[Phogge]

Bobo Holloman in 1953.

Poly also the alma mater of Tom Martinez, multiple winner of titles as a coach at CSM and noted QB whisperer. Became the first tutor of Tom Brady. My catcher at State.

Poly/Lowell huuuuuge rivals in SFAAA for decades.

[Phogge]

Bobo Holloman in 1953.

Poly also the alma mater of Tom Martinez, multiple winner of titles as a coach at CSM and noted QB whisperer. Became the first tutor of Tom Brady. My catcher at State.

Poly/Lowell huuuuuge rivals in SFAAA for decades.

[BobK]

Giants you get full credit with Phogge for Bobo.

[BobK]

Giants you get full credit with Phogge for Bobo.

[Giants]

Who holds the MLB record for most putouts recorded (14,864) as a catcher?

[Giants]

Who holds the MLB record for most putouts recorded (14,864) as a catcher?

[BobK]

Fisk
Or Mickey Cochrane.

[BobK]

Fisk
Or Mickey Cochrane.

[Phogge]

It wasn't Valmy Thomas.

Bill Dickey? Pudge? Ray Orteig?

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What is the minor league record for season batting average, minimum 200 AB's?

[Phogge]

It wasn't Valmy Thomas.

Bill Dickey? Pudge? Ray Orteig?

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What is the minor league record for season batting average, minimum 200 AB's?

[BobK]

Not Mickey.

Molina of the cardinals. If not Fisk

[BobK]

Not Mickey.

Molina of the cardinals. If not Fisk

[Giants]

Not a trivia question by rather an amazing trivia observation (via The Athletic)…

The best winning percentage by a starting MLB player in a season (min. 40 games):

Sandy Koufax .850 (LA was 34-6 in games he started in 1963)
Denny McLain .805 (Det was 33-8 in games he started in 1968)
Johnny Hopp .805 (St. Louis NL was 66-16 in games he started in 1942 - he played 1B)
Curt Casali .805 (SF is 33-8 in games in which he has started through Aug 17) 

 Additional note: The Giants are 19-2 in day games started by Casali.

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Not Mickey.

Molina of the cardinals. If not Fisk

Rodriquez. (With Molina within 400 to catch him)

[Giants]

Not a trivia question by rather an amazing trivia observation (via The Athletic)…

The best winning percentage by a starting MLB player in a season (min. 40 games):

Sandy Koufax .850 (LA was 34-6 in games he started in 1963)
Denny McLain .805 (Det was 33-8 in games he started in 1968)
Johnny Hopp .805 (St. Louis NL was 66-16 in games he started in 1942 - he played 1B)
Curt Casali .805 (SF is 33-8 in games in which he has started through Aug 17) 

 Additional note: The Giants are 19-2 in day games started by Casali.

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Not Mickey.

Molina of the cardinals. If not Fisk

Rodriquez. (With Molina within 400 to catch him)

[Mick]

Bill Freehan.  Holds the record for most All Star games without being elected to the Hall of Fame -- 11 times an All Star.  Top seven MVP votes three times.  Only led the league in hit-by-pitch three times, thrown out on stolen base attempts once and intentional base on balls once.  That'd be my guess. Or Bob Boone.

[Mick]

Bill Freehan.  Holds the record for most All Star games without being elected to the Hall of Fame -- 11 times an All Star.  Top seven MVP votes three times.  Only led the league in hit-by-pitch three times, thrown out on stolen base attempts once and intentional base on balls once.  That'd be my guess. Or Bob Boone.

[Giants]

Bill Freehan.  Holds the record for most All Star games without being elected to the Hall of Fame -- 11 times an All Star.  Top seven MVP votes three times.  Only led the league in hit-by-pitch three times, thrown out on stolen base attempts once and intentional base on balls once.  That'd be my guess.  Or Bob Boone.

The answer was mixed in with another of my posts.  Ivan Rodriguez is the career leader in putouts by a catcher.

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Bill Freehan.  Holds the record for most All Star games without being elected to the Hall of Fame -- 11 times an All Star.  Top seven MVP votes three times.  Only led the league in hit-by-pitch three times, thrown out on stolen base attempts once and intentional base on balls once.  That'd be my guess.  Or Bob Boone.

Freehan was only on the HOF ballot one year and received only two votes.  I suspect he may receive further consideration at some point by the Veterans Committee.  

As has been documented numerous times over the years, the Hall is tough on catchers.  Which raises the inevitable question in this part of the country - has Buster done enough to warrant HOF consideration or does he need another ring to solidify his  candidacy?

[Giants]

Bill Freehan.  Holds the record for most All Star games without being elected to the Hall of Fame -- 11 times an All Star.  Top seven MVP votes three times.  Only led the league in hit-by-pitch three times, thrown out on stolen base attempts once and intentional base on balls once.  That'd be my guess.  Or Bob Boone.

The answer was mixed in with another of my posts.  Ivan Rodriguez is the career leader in putouts by a catcher.

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Bill Freehan.  Holds the record for most All Star games without being elected to the Hall of Fame -- 11 times an All Star.  Top seven MVP votes three times.  Only led the league in hit-by-pitch three times, thrown out on stolen base attempts once and intentional base on balls once.  That'd be my guess.  Or Bob Boone.

Freehan was only on the HOF ballot one year and received only two votes.  I suspect he may receive further consideration at some point by the Veterans Committee.  

As has been documented numerous times over the years, the Hall is tough on catchers.  Which raises the inevitable question in this part of the country - has Buster done enough to warrant HOF consideration or does he need another ring to solidify his  candidacy?

[Phogge]

I wasn’t sold until this year. The comeback is enough.

[Phogge]

I wasn’t sold until this year. The comeback is enough.

[DC 86]

As has been documented numerous times over the years, the Hall is tough on catchers.  Which raises the inevitable question in this part of the country - has Buster done enough to warrant HOF consideration or does he need another ring to solidify his  candidacy?

I don't think another ring moves the needle since 1) BBHOF voters don't put much weight on championships the way that PFHOF voters do, 2) the difference between three rings and four isn't substantial.

For me Posey is absolutely a hall of famer since I value quality over quantity, but there is a substantial voting bloc that overvalues longevity and prioritizes cumulative numbers. Right now Posey has under 1,500 career hits, around 700 runs and RBI each and probably needs to stay healthy for at least another 2-3 years to beef up his case with voters who fixate on career numbers and arbitrary milestones.

BTW Gene Tenace won four rings (and was a World Series MVP) and posted a career OPS+ of 136 in 5,527 plate appearances (Posey's OPS+ is 127 in 5,471 plate appearances thus far). Tenace also has a higher career WAR and WAA for those that are so inclined. I'm not arguing that Tenace was a better player than Posey (Posey better IMO) but I'm illustrating that Posey probably needs to add to his case in the next few years to ensure being voted in by the writers.

[DC 86]

As has been documented numerous times over the years, the Hall is tough on catchers.  Which raises the inevitable question in this part of the country - has Buster done enough to warrant HOF consideration or does he need another ring to solidify his  candidacy?

I don't think another ring moves the needle since 1) BBHOF voters don't put much weight on championships the way that PFHOF voters do, 2) the difference between three rings and four isn't substantial.

For me Posey is absolutely a hall of famer since I value quality over quantity, but there is a substantial voting bloc that overvalues longevity and prioritizes cumulative numbers. Right now Posey has under 1,500 career hits, around 700 runs and RBI each and probably needs to stay healthy for at least another 2-3 years to beef up his case with voters who fixate on career numbers and arbitrary milestones.

BTW Gene Tenace won four rings (and was a World Series MVP) and posted a career OPS+ of 136 in 5,527 plate appearances (Posey's OPS+ is 127 in 5,471 plate appearances thus far). Tenace also has a higher career WAR and WAA for those that are so inclined. I'm not arguing that Tenace was a better player than Posey (Posey better IMO) but I'm illustrating that Posey probably needs to add to his case in the next few years to ensure being voted in by the writers.

[Giants]

As has been documented numerous times over the years, the Hall is tough on catchers.  Which raises the inevitable question in this part of the country - has Buster done enough to warrant HOF consideration or does he need another ring to solidify his  candidacy?

I don't think another ring moves the needle since 1) BBHOF voters don't put much weight on championships the way that PFHOF voters do, 2) the difference between three rings and four isn't substantial.

For me Posey is absolutely a hall of famer since I value quality over quantity, but there is a substantial voting bloc that overvalues longevity and prioritizes cumulative numbers. Right now Posey has under 1,500 career hits, around 700 runs and RBI each and probably needs to stay healthy for at least another 2-3 years to beef up his case with voters who fixate on career numbers and arbitrary milestones.

BTW Gene Tenace won four rings (and was a World Series MVP) and posted a career OPS+ of 136 in 5,527 plate appearances (Posey's OPS+ is 127 in 5,471 plate appearances thus far). Tenace also has a higher career WAR and WAA for those that are so inclined. I'm not arguing that Tenace was a better player than Posey (Posey better IMO) but I'm illustrating that Posey probably needs to add to his case in the next few years to ensure being voted in by the writers.

If a player is a borderline HOFer, the rings can push him over the top. I think Posey is at that point - numbers say, “I’m not so sure” but rings, intangibles, especially his leadership skills*, defensive ability (particularly pitch framing) say yes. This season has certainly put him put on the short list of guys who will be under serious consideration.  

* More than once, I have read about him being a “National League Jeter”.  That kind of praise means a lot….

[Giants]

As has been documented numerous times over the years, the Hall is tough on catchers.  Which raises the inevitable question in this part of the country - has Buster done enough to warrant HOF consideration or does he need another ring to solidify his  candidacy?

I don't think another ring moves the needle since 1) BBHOF voters don't put much weight on championships the way that PFHOF voters do, 2) the difference between three rings and four isn't substantial.

For me Posey is absolutely a hall of famer since I value quality over quantity, but there is a substantial voting bloc that overvalues longevity and prioritizes cumulative numbers. Right now Posey has under 1,500 career hits, around 700 runs and RBI each and probably needs to stay healthy for at least another 2-3 years to beef up his case with voters who fixate on career numbers and arbitrary milestones.

BTW Gene Tenace won four rings (and was a World Series MVP) and posted a career OPS+ of 136 in 5,527 plate appearances (Posey's OPS+ is 127 in 5,471 plate appearances thus far). Tenace also has a higher career WAR and WAA for those that are so inclined. I'm not arguing that Tenace was a better player than Posey (Posey better IMO) but I'm illustrating that Posey probably needs to add to his case in the next few years to ensure being voted in by the writers.

If a player is a borderline HOFer, the rings can push him over the top. I think Posey is at that point - numbers say, “I’m not so sure” but rings, intangibles, especially his leadership skills*, defensive ability (particularly pitch framing) say yes. This season has certainly put him put on the short list of guys who will be under serious consideration.  

* More than once, I have read about him being a “National League Jeter”.  That kind of praise means a lot….

[BostonCard]

You are probably right, but the marginal benefit of rings goes down fairly quickly.  Like, I could think "he never won a championship" might disadvantage a player who is on the edge, and "he led his team to multiple championships" can help.  But I don't know how much of a difference going from three to four championships is going to make.

The one exception would be if he had could add a World Series MVP to his list of accomplishments.

Trivia time: who are the three players to have won the World Series MVP more than once.

BC

[BostonCard]

You are probably right, but the marginal benefit of rings goes down fairly quickly.  Like, I could think "he never won a championship" might disadvantage a player who is on the edge, and "he led his team to multiple championships" can help.  But I don't know how much of a difference going from three to four championships is going to make.

The one exception would be if he had could add a World Series MVP to his list of accomplishments.

Trivia time: who are the three players to have won the World Series MVP more than once.

BC

[BobK]

One should be Mr October Reggie Jackson

[BobK]

One should be Mr October Reggie Jackson

[BostonCard]

One should be Mr October Reggie Jackson

Yes, 1973 (A's) and 1977 (Yankees).  Two more, both pitchers.

BC

[BostonCard]

One should be Mr October Reggie Jackson

Yes, 1973 (A's) and 1977 (Yankees).  Two more, both pitchers.

BC

[BobK]

Christy Mathewson and Timmy

[BobK]

Christy Mathewson and Timmy

[BostonCard]

No.  Timmy didn't win any.  Neither did Mathewson.

The three Giants WS MVPs were: Edgar Renteria in 2010, Panda in 2012, and MadBum in 2014.

BC

[BostonCard]

No.  Timmy didn't win any.  Neither did Mathewson.

The three Giants WS MVPs were: Edgar Renteria in 2010, Panda in 2012, and MadBum in 2014.

BC

[BobK]

Mickey Lolich

[BobK]

Mickey Lolich

[82lsju]

Bob Gibson

[82lsju]

Bob Gibson

[BostonCard]

Bob Gibson

Yes on Gibson; 1964 and 1967.

One to go.

BC

[BostonCard]

Bob Gibson

Yes on Gibson; 1964 and 1967.

One to go.

BC