11-17-2020, 04:26 PM
Stat Man comes through again.
Outside Topic Sports trivia thread 2020-2021
11-17-2020, 04:29 PM
This is the last year to get something for Belt. Assuming that they are not really thinking of contending in '21 and that they have to make room for the two young catchers down the road (one of whom might play first) what can they get?
11-17-2020, 05:47 PM
Speaking of old Giants 5 are up agai for the Hall of Fame
Bonds
Kent
Zito
Hudson
Vizquel
and one I never heard of
Bonds
Kent
Zito
Hudson
Vizquel
and one I never heard of
11-17-2020, 06:00 PM
(11-17-2020, 04:29 PM)Phogge Wrote: This is the last year to get something for Belt. Assuming that they are not really thinking of contending in '21 and that they have to make room for the two young catchers down the road (one of whom might play first) what can they get?
Got bad news for you Phogge, Belt is going nowhere. Heck, if he has another good season, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is re-signed to a short term deal at the end of the season.
(11-17-2020, 04:29 PM)Phogge Wrote: This is the last year to get something for Belt. Assuming that they are not really thinking of contending in '21 and that they have to make room for the two young catchers down the road (one of whom might play first) what can they get?
Got bad news for you Phogge, Belt is going nowhere. Heck, if he has another good season, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is re-signed to a short term deal at the end of the season.
(11-17-2020, 05:47 PM)BobK Wrote: Speaking of old Giants 5 are up agai for the Hall of Fame
Bonds
Kent
Zito
Hudson
Vizquel
and one I never heard of
Brad Penny pitched for SF at the tail end of his career. He earned a WS ring for his brief time with the Giants.
Bonds is the guy listed who is deserving of a HOF plaque.
(11-17-2020, 05:47 PM)BobK Wrote: Speaking of old Giants 5 are up agai for the Hall of Fame
Bonds
Kent
Zito
Hudson
Vizquel
and one I never heard of
Brad Penny pitched for SF at the tail end of his career. He earned a WS ring for his brief time with the Giants.
Bonds is the guy listed who is deserving of a HOF plaque.
11-17-2020, 06:59 PM
Zito is in the Hall of Fame. That's trainer Nick Zito in the Racing Hall.
Screw Bonds.
Screw Bonds.
11-17-2020, 07:02 PM
Yeah. Here is what will happen. Has a decent 2021, say 21 and 85. Then he resigns and the next year it's 14 and 55 and .214. Max value is NOW.
(11-17-2020, 04:19 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-17-2020, 09:59 AM)BobK Wrote: Alex Wood 48 innings last two years. Yep fits into the new Giants plan
But in 2017 went 16-3 for the Dodgers
He is definitely a “Farhan kinda guy” - coming off injuries, big-time upside, reasonable cost, and, of course, left-handed. He is a Gausman/Smyly type of pitcher. Pay him a few million, watch him flourish and flip him in July for high value prospects.
Note: Zaidi traded for him when he was working for the Dodgers.
Don’t disagree with you often, but I do on Wood. Doesn’t have near the stuff of Smyly. Not to mention Gausman. Funky delivery, so he’s deceptive. He’s had two good years - 2014 and 2017. Otherwise meh to bad. Doesn’t eat innings. Injury prone. Obviously it depends on the cost. But I would not give him close to what Atlanta gave Smyly. (Realize you aren’t suggesting he’s worth 11 for a year)
(11-17-2020, 04:19 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-17-2020, 09:59 AM)BobK Wrote: Alex Wood 48 innings last two years. Yep fits into the new Giants plan
But in 2017 went 16-3 for the Dodgers
He is definitely a “Farhan kinda guy” - coming off injuries, big-time upside, reasonable cost, and, of course, left-handed. He is a Gausman/Smyly type of pitcher. Pay him a few million, watch him flourish and flip him in July for high value prospects.
Note: Zaidi traded for him when he was working for the Dodgers.
Don’t disagree with you often, but I do on Wood. Doesn’t have near the stuff of Smyly. Not to mention Gausman. Funky delivery, so he’s deceptive. He’s had two good years - 2014 and 2017. Otherwise meh to bad. Doesn’t eat innings. Injury prone. Obviously it depends on the cost. But I would not give him close to what Atlanta gave Smyly. (Realize you aren’t suggesting he’s worth 11 for a year)
11-17-2020, 08:21 PM
(11-17-2020, 06:00 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-17-2020, 04:29 PM)Phogge Wrote: This is the last year to get something for Belt. Assuming that they are not really thinking of contending in '21 and that they have to make room for the two young catchers down the road (one of whom might play first) what can they get?
Got bad news for you Phogge, Belt is going nowhere. Heck, if he has another good season, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is re-signed to a short term deal at the end of the season.
22 first basemen are rated by batting stats. If Belt had enough ABs, he'd be #2 in MLB, based on his 1.015 OPS in 2020 (only Freddie Freeman was higher). He finished 16th in NL MVP voting. Had he played 153 games instead of 51, he'd be a 40 2B/27 HR/90 RBI guy. I'd rather we kept Belt for the time being. Farhan's/Kapler's coaches seemed to have worked batting miracles on the starters, particularly Belt. He's become the first baseman we hoped he'd be.
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(11-17-2020, 06:00 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-17-2020, 04:29 PM)Phogge Wrote: This is the last year to get something for Belt. Assuming that they are not really thinking of contending in '21 and that they have to make room for the two young catchers down the road (one of whom might play first) what can they get?
Got bad news for you Phogge, Belt is going nowhere. Heck, if he has another good season, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is re-signed to a short term deal at the end of the season.
22 first basemen are rated by batting stats. If Belt had enough ABs, he'd be #2 in MLB, based on his 1.015 OPS in 2020 (only Freddie Freeman was higher). He finished 16th in NL MVP voting. Had he played 153 games instead of 51, he'd be a 40 2B/27 HR/90 RBI guy. I'd rather we kept Belt for the time being. Farhan's/Kapler's coaches seemed to have worked batting miracles on the starters, particularly Belt. He's become the first baseman we hoped he'd be.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(11-17-2020, 10:57 AM)Phogge Wrote: I can do almost nothing with my left hand Bobbbb plus rotator cuff impingement June of ‘19. Still blaze from the right side but would need six weeks of buildup. Have there been any 74 year old pitchers?
Satchel Paige.... Well, close. I think Jim Barr pitched in adult leagues well into his sixties. And then there the Spaceman.
(11-17-2020, 10:57 AM)Phogge Wrote: I can do almost nothing with my left hand Bobbbb plus rotator cuff impingement June of ‘19. Still blaze from the right side but would need six weeks of buildup. Have there been any 74 year old pitchers?
Satchel Paige.... Well, close. I think Jim Barr pitched in adult leagues well into his sixties. And then there the Spaceman.
11-17-2020, 08:37 PM
Both Barr and Lee were playing in baseball leagues about 6 years ago. A friend batted against Lee
11-17-2020, 09:27 PM
(11-17-2020, 08:22 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-17-2020, 10:57 AM)Phogge Wrote: I can do almost nothing with my left hand Bobbbb plus rotator cuff impingement June of ‘19. Still blaze from the right side but would need six weeks of buildup. Have there been any 74 year old pitchers?
Satchel Paige.... Well, close. I think Jim Barr pitched in adult leagues well into his sixties. And then there the Spaceman.
In my first ever major league game, I saw Jim Barr throw a curveball to Stargell that was so slow, and Stargell swung and missed so hard that Stargell spun around twice and fell on his keister. To an nine-year-old, that was the greatest thing ever.
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(11-17-2020, 08:22 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-17-2020, 10:57 AM)Phogge Wrote: I can do almost nothing with my left hand Bobbbb plus rotator cuff impingement June of ‘19. Still blaze from the right side but would need six weeks of buildup. Have there been any 74 year old pitchers?
Satchel Paige.... Well, close. I think Jim Barr pitched in adult leagues well into his sixties. And then there the Spaceman.
In my first ever major league game, I saw Jim Barr throw a curveball to Stargell that was so slow, and Stargell swung and missed so hard that Stargell spun around twice and fell on his keister. To an nine-year-old, that was the greatest thing ever.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
11-17-2020, 09:55 PM
(11-17-2020, 07:15 PM)BobK Wrote: Bonds and Clemons should be elected. In my mind
Agreed. It's not the Hall of Really Swell Guys Who Never Did Anything Wrong. Bonds, absolutely in.
Jeff Kent, one of the top seven second basemen of all time. In. Second most HRs by a second basemen.
Zito. .535 career w/l. No chance.
Hudson, .625 career w/l. Better than Walter Johnson, Cy Young, Bob Gibson, Newcombe, Hubbell, Joss, Feller, Sabathia, Seaver, Spahn, McDowell and a bunch of others. I say take him.
Vizquel's a toughie. Nearly 3,000 hits, just three all star teams, but 11 gold gloves. Third in career assists for shortstops. Ninth career defensive WAR. 404 stolen bases. Very similar to HoFers Aparicio, Ozzie Smith. I say yes. His support has been going up and was 52%+ last time around in the BBWAA voting for the HoF.
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(11-17-2020, 07:15 PM)BobK Wrote: Bonds and Clemons should be elected. In my mind
Agreed. It's not the Hall of Really Swell Guys Who Never Did Anything Wrong. Bonds, absolutely in.
Jeff Kent, one of the top seven second basemen of all time. In. Second most HRs by a second basemen.
Zito. .535 career w/l. No chance.
Hudson, .625 career w/l. Better than Walter Johnson, Cy Young, Bob Gibson, Newcombe, Hubbell, Joss, Feller, Sabathia, Seaver, Spahn, McDowell and a bunch of others. I say take him.
Vizquel's a toughie. Nearly 3,000 hits, just three all star teams, but 11 gold gloves. Third in career assists for shortstops. Ninth career defensive WAR. 404 stolen bases. Very similar to HoFers Aparicio, Ozzie Smith. I say yes. His support has been going up and was 52%+ last time around in the BBWAA voting for the HoF.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
11-17-2020, 10:26 PM
Kent, Bonds, Albert Belle, Clemens all should be in the Hall. Of azzholes.
11-18-2020, 09:40 AM
Boston Card, steroids weren't banned until the public demanded it. Which was after many were using.
11-18-2020, 09:43 AM
(11-18-2020, 09:40 AM)BobK Wrote: Boston Card, steroids weren't banned until the public demanded it. Which was after many were using.
Steroids have been on the banned substance list since 1991.
http://www.espn.com/mlb/topics/_/page/the-steroids-era
Quote:Though steroids have been banned in MLB since 1991, the league did not implement leaguewide PED testing until 2003. The lack of testing meant it was unlikely players using PEDs would get caught. After years of allegations, a federal investigation into The Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO) -- which provided supplements to several prominent major leaguers -- and later Jose Canseco's autobiography "Juiced" revealed how widespread PED use had become in baseball.
Also, many of the drugs were not legal.
BC
(11-18-2020, 09:40 AM)BobK Wrote: Boston Card, steroids weren't banned until the public demanded it. Which was after many were using.
Steroids have been on the banned substance list since 1991.
http://www.espn.com/mlb/topics/_/page/the-steroids-era
Quote:Though steroids have been banned in MLB since 1991, the league did not implement leaguewide PED testing until 2003. The lack of testing meant it was unlikely players using PEDs would get caught. After years of allegations, a federal investigation into The Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO) -- which provided supplements to several prominent major leaguers -- and later Jose Canseco's autobiography "Juiced" revealed how widespread PED use had become in baseball.
Also, many of the drugs were not legal.
BC
11-18-2020, 09:58 AM
My point exactly Banned LOL but no testing until 2003. Therefor MLB didn't care.
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