Outside Topic Harbaugh gonzo
01-24-2024, 06:25 PM
(01-24-2024, 06:02 PM)Bampa Wrote: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/charg...nal-title/Accomplished the goal, and then bye-bye.
Michigan wanted to win a national title with a Michigan Man. And that's what they got.
He will always be able to return to Ann Arbor as the coach that left the NFL realm to return to Ann Arbor to get them a title.
Nothing but downside, for him, if he stayed longer.
And he can't win a Super Bowl, like his brother, if he stayed at Michigan.
(01-24-2024, 06:02 PM)Bampa Wrote: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/charg...nal-title/Accomplished the goal, and then bye-bye.
Michigan wanted to win a national title with a Michigan Man. And that's what they got.
He will always be able to return to Ann Arbor as the coach that left the NFL realm to return to Ann Arbor to get them a title.
Nothing but downside, for him, if he stayed longer.
And he can't win a Super Bowl, like his brother, if he stayed at Michigan.
01-24-2024, 08:35 PM
(01-24-2024, 06:02 PM)Bampa Wrote: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/charg...nal-title/
It says Shaw was one of 3 candidates interviewed in person, out of 15 total.
(01-24-2024, 06:02 PM)Bampa Wrote: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/charg...nal-title/
It says Shaw was one of 3 candidates interviewed in person, out of 15 total.
01-24-2024, 08:45 PM
(01-24-2024, 08:35 PM)chrisk Wrote:(01-24-2024, 06:02 PM)Bampa Wrote: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/charg...nal-title/
It says Shaw was one of 3 candidates interviewed in person, out of 15 total.
Well, it cites the Rooney Rule. I guess that's why in person?
(01-24-2024, 08:35 PM)chrisk Wrote:(01-24-2024, 06:02 PM)Bampa Wrote: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/charg...nal-title/
It says Shaw was one of 3 candidates interviewed in person, out of 15 total.
Well, it cites the Rooney Rule. I guess that's why in person?
https://theathletic.com/5222883/2024/01/...-chargers/
Paywall, but IMO a very good summary. This is just about the best possible way for things to end at Michigan for JH. Staying around for the NCAA messes to be resolved could only tarnish his "legacy" (such as it is). The quote from the article that sums it up IMO is as follows:
Paywall, but IMO a very good summary. This is just about the best possible way for things to end at Michigan for JH. Staying around for the NCAA messes to be resolved could only tarnish his "legacy" (such as it is). The quote from the article that sums it up IMO is as follows:
Quote:It may strike some as ironic that a coach ensnared in two NCAA investigations could be described as a voice of moral clarity on anything. That’s part of the contradiction with Harbaugh: He comes across as both immensely principled and willing to do almost anything to win. He follows his own compass, which sometimes points in strange directions. But when everyone is willing to get behind him, he can lead a team to glory.I would augment the above by not confining it to just "moral" compass. JH's compass on just about anything sometimes points in strange directions, but sometimes, either because of or in spite of that, it leads to success.
https://theathletic.com/5222883/2024/01/...-chargers/
Paywall, but IMO a very good summary. This is just about the best possible way for things to end at Michigan for JH. Staying around for the NCAA messes to be resolved could only tarnish his "legacy" (such as it is). The quote from the article that sums it up IMO is as follows:
Paywall, but IMO a very good summary. This is just about the best possible way for things to end at Michigan for JH. Staying around for the NCAA messes to be resolved could only tarnish his "legacy" (such as it is). The quote from the article that sums it up IMO is as follows:
Quote:It may strike some as ironic that a coach ensnared in two NCAA investigations could be described as a voice of moral clarity on anything. That’s part of the contradiction with Harbaugh: He comes across as both immensely principled and willing to do almost anything to win. He follows his own compass, which sometimes points in strange directions. But when everyone is willing to get behind him, he can lead a team to glory.I would augment the above by not confining it to just "moral" compass. JH's compass on just about anything sometimes points in strange directions, but sometimes, either because of or in spite of that, it leads to success.
01-26-2024, 10:01 AM
I've followed Stanford Football for 64 seasons. For me, three coaches stand out in highest relief. Ralston, Walsh 1 and Harbaugh. Period.
Life is too short to waste on crap football.
02-03-2024, 10:30 AM
Would JH have left Michigan if there were no NCAA investigation pending? Did the administration at Michigan want him to leave? IMO these unanswerable questions are "interesting". JH had reached the apex of college football, a national championship. Next year, if he remained at Michigan, he would have to start that grind all over. Next year, it may not end so well. How much did the opportunity to "go out on top" play in the decision?
IMO the NCAA investigation played a major role. It can still damage his "legacy" at Michigan, but by leaving he removed any possibility of a public "mea culpa" being required. That is a "big deal" as I read it. There was also an undercurrent of opinion that wanted him out. That might not have mattered much in the afterglow of the national championship, but if JH lost a few games, it would return like malaria. Good reasons to leave.
JH undoubtedly does want to win a Super Bowl. He is correct that at 60 years old the grains of sand in the hourglass are limited. He also got an offer from a franchise that has both money and players. While much is expected of him, he has a big enough ego to believe he can deliver. His brother's example should give him some pause, as it shows that even consensus "good" coaches can struggle to win the Super Bowl. However, worst case JH will make lots more money, not have to recruit, and at a minimum have several (3 at least) years before he could be on "the hot seat". That beats the heck out of having to publicly admit you lied to the NCAA. Pretty clear why leaving Ann Arbor was a good idea.
IMO the NCAA investigation played a major role. It can still damage his "legacy" at Michigan, but by leaving he removed any possibility of a public "mea culpa" being required. That is a "big deal" as I read it. There was also an undercurrent of opinion that wanted him out. That might not have mattered much in the afterglow of the national championship, but if JH lost a few games, it would return like malaria. Good reasons to leave.
JH undoubtedly does want to win a Super Bowl. He is correct that at 60 years old the grains of sand in the hourglass are limited. He also got an offer from a franchise that has both money and players. While much is expected of him, he has a big enough ego to believe he can deliver. His brother's example should give him some pause, as it shows that even consensus "good" coaches can struggle to win the Super Bowl. However, worst case JH will make lots more money, not have to recruit, and at a minimum have several (3 at least) years before he could be on "the hot seat". That beats the heck out of having to publicly admit you lied to the NCAA. Pretty clear why leaving Ann Arbor was a good idea.
Would JH have left Michigan if there were no NCAA investigation pending? Did the administration at Michigan want him to leave? IMO these unanswerable questions are "interesting". JH had reached the apex of college football, a national championship. Next year, if he remained at Michigan, he would have to start that grind all over. Next year, it may not end so well. How much did the opportunity to "go out on top" play in the decision?
IMO the NCAA investigation played a major role. It can still damage his "legacy" at Michigan, but by leaving he removed any possibility of a public "mea culpa" being required. That is a "big deal" as I read it. There was also an undercurrent of opinion that wanted him out. That might not have mattered much in the afterglow of the national championship, but if JH lost a few games, it would return like malaria. Good reasons to leave.
JH undoubtedly does want to win a Super Bowl. He is correct that at 60 years old the grains of sand in the hourglass are limited. He also got an offer from a franchise that has both money and players. While much is expected of him, he has a big enough ego to believe he can deliver. His brother's example should give him some pause, as it shows that even consensus "good" coaches can struggle to win the Super Bowl. However, worst case JH will make lots more money, not have to recruit, and at a minimum have several (3 at least) years before he could be on "the hot seat". That beats the heck out of having to publicly admit you lied to the NCAA. Pretty clear why leaving Ann Arbor was a good idea.
IMO the NCAA investigation played a major role. It can still damage his "legacy" at Michigan, but by leaving he removed any possibility of a public "mea culpa" being required. That is a "big deal" as I read it. There was also an undercurrent of opinion that wanted him out. That might not have mattered much in the afterglow of the national championship, but if JH lost a few games, it would return like malaria. Good reasons to leave.
JH undoubtedly does want to win a Super Bowl. He is correct that at 60 years old the grains of sand in the hourglass are limited. He also got an offer from a franchise that has both money and players. While much is expected of him, he has a big enough ego to believe he can deliver. His brother's example should give him some pause, as it shows that even consensus "good" coaches can struggle to win the Super Bowl. However, worst case JH will make lots more money, not have to recruit, and at a minimum have several (3 at least) years before he could be on "the hot seat". That beats the heck out of having to publicly admit you lied to the NCAA. Pretty clear why leaving Ann Arbor was a good idea.
(01-26-2024, 10:01 AM)gailtate Wrote: I've followed Stanford Football for 64 seasons. For me, three coaches stand out in highest relief. Ralston, Walsh 1 and Harbaugh. Period.
Assuming you meant regard. I’d add Denny Green.
I’ll always appreciate the good Shaw years. Which, of course, were the best years record wise in our long history of watching Stanford football. Obviously, it ended very very badly to say the least. And I’m not trying to dredge up the argument. I think everyone’s sick of it. But I do have that appreciation
(02-03-2024, 10:30 AM)Goose Wrote: Would JH have left Michigan if there were no NCAA investigation pending? Did the administration at Michigan want him to leave? IMO these unanswerable questions are "interesting". JH had reached the apex of college football, a national championship. Next year, if he remained at Michigan, he would have to start that grind all over. Next year, it may not end so well. How much did the opportunity to "go out on top" play in the decision?
IMO the NCAA investigation played a major role. It can still damage his "legacy" at Michigan, but by leaving he removed any possibility of a public "mea culpa" being required. That is a "big deal" as I read it. There was also an undercurrent of opinion that wanted him out. That might not have mattered much in the afterglow of the national championship, but if JH lost a few games, it would return like malaria. Good reasons to leave.
JH undoubtedly does want to win a Super Bowl. He is correct that at 60 years old the grains of sand in the hourglass are limited. He also got an offer from a franchise that has both money and players. While much is expected of him, he has a big enough ego to believe he can deliver. His brother's example should give him some pause, as it shows that even consensus "good" coaches can struggle to win the Super Bowl. However, worst case JH will make lots more money, not have to recruit, and at a minimum have several (3 at least) years before he could be on "the hot seat". That beats the heck out of having to publicly admit you lied to the NCAA. Pretty clear why leaving Ann Arbor was a good idea.
Who knows. Harbaugh is the ultimate fixer. But long-term? I think he’s pretty hard to handle.
(01-26-2024, 10:01 AM)gailtate Wrote: I've followed Stanford Football for 64 seasons. For me, three coaches stand out in highest relief. Ralston, Walsh 1 and Harbaugh. Period.
Assuming you meant regard. I’d add Denny Green.
I’ll always appreciate the good Shaw years. Which, of course, were the best years record wise in our long history of watching Stanford football. Obviously, it ended very very badly to say the least. And I’m not trying to dredge up the argument. I think everyone’s sick of it. But I do have that appreciation
(02-03-2024, 10:30 AM)Goose Wrote: Would JH have left Michigan if there were no NCAA investigation pending? Did the administration at Michigan want him to leave? IMO these unanswerable questions are "interesting". JH had reached the apex of college football, a national championship. Next year, if he remained at Michigan, he would have to start that grind all over. Next year, it may not end so well. How much did the opportunity to "go out on top" play in the decision?
IMO the NCAA investigation played a major role. It can still damage his "legacy" at Michigan, but by leaving he removed any possibility of a public "mea culpa" being required. That is a "big deal" as I read it. There was also an undercurrent of opinion that wanted him out. That might not have mattered much in the afterglow of the national championship, but if JH lost a few games, it would return like malaria. Good reasons to leave.
JH undoubtedly does want to win a Super Bowl. He is correct that at 60 years old the grains of sand in the hourglass are limited. He also got an offer from a franchise that has both money and players. While much is expected of him, he has a big enough ego to believe he can deliver. His brother's example should give him some pause, as it shows that even consensus "good" coaches can struggle to win the Super Bowl. However, worst case JH will make lots more money, not have to recruit, and at a minimum have several (3 at least) years before he could be on "the hot seat". That beats the heck out of having to publicly admit you lied to the NCAA. Pretty clear why leaving Ann Arbor was a good idea.
Who knows. Harbaugh is the ultimate fixer. But long-term? I think he’s pretty hard to handle.
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