05-24-2023, 08:06 AM
Judge OPS 1,052. 14 HRs. Mick, I think you judged him a bit early…. :)
(05-25-2023, 08:36 PM)Mick Wrote: Giants win, 5-0. Farhan's Folly, Michael Conforto goes 4 /4 with a walk and his team leading 11th home run. He's dragged his average up to .239 and his OPS to .810. Our two rookies had consecutive, two-out doubles. Alexander, both Rogers brothers, Junis, Manaea and Brebbia gabve up four hits and two walks in nine innings, with 13 strikeouts.
They're now 25-25, and 3-1 on a road trip. Looking pretty good...can't wait to see Slater come back.
Also, Carlos Correa has missed the past two games because of a left foot injury. The Twins have described it at various times as:
- Heel bruise
- Plantar fasciitis
- Muscle strain on the arch
I think the Giants have goooooood medical evaluative staff.
(05-25-2023, 08:36 PM)Mick Wrote: Giants win, 5-0. Farhan's Folly, Michael Conforto goes 4 /4 with a walk and his team leading 11th home run. He's dragged his average up to .239 and his OPS to .810. Our two rookies had consecutive, two-out doubles. Alexander, both Rogers brothers, Junis, Manaea and Brebbia gabve up four hits and two walks in nine innings, with 13 strikeouts.
They're now 25-25, and 3-1 on a road trip. Looking pretty good...can't wait to see Slater come back.
Also, Carlos Correa has missed the past two games because of a left foot injury. The Twins have described it at various times as:
- Heel bruise
- Plantar fasciitis
- Muscle strain on the arch
I think the Giants have goooooood medical evaluative staff.
(12-22-2022, 09:29 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: OK, now that the disaster has happened, it's now time to peel away the layers of this rotten onion and learn WTF REALLY happened. This is the story of the lifetimes of Giants reporters. Let's see who comes up with the full monty based on adroit reporting inside the organization, because it's gonna be a doozy. Before that happens, let's pose some questions that need to be answered and engage in some commentary about them.
Who made the call to nix the Correa contract?
It seems highly doubtful that Farhan Zaidi would be the one to balk at the deal based on results of this physical. Maybe he did, but it seems Farr more likely someone in ownership was responsible. It's dubious to me that Farhan would go to Greg Johnson and say "uh, boss, we found something a little concerning with the Correa physical, and I'm not so sure it makes sense to go forward on the contract now." It seems a lot more likely that Farhan would have said they found something, told Greg Johnson, and he said "that sounds too risky, we need to renegotiate." The other possible reality that would be kind of the worse case scenario, is Greg Johnson has a "mole" checking around Zaidi's actions, and the mole, not Farhan, brought the medical concern to the attention of Greg Johnson, and Johnson told Farhan to cancel the presser, etc. If it wasn't Farhan's call, and he didn't think the issue was that big of a deal or could be managed, he should resign.
HOW could the Giants not have done due diligence on Correa before agreeing to terms?
It's been reported that the Twins knew of the Correa physical issue and offered him more AAV than the Giants. Aside from anything else, the Giants should have known what the Correa concern was before they negotiated terms of a deal with Boras. Nobody with any wisdom would negotiate the largest contract in organization history without knowing before negotiations start that they know whatever they need to know to move forward. Just like you don't make an offer to buy a company until after due diligence, you don't make the biggest free agent contract offer in franchise history without without doing it. The Giants have plenty of owners who know M&A basics. Someone needs to get to the bottom of why they didn't do it with Correa.
How can the Giants square being afraid with the Mets and Twins being OK with paying Correa almost the same?
Everyone has different risk tolerance, but both the Mets and Twins were OK with signing Correa to a long term contract. It would be a bigger gamble for the Twins given they aren't nearly as rich as the Giants. The "he's been in the IL 7 times in 8 years" concern is a red herring to me. Every player can get injured and miss time. And FFS, a guy like Evan Longoria was on the IL what, 4-5 times in 2022 alone? Unless Correa misses months at a time with an injury related to whatever caused concern in the physical, the Giants will look even more foolish than they do just allowing this debacle to happen in the first place. And like was pointed out in the Chronicle on Dec. 21, the Mets balked on a contract with a player who had a concerning MRI JUST LAST YEAR.
How can the team possibly gain back the trust of fans?
The Grant Brisbee column on this pratfall has about 600 comments in less than 24 hours. I can assure you most of them are not flattering to the Giants. The most liked comment (222) is this:
It’s really, really hard to squander Three World Series In Five Years-levels of goodwill, but dang if this front office hasn’t done it. I say we dust off and nuke the site from orbit - it’s the only way to be sure.
Pretenders. Con-artists. Charlatans. These are the words the fans are using to describe the Giants in the aftermath of their latest debacle. And nobody gives a F about 107 wins anymore either. When you have the Dodgers and Padres running circles around you, are the 5th richest team in MLB, with the #14 ranked payroll, on a team without a bevy of talented team-controlled youth, you have zero credibility. I just looked at Spotrac's Giants payroll and OMG is it a a joke. Brandon Crawford is the highest paid regular player. A 36 yo declining SS. Really? Fast forward a year and the Giants only have THREE non-arbitration players in 2024; Haniger, DeSclafani, and Flores. WTF are they even doing? If Haniger plays well, he will be a trade chip this season as the Giants are circling the drain in July.
When do the excuses stop?
The Chronicle column referenced above ripped the Giants a new one in a very New York kind of way for their absurd "San Francisco politics turns off baseball players" pre-excuse before free agency nonsense. As the column correctly points out (and I have been railing about for years), you get passed players choosing other places when all things are equal, by making sure they aren't equal and paying more than anyone else. That's how it works. The Giants are too oblivious to understand they have a special tax on their incompetence, meaning it's going to cost them more to get top players anyone else wants, because the agents know how badly the Giants need to land someone to satisfy their fans. Throw the S.F. cost of living on top, and the Giants probably need to pay 20% more than the next highest offer to land someone coveted by others. One can only imagine what the premium on Giants incompetence and timidness is going to cost them for the next big free agent they do actually sign. But guess what, the Giants balked at Correa, not the other way around.
Is it time for this ownership group to sell the team? Is it time for the fans to boycott the team until they do?
I believe the answers are yes and yes.
(12-22-2022, 09:29 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: OK, now that the disaster has happened, it's now time to peel away the layers of this rotten onion and learn WTF REALLY happened. This is the story of the lifetimes of Giants reporters. Let's see who comes up with the full monty based on adroit reporting inside the organization, because it's gonna be a doozy. Before that happens, let's pose some questions that need to be answered and engage in some commentary about them.
Who made the call to nix the Correa contract?
It seems highly doubtful that Farhan Zaidi would be the one to balk at the deal based on results of this physical. Maybe he did, but it seems Farr more likely someone in ownership was responsible. It's dubious to me that Farhan would go to Greg Johnson and say "uh, boss, we found something a little concerning with the Correa physical, and I'm not so sure it makes sense to go forward on the contract now." It seems a lot more likely that Farhan would have said they found something, told Greg Johnson, and he said "that sounds too risky, we need to renegotiate." The other possible reality that would be kind of the worse case scenario, is Greg Johnson has a "mole" checking around Zaidi's actions, and the mole, not Farhan, brought the medical concern to the attention of Greg Johnson, and Johnson told Farhan to cancel the presser, etc. If it wasn't Farhan's call, and he didn't think the issue was that big of a deal or could be managed, he should resign.
HOW could the Giants not have done due diligence on Correa before agreeing to terms?
It's been reported that the Twins knew of the Correa physical issue and offered him more AAV than the Giants. Aside from anything else, the Giants should have known what the Correa concern was before they negotiated terms of a deal with Boras. Nobody with any wisdom would negotiate the largest contract in organization history without knowing before negotiations start that they know whatever they need to know to move forward. Just like you don't make an offer to buy a company until after due diligence, you don't make the biggest free agent contract offer in franchise history without without doing it. The Giants have plenty of owners who know M&A basics. Someone needs to get to the bottom of why they didn't do it with Correa.
How can the Giants square being afraid with the Mets and Twins being OK with paying Correa almost the same?
Everyone has different risk tolerance, but both the Mets and Twins were OK with signing Correa to a long term contract. It would be a bigger gamble for the Twins given they aren't nearly as rich as the Giants. The "he's been in the IL 7 times in 8 years" concern is a red herring to me. Every player can get injured and miss time. And FFS, a guy like Evan Longoria was on the IL what, 4-5 times in 2022 alone? Unless Correa misses months at a time with an injury related to whatever caused concern in the physical, the Giants will look even more foolish than they do just allowing this debacle to happen in the first place. And like was pointed out in the Chronicle on Dec. 21, the Mets balked on a contract with a player who had a concerning MRI JUST LAST YEAR.
How can the team possibly gain back the trust of fans?
The Grant Brisbee column on this pratfall has about 600 comments in less than 24 hours. I can assure you most of them are not flattering to the Giants. The most liked comment (222) is this:
It’s really, really hard to squander Three World Series In Five Years-levels of goodwill, but dang if this front office hasn’t done it. I say we dust off and nuke the site from orbit - it’s the only way to be sure.
Pretenders. Con-artists. Charlatans. These are the words the fans are using to describe the Giants in the aftermath of their latest debacle. And nobody gives a F about 107 wins anymore either. When you have the Dodgers and Padres running circles around you, are the 5th richest team in MLB, with the #14 ranked payroll, on a team without a bevy of talented team-controlled youth, you have zero credibility. I just looked at Spotrac's Giants payroll and OMG is it a a joke. Brandon Crawford is the highest paid regular player. A 36 yo declining SS. Really? Fast forward a year and the Giants only have THREE non-arbitration players in 2024; Haniger, DeSclafani, and Flores. WTF are they even doing? If Haniger plays well, he will be a trade chip this season as the Giants are circling the drain in July.
When do the excuses stop?
The Chronicle column referenced above ripped the Giants a new one in a very New York kind of way for their absurd "San Francisco politics turns off baseball players" pre-excuse before free agency nonsense. As the column correctly points out (and I have been railing about for years), you get passed players choosing other places when all things are equal, by making sure they aren't equal and paying more than anyone else. That's how it works. The Giants are too oblivious to understand they have a special tax on their incompetence, meaning it's going to cost them more to get top players anyone else wants, because the agents know how badly the Giants need to land someone to satisfy their fans. Throw the S.F. cost of living on top, and the Giants probably need to pay 20% more than the next highest offer to land someone coveted by others. One can only imagine what the premium on Giants incompetence and timidness is going to cost them for the next big free agent they do actually sign. But guess what, the Giants balked at Correa, not the other way around.
Is it time for this ownership group to sell the team? Is it time for the fans to boycott the team until they do?
I believe the answers are yes and yes.
(05-27-2023, 06:19 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Farhan is looking pretty good at this moment in time.
It looks like passing on Correa will turn out to be the biggest move he made in terms of resources, but, Haniger, Davis, Conforto, and Sabol are looking like the four best signings anyone had this offseason. You can't win them all, however. Manea and Stripling look very bad.
Of course, the Giants' record with and performance of Schmitt and Bailey can't be denied. Even Wade and Estrada are looking really good. Wade has turned into a great leadoff hitter after a couple years ago being noted for his power.
The Giants are now officially interesting (to me) again. If Harrison was ready to come in and be a top 3 starter - which I believe is what Farhan and co. expected this year - I could see them as a playoff team. The defense has improved greatly with Schmitt and even Bailey. And so too has the team speed with Sabol and Schmitt.
The way these teams are constructed now, it really is necessary for all or most of the envisioned parts to be playing. It really looks like Haniger and Schmitt were important pieces to the envisioned puzzle.
(05-27-2023, 06:19 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Farhan is looking pretty good at this moment in time.
It looks like passing on Correa will turn out to be the biggest move he made in terms of resources, but, Haniger, Davis, Conforto, and Sabol are looking like the four best signings anyone had this offseason. You can't win them all, however. Manea and Stripling look very bad.
Of course, the Giants' record with and performance of Schmitt and Bailey can't be denied. Even Wade and Estrada are looking really good. Wade has turned into a great leadoff hitter after a couple years ago being noted for his power.
The Giants are now officially interesting (to me) again. If Harrison was ready to come in and be a top 3 starter - which I believe is what Farhan and co. expected this year - I could see them as a playoff team. The defense has improved greatly with Schmitt and even Bailey. And so too has the team speed with Sabol and Schmitt.
The way these teams are constructed now, it really is necessary for all or most of the envisioned parts to be playing. It really looks like Haniger and Schmitt were important pieces to the envisioned puzzle.
(05-27-2023, 06:19 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Farhan is looking pretty good at this moment in time.
It looks like passing on Correa will turn out to be the biggest move he made in terms of resources, but, Haniger, Davis, Conforto, and Sabol are looking like the four best signings anyone had this offseason. You can't win them all, however. Manea and Stripling look very bad.
Of course, the Giants' record with and performance of Schmitt and Bailey can't be denied. Even Wade and Estrada are looking really good. Wade has turned into a great leadoff hitter after a couple years ago being noted for his power.
The Giants are now officially interesting (to me) again. If Harrison was ready to come in and be a top 3 starter - which I believe is what Farhan and co. expected this year - I could see them as a playoff team. The defense has improved greatly with Schmitt and even Bailey. And so too has the team speed with Sabol and Schmitt.
The way these teams are constructed now, it really is necessary for all or most of the envisioned parts to be playing. It really looks like Haniger and Schmitt were important pieces to the envisioned puzzle.
(05-27-2023, 06:19 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Farhan is looking pretty good at this moment in time.
It looks like passing on Correa will turn out to be the biggest move he made in terms of resources, but, Haniger, Davis, Conforto, and Sabol are looking like the four best signings anyone had this offseason. You can't win them all, however. Manea and Stripling look very bad.
Of course, the Giants' record with and performance of Schmitt and Bailey can't be denied. Even Wade and Estrada are looking really good. Wade has turned into a great leadoff hitter after a couple years ago being noted for his power.
The Giants are now officially interesting (to me) again. If Harrison was ready to come in and be a top 3 starter - which I believe is what Farhan and co. expected this year - I could see them as a playoff team. The defense has improved greatly with Schmitt and even Bailey. And so too has the team speed with Sabol and Schmitt.
The way these teams are constructed now, it really is necessary for all or most of the envisioned parts to be playing. It really looks like Haniger and Schmitt were important pieces to the envisioned puzzle.
(05-27-2023, 03:05 PM)Mick Wrote:(05-27-2023, 06:19 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Farhan is looking pretty good at this moment in time.
It looks like passing on Correa will turn out to be the biggest move he made in terms of resources, but, Haniger, Davis, Conforto, and Sabol are looking like the four best signings anyone had this offseason. You can't win them all, however. Manea and Stripling look very bad.
Of course, the Giants' record with and performance of Schmitt and Bailey can't be denied. Even Wade and Estrada are looking really good. Wade has turned into a great leadoff hitter after a couple years ago being noted for his power.
The Giants are now officially interesting (to me) again. If Harrison was ready to come in and be a top 3 starter - which I believe is what Farhan and co. expected this year - I could see them as a playoff team. The defense has improved greatly with Schmitt and even Bailey. And so too has the team speed with Sabol and Schmitt.
The way these teams are constructed now, it really is necessary for all or most of the envisioned parts to be playing. It really looks like Haniger and Schmitt were important pieces to the envisioned puzzle.
Passing on a $360 million contract to a shortstop with a balky foot/ankle who is batting .215 with a .705 OPS seems like a pretty good decision. Passing on Carlos Rodon, who signed a $162 million contract and has yet to throw a pitch for the Yankees seems like a pretty good decision.
Of the top 45 free agents, Rodon and Correa were ranked #4 and #6, respectively. One isn't playing, one is mediocre at best. The free agents that the Giants signed and their ranking:
#22 Mitch Haniger, hitting .239 with three hits and a home run today and yesterday. He's starting to come around after a horrendous start. Hit 39 HRs two years ago.
#26 Michael Conforto, hitting .241 with .811 OPS, T2 on the team, leading team with 11 HRs.
#36 Sean Manaea, 2-2, 6.61 ERA, leads team in Ks/9 innings and has given up 8HRs in 32 2/3 innings. He pitched two scoreless innings in relief the other day, and he may be moved there.
#40 Ross Stripling, 0-2, 7.24 ERA, has given up 10 HRs in 32 innings. On injured list. Double ugh.
Giants are 27-25, finally over .500, and are in the last wild card spot. They beat the Brewers 3-1, which means they have scored 233 runs and given up 231 runs this season.
The rookies are playing great. Schmitt and Bailey had consecutive, two-out doubles the other day. Sabol doing well. JD Davis playing exceedingly well. Giants are 16-9 in May, so far. Last year they didn't win 15 in a month until September (18-10).
(05-27-2023, 03:05 PM)Mick Wrote:(05-27-2023, 06:19 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Farhan is looking pretty good at this moment in time.
It looks like passing on Correa will turn out to be the biggest move he made in terms of resources, but, Haniger, Davis, Conforto, and Sabol are looking like the four best signings anyone had this offseason. You can't win them all, however. Manea and Stripling look very bad.
Of course, the Giants' record with and performance of Schmitt and Bailey can't be denied. Even Wade and Estrada are looking really good. Wade has turned into a great leadoff hitter after a couple years ago being noted for his power.
The Giants are now officially interesting (to me) again. If Harrison was ready to come in and be a top 3 starter - which I believe is what Farhan and co. expected this year - I could see them as a playoff team. The defense has improved greatly with Schmitt and even Bailey. And so too has the team speed with Sabol and Schmitt.
The way these teams are constructed now, it really is necessary for all or most of the envisioned parts to be playing. It really looks like Haniger and Schmitt were important pieces to the envisioned puzzle.
Passing on a $360 million contract to a shortstop with a balky foot/ankle who is batting .215 with a .705 OPS seems like a pretty good decision. Passing on Carlos Rodon, who signed a $162 million contract and has yet to throw a pitch for the Yankees seems like a pretty good decision.
Of the top 45 free agents, Rodon and Correa were ranked #4 and #6, respectively. One isn't playing, one is mediocre at best. The free agents that the Giants signed and their ranking:
#22 Mitch Haniger, hitting .239 with three hits and a home run today and yesterday. He's starting to come around after a horrendous start. Hit 39 HRs two years ago.
#26 Michael Conforto, hitting .241 with .811 OPS, T2 on the team, leading team with 11 HRs.
#36 Sean Manaea, 2-2, 6.61 ERA, leads team in Ks/9 innings and has given up 8HRs in 32 2/3 innings. He pitched two scoreless innings in relief the other day, and he may be moved there.
#40 Ross Stripling, 0-2, 7.24 ERA, has given up 10 HRs in 32 innings. On injured list. Double ugh.
Giants are 27-25, finally over .500, and are in the last wild card spot. They beat the Brewers 3-1, which means they have scored 233 runs and given up 231 runs this season.
The rookies are playing great. Schmitt and Bailey had consecutive, two-out doubles the other day. Sabol doing well. JD Davis playing exceedingly well. Giants are 16-9 in May, so far. Last year they didn't win 15 in a month until September (18-10).
(05-27-2023, 04:08 PM)lex24 Wrote: A’s are 10-44. That’s on pace for 30-132. Which would be the worst record in modern history by a fairly wide margin. I truly feel for their fans. What they’ve done is terrible. Essentially they are fielding a AAA team.
(05-27-2023, 04:08 PM)lex24 Wrote: A’s are 10-44. That’s on pace for 30-132. Which would be the worst record in modern history by a fairly wide margin. I truly feel for their fans. What they’ve done is terrible. Essentially they are fielding a AAA team.