09-02-2021, 02:57 AM
I felt like Derek mason did get dual threats figured out, and then got promoted.
DIE LUFT DER FREIHEIT WEHT
(09-01-2021, 10:58 AM)Papa John Wrote: And another perspective on what K-State needs to do to beat Stanford:
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2...-stanford/
Of course, all five items mentioned are exactly what Stanford needs to do to beat K-State.
(09-01-2021, 10:58 AM)Papa John Wrote: And another perspective on what K-State needs to do to beat Stanford:
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2...-stanford/
Of course, all five items mentioned are exactly what Stanford needs to do to beat K-State.
(09-02-2021, 07:06 AM)needle Wrote: Both teams have legit talent on offense but A LOT of questions on defense.
I think it's a more favorable match-up for the Stanford defense than say, going against a UCF-style precision aerial attack. But that's just a guess.
(09-02-2021, 07:06 AM)needle Wrote: Both teams have legit talent on offense but A LOT of questions on defense.
I think it's a more favorable match-up for the Stanford defense than say, going against a UCF-style precision aerial attack. But that's just a guess.
(09-02-2021, 05:53 AM)CTcard Wrote:(09-01-2021, 10:58 AM)Papa John Wrote: And another perspective on what K-State needs to do to beat Stanford:
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2...-stanford/
Of course, all five items mentioned are exactly what Stanford needs to do to beat K-State.
This article about the K State depth chart seems has a little more information in it.
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/bi...52153.html
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1432...24/photo/1
Some takeaways from the group of articles.
- It appears the K State coaching staff, K State beat writers, and indeed much of this board expects Stanford to try to be a run-heavy offense on Saturday. Among other things, K State seems to plan on abandoning their standard 4-2-5 defense for a 4-3-4 run stopping approach - at least to start.
[Others have described their 4-2-5 as essentially a 3-3-5 with a DE playing as a LB]
That view of Stanford makes some logical sense - we're worried about new QB's ability to deliver the ball and the OL probably has more experience/past success than any other unit. [Of course the OL is equally involved in the pass and run game, and it is not clear to me which one they will be better at.]
However, Stanford has not been a run heavy team, and has not made any serious attempt to be a run heavy team, for at least three years now - possibly four if quibbling over definitions. I think a question remains as to how much that has been in response to the abilities available versus the inherent coaching preference.
- K State has a very big reliance on free agents. Apparently will be starting 3 on defense and seem to have a pile on the roster. However, one we know about on offense, TE Imatorbhebhe (via SC and Illinois) won't be a starter - he apparently did not win that job yet. The guy who won the starting job is described as a blocker rather than a pass catcher.
- K State OL is really big (running 320 - 317 - 300 - 324 - 300). Don't know how good they are but the locals appear optimistic.
- K State does start a FB. The guy who won the job is the guy a beat writer described as a lesser blocker but better receiver. That seems to be opposite of the TE situation, so maybe that says something about their intended check-down order.
Overall, K State fans think their offense is better than their defense, ranging from a lot to a more modest level depending upon the level of preseason optimism infecting particular writers. At any rate, this is counter to the traditional view of K State.
Their offense does seem to be more run based than pass, though that image may be exaggerated in comparison to the rest of the Big 12. Stanford D was bad at defending pretty much everything last year, so at this point it is unclear if we'd be better at defending any one style over another.
(09-02-2021, 05:53 AM)CTcard Wrote:(09-01-2021, 10:58 AM)Papa John Wrote: And another perspective on what K-State needs to do to beat Stanford:
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2...-stanford/
Of course, all five items mentioned are exactly what Stanford needs to do to beat K-State.
This article about the K State depth chart seems has a little more information in it.
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/bi...52153.html
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1432...24/photo/1
Some takeaways from the group of articles.
- It appears the K State coaching staff, K State beat writers, and indeed much of this board expects Stanford to try to be a run-heavy offense on Saturday. Among other things, K State seems to plan on abandoning their standard 4-2-5 defense for a 4-3-4 run stopping approach - at least to start.
[Others have described their 4-2-5 as essentially a 3-3-5 with a DE playing as a LB]
That view of Stanford makes some logical sense - we're worried about new QB's ability to deliver the ball and the OL probably has more experience/past success than any other unit. [Of course the OL is equally involved in the pass and run game, and it is not clear to me which one they will be better at.]
However, Stanford has not been a run heavy team, and has not made any serious attempt to be a run heavy team, for at least three years now - possibly four if quibbling over definitions. I think a question remains as to how much that has been in response to the abilities available versus the inherent coaching preference.
- K State has a very big reliance on free agents. Apparently will be starting 3 on defense and seem to have a pile on the roster. However, one we know about on offense, TE Imatorbhebhe (via SC and Illinois) won't be a starter - he apparently did not win that job yet. The guy who won the starting job is described as a blocker rather than a pass catcher.
- K State OL is really big (running 320 - 317 - 300 - 324 - 300). Don't know how good they are but the locals appear optimistic.
- K State does start a FB. The guy who won the job is the guy a beat writer described as a lesser blocker but better receiver. That seems to be opposite of the TE situation, so maybe that says something about their intended check-down order.
Overall, K State fans think their offense is better than their defense, ranging from a lot to a more modest level depending upon the level of preseason optimism infecting particular writers. At any rate, this is counter to the traditional view of K State.
Their offense does seem to be more run based than pass, though that image may be exaggerated in comparison to the rest of the Big 12. Stanford D was bad at defending pretty much everything last year, so at this point it is unclear if we'd be better at defending any one style over another.
(09-02-2021, 08:15 AM)martyup Wrote: It's funny to hear for calls on this board for us to be run heavy. I personally don't mind watching a good ball control offense grind it out on the ground. However, in the recent past when we were run heavy and winning games consistently, there were several Cardboard members that complained that Stanford football was boring and decreasing the broadcast value of college football. Some even posited that they would rather watch a Leach team blow a big lead in a high scoring shootout than watch Stanford grind out a 2 point win by controlling the clock with a ground and pound running attack.
I say, just win.
(09-02-2021, 08:15 AM)martyup Wrote: It's funny to hear for calls on this board for us to be run heavy. I personally don't mind watching a good ball control offense grind it out on the ground. However, in the recent past when we were run heavy and winning games consistently, there were several Cardboard members that complained that Stanford football was boring and decreasing the broadcast value of college football. Some even posited that they would rather watch a Leach team blow a big lead in a high scoring shootout than watch Stanford grind out a 2 point win by controlling the clock with a ground and pound running attack.
I say, just win.
(09-02-2021, 11:50 AM)French Rage Wrote: Since the game is in Dallas, do we get to sue any of the QBs if they audible out of the planned play more than 6 minutes into the game?
(09-02-2021, 11:50 AM)French Rage Wrote: Since the game is in Dallas, do we get to sue any of the QBs if they audible out of the planned play more than 6 minutes into the game?
(09-02-2021, 08:15 AM)martyup Wrote: It's funny to hear for calls on this board for us to be run heavy. I personally don't mind watching a good ball control offense grind it out on the ground. However, in the recent past when we were run heavy and winning games consistently, there were several Cardboard members that complained that Stanford football was boring and decreasing the broadcast value of college football. Some even posited that they would rather watch a Leach team blow a big lead in a high scoring shootout than watch Stanford grind out a 2 point win by controlling the clock with a ground and pound running attack.
I say, just win.
(09-02-2021, 08:15 AM)martyup Wrote: It's funny to hear for calls on this board for us to be run heavy. I personally don't mind watching a good ball control offense grind it out on the ground. However, in the recent past when we were run heavy and winning games consistently, there were several Cardboard members that complained that Stanford football was boring and decreasing the broadcast value of college football. Some even posited that they would rather watch a Leach team blow a big lead in a high scoring shootout than watch Stanford grind out a 2 point win by controlling the clock with a ground and pound running attack.
I say, just win.
(09-02-2021, 01:29 PM)gailtate Wrote:(09-02-2021, 08:15 AM)martyup Wrote: It's funny to hear for calls on this board for us to be run heavy. I personally don't mind watching a good ball control offense grind it out on the ground. However, in the recent past when we were run heavy and winning games consistently, there were several Cardboard members that complained that Stanford football was boring and decreasing the broadcast value of college football. Some even posited that they would rather watch a Leach team blow a big lead in a high scoring shootout than watch Stanford grind out a 2 point win by controlling the clock with a ground and pound running attack.
I say, just win.
In six decades of Stanford football, I've never witnessed a "boring" win. And I've never looked back on a loss and declared it first and foremost "exciting", no matter how close it was. A win is something you savor. A loss can range from stinging to excruciating.
(09-02-2021, 01:29 PM)gailtate Wrote:(09-02-2021, 08:15 AM)martyup Wrote: It's funny to hear for calls on this board for us to be run heavy. I personally don't mind watching a good ball control offense grind it out on the ground. However, in the recent past when we were run heavy and winning games consistently, there were several Cardboard members that complained that Stanford football was boring and decreasing the broadcast value of college football. Some even posited that they would rather watch a Leach team blow a big lead in a high scoring shootout than watch Stanford grind out a 2 point win by controlling the clock with a ground and pound running attack.
I say, just win.
In six decades of Stanford football, I've never witnessed a "boring" win. And I've never looked back on a loss and declared it first and foremost "exciting", no matter how close it was. A win is something you savor. A loss can range from stinging to excruciating.
(09-03-2021, 02:19 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: My $0.02 on the offense.
Like many, I really like the OL position group. A couple of those guys have a little nasty streak. I like seeing them play with a chip on their shoulder.
But even with the experience and capability of the OLine, Stanford will have to show that it can run when opponents bring 7 or 8 (or even 9) defenders into the box to stop it. When Stanford runs plays with Heimuli and Fisk on the field, it's almost assuredly a run. Stanford does not have elite speed at WR or a QB like Davis Mills who can drop dimes to make an opponent hold back a safety. Defenses are going to load up to stop the run and try to force Stanford into 3rd and long. It's been a formula for opponent success for several years. I have heard stories that opponent coaches think that Stanford's offense is relatively easy to prepare for.
So the questions are 1) Can the QB play at an elevated level to keep defenses honest? 2) Can the coaches put the offense in good positions to be successful? I have my doubts about both but I sure hope to be surprised.
(09-03-2021, 02:19 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: My $0.02 on the offense.
Like many, I really like the OL position group. A couple of those guys have a little nasty streak. I like seeing them play with a chip on their shoulder.
But even with the experience and capability of the OLine, Stanford will have to show that it can run when opponents bring 7 or 8 (or even 9) defenders into the box to stop it. When Stanford runs plays with Heimuli and Fisk on the field, it's almost assuredly a run. Stanford does not have elite speed at WR or a QB like Davis Mills who can drop dimes to make an opponent hold back a safety. Defenses are going to load up to stop the run and try to force Stanford into 3rd and long. It's been a formula for opponent success for several years. I have heard stories that opponent coaches think that Stanford's offense is relatively easy to prepare for.
So the questions are 1) Can the QB play at an elevated level to keep defenses honest? 2) Can the coaches put the offense in good positions to be successful? I have my doubts about both but I sure hope to be surprised.
(09-04-2021, 08:05 AM)martyup Wrote: I just learned that our game is one of two that will be used to test a new video replay system -- Mutually Collaborative Video Review. Apparently, video reviews will take place in some remote operations center.
(09-04-2021, 08:05 AM)martyup Wrote: I just learned that our game is one of two that will be used to test a new video replay system -- Mutually Collaborative Video Review. Apparently, video reviews will take place in some remote operations center.