05-29-2025, 09:55 AM
the two home games are 7:30pm PT
- Sept 13 vs BC
- Oct 18 vs FSU (reunion weekend)
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- Sept 13 vs BC
- Oct 18 vs FSU (reunion weekend)
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
four kick-off times announced
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
05-29-2025, 11:11 AM
I'm guessing that BC and FSU fans/players will not be thrilled with their kickoff times.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
I'm guessing that BC and FSU fans/players will not be thrilled with their kickoff times.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
05-29-2025, 11:17 AM
(05-29-2025, 11:11 AM)Papa John Wrote: I'm guessing that BC and FSU fans/players will not be thrilled with their kickoff times.
BC fans should appreciate the evening kickoff. They get to avoid a day game in September in Stanford Stadium (aka, the Big Wok).
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
(05-29-2025, 11:11 AM)Papa John Wrote: I'm guessing that BC and FSU fans/players will not be thrilled with their kickoff times.
BC fans should appreciate the evening kickoff. They get to avoid a day game in September in Stanford Stadium (aka, the Big Wok).
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
05-29-2025, 11:51 AM
(05-29-2025, 11:17 AM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:(05-29-2025, 11:11 AM)Papa John Wrote: I'm guessing that BC and FSU fans/players will not be thrilled with their kickoff times.BC fans should appreciate the evening kickoff. They get to avoid a day game in September in Stanford Stadium (aka, the Big Wok).
True, but I think the vast majority of BC fans watching the game will not be inside Stanford Stadium and will be situated well to the east of the Pacific time zone. Meanwhile, the players will be competing from 10:30 pm to 2 am body-clock time.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
(05-29-2025, 11:17 AM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:(05-29-2025, 11:11 AM)Papa John Wrote: I'm guessing that BC and FSU fans/players will not be thrilled with their kickoff times.BC fans should appreciate the evening kickoff. They get to avoid a day game in September in Stanford Stadium (aka, the Big Wok).
True, but I think the vast majority of BC fans watching the game will not be inside Stanford Stadium and will be situated well to the east of the Pacific time zone. Meanwhile, the players will be competing from 10:30 pm to 2 am body-clock time.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
In my view, the best kickoff time for Stanford games in September/October is around 5:00 or 5:30 pm. That gives you lots of good tailgating time. It's not too hot in the stadium during the game. And the end of the game is not too late for kids, old people, and people who have long drives to get home.
This year, we have only 3 home games in September/October. Two of them have kickoffs at 7:30 (the third kickoff time is still to be determined). That's too late to be ideal, IMO. But it's better than an early afternoon kickoff in the heat.
It also doesn't sound ideal to sit in the tropical sun in the middle of the afternoon for 3-4 hours in Honolulu. But I'm willing to give it a shot!
This year, we have only 3 home games in September/October. Two of them have kickoffs at 7:30 (the third kickoff time is still to be determined). That's too late to be ideal, IMO. But it's better than an early afternoon kickoff in the heat.
It also doesn't sound ideal to sit in the tropical sun in the middle of the afternoon for 3-4 hours in Honolulu. But I'm willing to give it a shot!
In my view, the best kickoff time for Stanford games in September/October is around 5:00 or 5:30 pm. That gives you lots of good tailgating time. It's not too hot in the stadium during the game. And the end of the game is not too late for kids, old people, and people who have long drives to get home.
This year, we have only 3 home games in September/October. Two of them have kickoffs at 7:30 (the third kickoff time is still to be determined). That's too late to be ideal, IMO. But it's better than an early afternoon kickoff in the heat.
It also doesn't sound ideal to sit in the tropical sun in the middle of the afternoon for 3-4 hours in Honolulu. But I'm willing to give it a shot!
This year, we have only 3 home games in September/October. Two of them have kickoffs at 7:30 (the third kickoff time is still to be determined). That's too late to be ideal, IMO. But it's better than an early afternoon kickoff in the heat.
It also doesn't sound ideal to sit in the tropical sun in the middle of the afternoon for 3-4 hours in Honolulu. But I'm willing to give it a shot!
05-29-2025, 02:52 PM
Since I don't attend Stanford home games in person, I am more interested in excessive advantages for the home or road team. I oppose 9 am PT away games for Stanford on the East Coast *and* 7:30 pm PT home games for Stanford for East Coast opponents. So I have no objection if the SJSU game kicks off at 7:30 pm.
On the other hand, I don't have data to back up my assertion, just anecdotes and assumptions. Anecdotes: Decent to very good Stanford teams lost at Wake Forest in 2009 and at Northwestern in 2015 (both 9 am PT kickoffs). Assumption: I can't think of a bad Stanford team beating a visiting East Coast team in a night game because we've played very few home games vs East Coast teams until last year (the Louisville game kicked off in the early afernoon). But the disadvantage to the East Coast team makes sense to me.
On the other hand, I don't have data to back up my assertion, just anecdotes and assumptions. Anecdotes: Decent to very good Stanford teams lost at Wake Forest in 2009 and at Northwestern in 2015 (both 9 am PT kickoffs). Assumption: I can't think of a bad Stanford team beating a visiting East Coast team in a night game because we've played very few home games vs East Coast teams until last year (the Louisville game kicked off in the early afernoon). But the disadvantage to the East Coast team makes sense to me.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
Since I don't attend Stanford home games in person, I am more interested in excessive advantages for the home or road team. I oppose 9 am PT away games for Stanford on the East Coast *and* 7:30 pm PT home games for Stanford for East Coast opponents. So I have no objection if the SJSU game kicks off at 7:30 pm.
On the other hand, I don't have data to back up my assertion, just anecdotes and assumptions. Anecdotes: Decent to very good Stanford teams lost at Wake Forest in 2009 and at Northwestern in 2015 (both 9 am PT kickoffs). Assumption: I can't think of a bad Stanford team beating a visiting East Coast team in a night game because we've played very few home games vs East Coast teams until last year (the Louisville game kicked off in the early afernoon). But the disadvantage to the East Coast team makes sense to me.
On the other hand, I don't have data to back up my assertion, just anecdotes and assumptions. Anecdotes: Decent to very good Stanford teams lost at Wake Forest in 2009 and at Northwestern in 2015 (both 9 am PT kickoffs). Assumption: I can't think of a bad Stanford team beating a visiting East Coast team in a night game because we've played very few home games vs East Coast teams until last year (the Louisville game kicked off in the early afernoon). But the disadvantage to the East Coast team makes sense to me.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
05-29-2025, 03:06 PM
(05-29-2025, 02:52 PM)Papa John Wrote: Since I don't attend Stanford home games in person, I am more interested in excessive advantages for the home or road team. I oppose 9 am PT away games for Stanford on the East Coast *and* 7:30 pm PT home games for Stanford for East Coast opponents. So I have no objection if the SJSU game kicks off at 7:30 pm.
On the other hand, I don't have data to back up my assertion, just anecdotes and assumptions. Anecdotes: Decent to very good Stanford teams lost at Wake Forest in 2009 and at Northwestern in 2015 (both 9 am PT kickoffs). Assumption: I can't think of a bad Stanford team beating a visiting East Coast team in a night game because we've played very few home games vs East Coast teams until last year (the Louisville game kicked off in the early afernoon). But the disadvantage to the East Coast team makes sense to me.
I think there is adequate data out there, particularly using NFL MNF results where there is a lot more parity than in college football, to show there is a body clock advantage for a CA time hosting an east coast team for a 7:30 PM kickoff, similar to CA teams playing at 9 AM PT. We did play Wake Forest at home back in 2010 with an 8 PM local kickoff and absolutely demolished them. Probably would have happened regardless of kickoff time, but perhaps the late kick added to the final margin.
(05-29-2025, 02:52 PM)Papa John Wrote: Since I don't attend Stanford home games in person, I am more interested in excessive advantages for the home or road team. I oppose 9 am PT away games for Stanford on the East Coast *and* 7:30 pm PT home games for Stanford for East Coast opponents. So I have no objection if the SJSU game kicks off at 7:30 pm.
On the other hand, I don't have data to back up my assertion, just anecdotes and assumptions. Anecdotes: Decent to very good Stanford teams lost at Wake Forest in 2009 and at Northwestern in 2015 (both 9 am PT kickoffs). Assumption: I can't think of a bad Stanford team beating a visiting East Coast team in a night game because we've played very few home games vs East Coast teams until last year (the Louisville game kicked off in the early afernoon). But the disadvantage to the East Coast team makes sense to me.
I think there is adequate data out there, particularly using NFL MNF results where there is a lot more parity than in college football, to show there is a body clock advantage for a CA time hosting an east coast team for a 7:30 PM kickoff, similar to CA teams playing at 9 AM PT. We did play Wake Forest at home back in 2010 with an 8 PM local kickoff and absolutely demolished them. Probably would have happened regardless of kickoff time, but perhaps the late kick added to the final margin.
05-29-2025, 05:36 PM
(05-29-2025, 05:19 PM)chrisk Wrote: The sun will have set in Hawaii more than a half hour before the game starts.I must be missing something but the Hawaii game appears to start at 4:30 Pacific, 1:30 local in Hawaii. As near as I can tell, the sun will be quite visible both in the Bay Area as well as (even more so) in Hawaii. It will also be way too early to claim the sun has set on Stanford football even before the first game is played.
(05-29-2025, 05:19 PM)chrisk Wrote: The sun will have set in Hawaii more than a half hour before the game starts.I must be missing something but the Hawaii game appears to start at 4:30 Pacific, 1:30 local in Hawaii. As near as I can tell, the sun will be quite visible both in the Bay Area as well as (even more so) in Hawaii. It will also be way too early to claim the sun has set on Stanford football even before the first game is played.
05-29-2025, 05:41 PM
(05-29-2025, 02:16 PM)terry Wrote: In my view, the best kickoff time for Stanford games in September/October is around 5:00 or 5:30 pm. That gives you lots of good tailgating time. It's not too hot in the stadium during the game. And the end of the game is not too late for kids, old people, and people who have long drives to get home.
This year, we have only 3 home games in September/October. Two of them have kickoffs at 7:30 (the third kickoff time is still to be determined). That's too late to be ideal, IMO. But it's better than an early afternoon kickoff in the heat.
It also doesn't sound ideal to sit in the tropical sun in the middle of the afternoon for 3-4 hours in Honolulu. But I'm willing to give it a shot!
As you no doubt know, kickoff times are not determined based on the best time for fans attending the game or to give the home team an advantage or even to benefit fans who want to watch on TV. It is all a ploy to maximize the amount of inventory throughout the day so as to sell as many ads as possible.
BC
(05-29-2025, 02:16 PM)terry Wrote: In my view, the best kickoff time for Stanford games in September/October is around 5:00 or 5:30 pm. That gives you lots of good tailgating time. It's not too hot in the stadium during the game. And the end of the game is not too late for kids, old people, and people who have long drives to get home.
This year, we have only 3 home games in September/October. Two of them have kickoffs at 7:30 (the third kickoff time is still to be determined). That's too late to be ideal, IMO. But it's better than an early afternoon kickoff in the heat.
It also doesn't sound ideal to sit in the tropical sun in the middle of the afternoon for 3-4 hours in Honolulu. But I'm willing to give it a shot!
As you no doubt know, kickoff times are not determined based on the best time for fans attending the game or to give the home team an advantage or even to benefit fans who want to watch on TV. It is all a ploy to maximize the amount of inventory throughout the day so as to sell as many ads as possible.
BC
05-29-2025, 06:04 PM
(05-29-2025, 05:41 PM)BostonCard Wrote: As you no doubt know, kickoff times are not determined based on the best time for fans attending the game or to give the home team an advantage or even to benefit fans who want to watch on TV. It is all a ploy to maximize the amount of inventory throughout the day so as to sell as many ads as possible.That's the beauty of it. The people who bought the adds have to pay whether there is anybody watching or not. I am waiting for the starting times at midnight to capture the insomniac population. It is a demographic that is not yet optimally "reached" with advertising. Why surrender the early morning market to the competition?
BC
(05-29-2025, 05:41 PM)BostonCard Wrote: As you no doubt know, kickoff times are not determined based on the best time for fans attending the game or to give the home team an advantage or even to benefit fans who want to watch on TV. It is all a ploy to maximize the amount of inventory throughout the day so as to sell as many ads as possible.That's the beauty of it. The people who bought the adds have to pay whether there is anybody watching or not. I am waiting for the starting times at midnight to capture the insomniac population. It is a demographic that is not yet optimally "reached" with advertising. Why surrender the early morning market to the competition?
BC
05-30-2025, 02:27 PM
(05-29-2025, 05:41 PM)BostonCard Wrote: As you no doubt know, kickoff times are not determined based on the best time for fans attending the game or to give the home team an advantage or even to benefit fans who want to watch on TV. It is all a ploy to maximize the amount of inventory throughout the day so as to sell as many ads as possible.
Of course I know that, but why let facts get in the way of my feelings? ;-)
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
(05-29-2025, 05:41 PM)BostonCard Wrote: As you no doubt know, kickoff times are not determined based on the best time for fans attending the game or to give the home team an advantage or even to benefit fans who want to watch on TV. It is all a ploy to maximize the amount of inventory throughout the day so as to sell as many ads as possible.
Of course I know that, but why let facts get in the way of my feelings? ;-)
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
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