coach will be fired for failing to win, best to wait for the roster to be closer to full force.

The 2014 class only has 5 solid verbals right now and no 5-stars.  The 5-stars will not be coming with all of this uncertainty.  So this impossibly small 2014 class with few blue chippers will not replace all of the departures.  2013's challenge is a short roster.  2014 will be much harder.  That is why it is not a good job for an high profile coach expecting to win day #1.  Texas will be better for those types.

2015 will be a chance for a coach to load up, but after 3 bad seasons UCLA will get the better 2015 LA recruits.  It is highly doubtful the 2015 class will feature 25 5-star recruits.  Worse yet, those 2015 recruits will need to play as true freshman in 2015 because the roster will be so depleted.  The USC fans will be screaming that the HC can't coach the talent, that the talent is not prepared for success, etc.  (Think Walsh II when he had his high potential frosh playing and making obvious mistakes)  Best for a real winner to come in for the 2016 season.

USC will be a good job, but 2014 will be a very bad year to start with the program.

[washingtonismoney]

[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=8494.msg69523#msg69523 date=1380501250]
[quote author=Farm93 link=topic=8494.msg69522#msg69522 date=1380500978]
I know every Under Stanford Control person thinks Under Stanford Control is the great place to be, but their opinions are exactly why I think it is a bad place for a coach with real potential.  Nothing but downside there, go anywhere else unless you really, really, really need the $$$.

Huh? SC is one of the best jobs in the country. Yeah, sure, you have demanding fans but you'll have demanding fans in any place that's worth being. Given the amount of talent, history and cash the program commands, it's a great job.
[/quote]

It will be a great job in 2016.  2014 and 2015 will be brutal.  A good HC will not want those losses on their resume.  The next coach will be fired for failing to win, best to wait for the roster to be closer to full force.

The 2014 class only has 5 solid verbals right now and no 5-stars.  The 5-stars will not be coming with all of this uncertainty.  So this impossibly small 2014 class with few blue chippers will not replace all of the departures.  2013's challenge is a short roster.  2014 will be much harder.  That is why it is not a good job for an high profile coach expecting to win day #1.  Texas will be better for those types.

2015 will be a chance for a coach to load up, but after 3 bad seasons UCLA will get the better 2015 LA recruits.  It is highly doubtful the 2015 class will feature 25 5-star recruits.  Worse yet, those 2015 recruits will need to play as true freshman in 2015 because the roster will be so depleted.  The Under Stanford Control fans will be screaming that the HC can't coach the talent, that the talent is not prepared for success, etc.  (Think Walsh II when he had his high potential frosh playing and making obvious mistakes)  Best for a real winner to come in for the 2016 season.

Under Stanford Control will be a good job, but 2014 will be a very bad year to start with the program.
[/quote]


Are things in fantastic shape? No. If they were, the job wouldn't be open. The question isn't: what's going on right now, but what can I turn it into? As we know from Carroll and even from Kiff in 2011, the amount of talent SC can amass is formidable.

Of course, you might ask, how likely am I to take it there? The cupboard is far from bare; there just aren't enough silverware there. But the pieces that are there are poorly coached; that augurs well if I think I'm a good coach (which I think I am, seeing as I'm being contacted by U.S.C.) I get to coach Nelson Agholor, Su'a Cravens, Tre Madden, Leonard Williams. Max Browne was the #1 QB recruit in the country... There are things to work with here.

UCLA? I'm worried about them? This should be near the high-water mark for Bruin recruiting and they've got 9 commits and are ranked 57th in the country, with a class that is entirely composed of wideouts and defensive backs. A challenge, sure, but far from highly concerning. Far as I can tell, kids will be rushing into the school because I'm not Lane K. (Interviews with recruits had a lot of comments like, "SC's my dream school.")

Is U.S.C. flighty or quick to fire coaches? Not as far as I can tell. My predecessor got four chances at it despite being grossly underqualified for the job. Hell, people were defending Lane and some even picked 'em as a top ten team before the season began. I'm probably not as much of a jerk as he is, so I feel good about currying goodwill.

So I think this looks like a fantastic job. Texas is probably better, but I like SC a lot.

[washingtonismoney]

[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=8494.msg69523#msg69523 date=1380501250]
[quote author=Farm93 link=topic=8494.msg69522#msg69522 date=1380500978]
I know every Under Stanford Control person thinks Under Stanford Control is the great place to be, but their opinions are exactly why I think it is a bad place for a coach with real potential.  Nothing but downside there, go anywhere else unless you really, really, really need the $$$.

Huh? SC is one of the best jobs in the country. Yeah, sure, you have demanding fans but you'll have demanding fans in any place that's worth being. Given the amount of talent, history and cash the program commands, it's a great job.
[/quote]

It will be a great job in 2016.  2014 and 2015 will be brutal.  A good HC will not want those losses on their resume.  The next coach will be fired for failing to win, best to wait for the roster to be closer to full force.

The 2014 class only has 5 solid verbals right now and no 5-stars.  The 5-stars will not be coming with all of this uncertainty.  So this impossibly small 2014 class with few blue chippers will not replace all of the departures.  2013's challenge is a short roster.  2014 will be much harder.  That is why it is not a good job for an high profile coach expecting to win day #1.  Texas will be better for those types.

2015 will be a chance for a coach to load up, but after 3 bad seasons UCLA will get the better 2015 LA recruits.  It is highly doubtful the 2015 class will feature 25 5-star recruits.  Worse yet, those 2015 recruits will need to play as true freshman in 2015 because the roster will be so depleted.  The Under Stanford Control fans will be screaming that the HC can't coach the talent, that the talent is not prepared for success, etc.  (Think Walsh II when he had his high potential frosh playing and making obvious mistakes)  Best for a real winner to come in for the 2016 season.

Under Stanford Control will be a good job, but 2014 will be a very bad year to start with the program.
[/quote]


Are things in fantastic shape? No. If they were, the job wouldn't be open. The question isn't: what's going on right now, but what can I turn it into? As we know from Carroll and even from Kiff in 2011, the amount of talent SC can amass is formidable.

Of course, you might ask, how likely am I to take it there? The cupboard is far from bare; there just aren't enough silverware there. But the pieces that are there are poorly coached; that augurs well if I think I'm a good coach (which I think I am, seeing as I'm being contacted by U.S.C.) I get to coach Nelson Agholor, Su'a Cravens, Tre Madden, Leonard Williams. Max Browne was the #1 QB recruit in the country... There are things to work with here.

UCLA? I'm worried about them? This should be near the high-water mark for Bruin recruiting and they've got 9 commits and are ranked 57th in the country, with a class that is entirely composed of wideouts and defensive backs. A challenge, sure, but far from highly concerning. Far as I can tell, kids will be rushing into the school because I'm not Lane K. (Interviews with recruits had a lot of comments like, "SC's my dream school.")

Is U.S.C. flighty or quick to fire coaches? Not as far as I can tell. My predecessor got four chances at it despite being grossly underqualified for the job. Hell, people were defending Lane and some even picked 'em as a top ten team before the season began. I'm probably not as much of a jerk as he is, so I feel good about currying goodwill.

So I think this looks like a fantastic job. Texas is probably better, but I like SC a lot.

[socalstanfan1]

I hate to say this, but i think if SC makes the right moves, the could rebound quickly. The key for SC is, IMO, to develop a QB. We don't have to look far to see what a difference good QB play can make. Just think Nunes and Hogan.  Stanford had great "chemistry," excellent work ethic, fantastic defense, but struggled mightily with teams we should have handled due to inconsistent QB play, until Hogan came on.  It sounds like Kiffin has ruined the attitude on that squad, but a decent, mature coach who doesn't behave like a snarky, entitled frat boy, will go a long way to change that (see: UCLA under Mora vs. Nieuheisel), and then SC needs just decent decision making and efficiency to be dangerous again.  I doubt it happens this year, but I think an offseason under the right head coach could turn this team around quickly.  Unfortunately.

[socalstanfan1]

I hate to say this, but i think if SC makes the right moves, the could rebound quickly. The key for SC is, IMO, to develop a QB. We don't have to look far to see what a difference good QB play can make. Just think Nunes and Hogan.  Stanford had great "chemistry," excellent work ethic, fantastic defense, but struggled mightily with teams we should have handled due to inconsistent QB play, until Hogan came on.  It sounds like Kiffin has ruined the attitude on that squad, but a decent, mature coach who doesn't behave like a snarky, entitled frat boy, will go a long way to change that (see: UCLA under Mora vs. Nieuheisel), and then SC needs just decent decision making and efficiency to be dangerous again.  I doubt it happens this year, but I think an offseason under the right head coach could turn this team around quickly.  Unfortunately.

[Farm93]

WiM,

I live in the OC.  I promise you the prevailing view is/was NC as soon as Kiff was fired.  The belief is Kiff and Daddy Kiff held back #1 USC from winning the BCS in 2012.

There really seems to be no understanding that the short roster impacts anything.  Lee was returning punts because they had 56 athletes, but down here people think Lee was in the game because Kiff was clueless.  2014 and 2015 will feature more of that pain and lack of appreciation.  USC could rise again, but few programs are in for the world of hurt USC will see in 2014.

The type of coach SC fans expect will have better options.  SC will be a good position for somebody, but not for the coaching greats SC fans think are yearning to coach at SC in 2014.

SC will settle for some lower-tier BCS AQ coach and the fans will scream because that coach will not be a proven and current BCS bowl game winner.  Just my guess, we shall see.  If SC hires a coach that has won a BCS bowl in the last 4 years I will be AMAZED, but that is the level of quality many expect will appear in December.  My guess is the desired (expected) brand name savior cruises onto the scene in 2016 after the 2014 coach is fired.

[Farm93]

WiM,

I live in the OC.  I promise you the prevailing view is/was NC as soon as Kiff was fired.  The belief is Kiff and Daddy Kiff held back #1 USC from winning the BCS in 2012.

There really seems to be no understanding that the short roster impacts anything.  Lee was returning punts because they had 56 athletes, but down here people think Lee was in the game because Kiff was clueless.  2014 and 2015 will feature more of that pain and lack of appreciation.  USC could rise again, but few programs are in for the world of hurt USC will see in 2014.

The type of coach SC fans expect will have better options.  SC will be a good position for somebody, but not for the coaching greats SC fans think are yearning to coach at SC in 2014.

SC will settle for some lower-tier BCS AQ coach and the fans will scream because that coach will not be a proven and current BCS bowl game winner.  Just my guess, we shall see.  If SC hires a coach that has won a BCS bowl in the last 4 years I will be AMAZED, but that is the level of quality many expect will appear in December.  My guess is the desired (expected) brand name savior cruises onto the scene in 2016 after the 2014 coach is fired.

[Mick]

[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=8494.msg69429#msg69429 date=1380465475]
[quote author=Publius link=topic=8495.msg69420#msg69420 date=1380461166]
The reports are that he was fired by Haden on the plane ride home.  Stone cold move.

Nope. Pulled off the team bus and fired in the airport parking lot. Left his bags on the bus, too.

Pat Haden: "Because I couldn't resist out-dicking our dick coach."
[/quote]

That reeks of desperation, in addition to utterly lacking class.
[/quote]

Man, no kidding.  Can't wait to see what kind of candidates they get, given the AD's behavior.  A good friend of mine was let go from a CXO role in a very public, very negative way by a very bad  boss.  That was 9 months ago.  There has been an active search for almost that entire time, and not only have they not filled the position, they can't even get any "A" level candidates.

[Mick]

[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=8494.msg69429#msg69429 date=1380465475]
[quote author=Publius link=topic=8495.msg69420#msg69420 date=1380461166]
The reports are that he was fired by Haden on the plane ride home.  Stone cold move.

Nope. Pulled off the team bus and fired in the airport parking lot. Left his bags on the bus, too.

Pat Haden: "Because I couldn't resist out-dicking our dick coach."
[/quote]

That reeks of desperation, in addition to utterly lacking class.
[/quote]

Man, no kidding.  Can't wait to see what kind of candidates they get, given the AD's behavior.  A good friend of mine was let go from a CXO role in a very public, very negative way by a very bad  boss.  That was 9 months ago.  There has been an active search for almost that entire time, and not only have they not filled the position, they can't even get any "A" level candidates.

[Redrum]

USC already used the " help us through the bad times and we'll reward you when the good times return."  The justifiable sacking of Lane Kiffin proves that the "bad times loyalty and leeway" promise is a manufactured delusion. Simply bait.  The coach will get slack as long as he's turning in minimum 10-2 seasons.    So, having witnessed USC ****ing in their own nest, what coach would buy that?  That leaves a pool of : 1) The out of work.  2) The delusionally ambitious  3) The available  4) The rare guy whose ability really does exceed his current resume.  And even the fourth type will constantly have to be protecting his flank against supporters who think he's not worthy of their stumbling program.  A dream job for sure.

[Redrum]

USC already used the " help us through the bad times and we'll reward you when the good times return."  The justifiable sacking of Lane Kiffin proves that the "bad times loyalty and leeway" promise is a manufactured delusion. Simply bait.  The coach will get slack as long as he's turning in minimum 10-2 seasons.    So, having witnessed USC ****ing in their own nest, what coach would buy that?  That leaves a pool of : 1) The out of work.  2) The delusionally ambitious  3) The available  4) The rare guy whose ability really does exceed his current resume.  And even the fourth type will constantly have to be protecting his flank against supporters who think he's not worthy of their stumbling program.  A dream job for sure.

[FarmBoy]

I read somewhere that 'SC only has 56 scholarship players right now (including Lee who will be watching from the couch. I think the fans have unreasonable expectations of what this team can do. The sanctions were handed down back in 2010, but it's only now that they're having their full impact. 'SC has a lot longer way to drop before it comes out of this.

[FarmBoy]

I read somewhere that 'SC only has 56 scholarship players right now (including Lee who will be watching from the couch. I think the fans have unreasonable expectations of what this team can do. The sanctions were handed down back in 2010, but it's only now that they're having their full impact. 'SC has a lot longer way to drop before it comes out of this.

[Bruce Wang]

Haden was trying to do the smart thing: bide time until the sanctions lifted to hire a better coach.  Now $outhernCal's stupid fans and boosters forced his hand by turning the Fire Kif chants to Fire Haden chants.  They will get what they deserve.

BTW given that Kif's a pathetic figure rather than an evil one, shouldn't we remove the auto-correct on his name?  Instead, we need to find one for Orgeron...

[Bruce Wang]

Haden was trying to do the smart thing: bide time until the sanctions lifted to hire a better coach.  Now $outhernCal's stupid fans and boosters forced his hand by turning the Fire Kif chants to Fire Haden chants.  They will get what they deserve.

BTW given that Kif's a pathetic figure rather than an evil one, shouldn't we remove the auto-correct on his name?  Instead, we need to find one for Orgeron...

[Bruce Wang]

First nomination: Hummer Salesman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX7wzhMvbzo

[Bruce Wang]

First nomination: Hummer Salesman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX7wzhMvbzo

[Farm93]

56 was the number of players.  Of course it gets worse with injuries.  Lee and Craven were both hurt during the game.  The available number will likely drift below 50 by the time Nov 16th comes along.  SC will get to add 19 (15 + 4 early) with this class, but right now they don't have 19.  Any 19 are going to carry a 3-star average at best.  The number exiting will likely exceed 19, and their recruiting rating average will be 4+.  (Both the 2009 & 2010 classes had 4 star averages)  So 2014 will be brutal, at least in my eyes.  And yet...

Haden said today on ESPN that he thinks a national championship is possible NEXT YEAR!!!  Way to help the next coach keep expectations reasonable.

Ironically, the "good" news with any season ending injuries would be that those players might not be able to leave for the NFL.  So oddly, Lee's injury may help USC in 2014.

Since USC needs 19 recruits and needs 4 of them to enroll at USC in January, I would guess Haden needs a name in November.  I guess his list is good because he is not doing anything to keep expectations in check.

Today I had one USC fan tell me that David Shaw is a name he was told is on the list.  That fan had no real insight, but was well connected to the USC fan rumor/wish list.

My guess is Jack Del Rio would be an excellent pick.  He is a USC alum.  He played in the NFL and coached in the NFL too.  He lost a bunch in Jacksonville, so he could handle losing in 2014.  One problem with Del Rio is that he is with the Broncos right now.  So he might not be able to leave before Denver's season is over.  That would be a big time problem for recruiting.

[Farm93]

56 was the number of players.  Of course it gets worse with injuries.  Lee and Craven were both hurt during the game.  The available number will likely drift below 50 by the time Nov 16th comes along.  SC will get to add 19 (15 + 4 early) with this class, but right now they don't have 19.  Any 19 are going to carry a 3-star average at best.  The number exiting will likely exceed 19, and their recruiting rating average will be 4+.  (Both the 2009 & 2010 classes had 4 star averages)  So 2014 will be brutal, at least in my eyes.  And yet...

Haden said today on ESPN that he thinks a national championship is possible NEXT YEAR!!!  Way to help the next coach keep expectations reasonable.

Ironically, the "good" news with any season ending injuries would be that those players might not be able to leave for the NFL.  So oddly, Lee's injury may help USC in 2014.

Since USC needs 19 recruits and needs 4 of them to enroll at USC in January, I would guess Haden needs a name in November.  I guess his list is good because he is not doing anything to keep expectations in check.

Today I had one USC fan tell me that David Shaw is a name he was told is on the list.  That fan had no real insight, but was well connected to the USC fan rumor/wish list.

My guess is Jack Del Rio would be an excellent pick.  He is a USC alum.  He played in the NFL and coached in the NFL too.  He lost a bunch in Jacksonville, so he could handle losing in 2014.  One problem with Del Rio is that he is with the Broncos right now.  So he might not be able to leave before Denver's season is over.  That would be a big time problem for recruiting.

[washingtonismoney]

Jack Del Rio is indeed an excellent pick -- for the rest of the Pac-12.

[washingtonismoney]

Jack Del Rio is indeed an excellent pick -- for the rest of the Pac-12.

[Bruce Wang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...UqV1o128iA

[Bruce Wang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...UqV1o128iA

[Farm93]

Jack Del Rio is indeed an excellent pick -- for the rest of the Pac-12.

I agree, but he is probably the best Haden will be able to get on the quick.  Haden needs a name ASAP because it is not good enough to hold on to their 5 recruits, they need 19 just to keep their depleted roster at these low numbers.  He needs someone by November.

Haden needs a brand name coach with NFL experience and someone with USC ties so he can quickly step in and recruit for 2014 and 2015.  That seems like Del Rio.  Are there any other available USC football alums that have done anything in coaching?

[Farm93]

Jack Del Rio is indeed an excellent pick -- for the rest of the Pac-12.

I agree, but he is probably the best Haden will be able to get on the quick.  Haden needs a name ASAP because it is not good enough to hold on to their 5 recruits, they need 19 just to keep their depleted roster at these low numbers.  He needs someone by November.

Haden needs a brand name coach with NFL experience and someone with USC ties so he can quickly step in and recruit for 2014 and 2015.  That seems like Del Rio.  Are there any other available USC football alums that have done anything in coaching?

[Bruce Wang]

Jack Del Rio is indeed an excellent pick -- for the rest of the Pac-12.

WIM, what's your reasoning here?  Bad NFL coach worked for them before and is working for their cross-town rivals.  Don't know much about him, but my Denver peeps are worried about losing him to Troy.

[Bruce Wang]

Jack Del Rio is indeed an excellent pick -- for the rest of the Pac-12.

WIM, what's your reasoning here?  Bad NFL coach worked for them before and is working for their cross-town rivals.  Don't know much about him, but my Denver peeps are worried about losing him to Troy.

[washingtonismoney]

WIM, what's your reasoning here?  Bad NFL coach worked for them before and is working for their cross-town rivals.  Don't know much about him, but my Denver peeps are worried about losing him to Troy.

First of all, I'd dispute bad NFL coach worked for them. Pete Carroll is actually a good NFL coach, as Richard Sherman would be happy to tell you, at long length, over and over again. But even granting the premise the track record is not fantastic. After all, dearly departed Lane was ALSO a bad NFL coach. As was Bill Callahan at Nebraska... I would say the record of getting coaches slumming from the NFL is more bad than good. Even granting the Peter Principle, why go perverse and hire someone who was bad at his last head job? Doesn't make much sense. Del Rio has rarely coached against college schemes, hasn't coached college kids and has never recruited. Why not hire someone...who's coached against college schemes, coached college kids, and has recruited (preferably all well)? It's a crazy idea, but I promise you it works.

I agree, but he is probably the best Haden will be able to get on the quick.  Haden needs a name ASAP ...

Your premise is goofy. Not only would Del Rio not be available quickly (he has a job), but Haden doesn't need anyone quickly either. Firing Kiffin has enhanced SC's position among recruits, not detracted from it. A four-star DE moved SC to his top three specifically because they fired Kiff.

I really hope Haden restricts himself to former SC alums. Such restrictions are always the sign of a dumb search.

[washingtonismoney]

WIM, what's your reasoning here?  Bad NFL coach worked for them before and is working for their cross-town rivals.  Don't know much about him, but my Denver peeps are worried about losing him to Troy.

First of all, I'd dispute bad NFL coach worked for them. Pete Carroll is actually a good NFL coach, as Richard Sherman would be happy to tell you, at long length, over and over again. But even granting the premise the track record is not fantastic. After all, dearly departed Lane was ALSO a bad NFL coach. As was Bill Callahan at Nebraska... I would say the record of getting coaches slumming from the NFL is more bad than good. Even granting the Peter Principle, why go perverse and hire someone who was bad at his last head job? Doesn't make much sense. Del Rio has rarely coached against college schemes, hasn't coached college kids and has never recruited. Why not hire someone...who's coached against college schemes, coached college kids, and has recruited (preferably all well)? It's a crazy idea, but I promise you it works.

I agree, but he is probably the best Haden will be able to get on the quick.  Haden needs a name ASAP ...

Your premise is goofy. Not only would Del Rio not be available quickly (he has a job), but Haden doesn't need anyone quickly either. Firing Kiffin has enhanced SC's position among recruits, not detracted from it. A four-star DE moved SC to his top three specifically because they fired Kiff.

I really hope Haden restricts himself to former SC alums. Such restrictions are always the sign of a dumb search.

[CompSci87]

we need to find one for Orgeron...

I suppose Ogron would look too much like a misspelling.

[CompSci87]

we need to find one for Orgeron...

I suppose Ogron would look too much like a misspelling.

[george]

I suppose Ogron would look too much like a misspelling.

Oh sweet... Are we finally going to n3rd out on Doctor Who?  Ten years of not being able to contribute anything on discussions on the civil war, writers vs. editors, or Dana vs. Uma has taken its toll.  I've taken so much from this community and given precious little in return.  But if we're going to go full Whovian than I might even be able to convince my wife to join our ranks.

And for the record, if we were going to assign Ed Orgeron a Doctor Who alien I think we'd have to go w/ the Sontarans:

[george]

I suppose Ogron would look too much like a misspelling.

Oh sweet... Are we finally going to n3rd out on Doctor Who?  Ten years of not being able to contribute anything on discussions on the civil war, writers vs. editors, or Dana vs. Uma has taken its toll.  I've taken so much from this community and given precious little in return.  But if we're going to go full Whovian than I might even be able to convince my wife to join our ranks.

And for the record, if we were going to assign Ed Orgeron a Doctor Who alien I think we'd have to go w/ the Sontarans:

[Bruce Wang]

First of all, I'd dispute bad NFL coach worked for them. Pete Carroll is actually a good NFL coach, as Richard Sherman would be happy to tell you, at long length, over and over again. 

When I first moved here, Belichick was already the coach so I can't opine from direct observation.  The consensus opinion in New England is that Pete Carroll was an awful coach.  He's despised here because he supposedly inherited a team with Super Bowl talent.  He's having success in the NFL now so maybe he became a better coach.  Note that Seattle is stacked with talent including super stars (Wilson and Sherman) at normally very pricey positions that are under cheap rookie contracts.  He does credit for drafting them.

[Bruce Wang]

First of all, I'd dispute bad NFL coach worked for them. Pete Carroll is actually a good NFL coach, as Richard Sherman would be happy to tell you, at long length, over and over again. 

When I first moved here, Belichick was already the coach so I can't opine from direct observation.  The consensus opinion in New England is that Pete Carroll was an awful coach.  He's despised here because he supposedly inherited a team with Super Bowl talent.  He's having success in the NFL now so maybe he became a better coach.  Note that Seattle is stacked with talent including super stars (Wilson and Sherman) at normally very pricey positions that are under cheap rookie contracts.  He does credit for drafting them.

[stupac2]

When I first moved here, Belichick was already the coach so I can't opine from direct observation.  The consensus opinion in New England is that Pete Carroll was an awful coach.  He's despised here because he supposedly inherited a team with Super Bowl talent.  He's having success in the NFL now so maybe he became a better coach.  Note that Seattle is stacked with talent including super stars (Wilson and Sherman) at normally very pricey positions that are under cheap rookie contracts.  He does credit for drafting them.

Does he? Doesn't the GM usually run the draft? Granted they always collaborate, but I think with most teams it's the GM's call.

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When I first moved here, Belichick was already the coach so I can't opine from direct observation.  The consensus opinion in New England is that Pete Carroll was an awful coach.  He's despised here because he supposedly inherited a team with Super Bowl talent.  He's having success in the NFL now so maybe he became a better coach.  Note that Seattle is stacked with talent including super stars (Wilson and Sherman) at normally very pricey positions that are under cheap rookie contracts.  He does credit for drafting them.

Does he? Doesn't the GM usually run the draft? Granted they always collaborate, but I think with most teams it's the GM's call.