[BACardinal]

Also of interest is Gabe Cupps (2023) who is down to Indiana, Ohio State, and Stanford. Some might know him from playing with Lebron's son. He has plenty of mix tapes online and has some good hype behind his name. It would be a great get for Stanford to bring some buzz to the program. 

He is from Ohio so I'm not sure if Haase and Co. can get him to come out to the Farm but fingers crossed. I like his flashy style

[BACardinal]

Also of interest is Gabe Cupps (2023) who is down to Indiana, Ohio State, and Stanford. Some might know him from playing with Lebron's son. He has plenty of mix tapes online and has some good hype behind his name. It would be a great get for Stanford to bring some buzz to the program. 

He is from Ohio so I'm not sure if Haase and Co. can get him to come out to the Farm but fingers crossed. I like his flashy style

[old spanish trail]

Btw, has Sam left this Board?

[old spanish trail]

Btw, has Sam left this Board?

[magnus]

Btw, has Sam left this Board?

Our football guru?   Wouldn't expect him on this thread.  Looks like he checked in 2 days ago.  But i have no insider knowledge.

[magnus]

Btw, has Sam left this Board?

Our football guru?   Wouldn't expect him on this thread.  Looks like he checked in 2 days ago.  But i have no insider knowledge.

[BACardinal]

Cupps to Indiana

[BACardinal]

Cupps to Indiana

[VB Card]

Also made 5 star PF Sean Stewart's top 8. He visited a few weeks ago. 

https://twitter.com/Sean13Stewart/status...31968?s=20 

[VB Card]

Also made 5 star PF Sean Stewart's top 8. He visited a few weeks ago. 

https://twitter.com/Sean13Stewart/status...31968?s=20 

[OutsiderFan]

What snake oil is Hasse selling to these top prospects? Aren't the other coaches recruiting these guys all able to point to at least taking their team to one NCAA tournament, and probably a lot more than that?

All that said, you need more than just one really good player to win consistently. This is why I think Hasse must start Ingram, Reynaud, and Silva, and grow with them. Then add the next year's class to these three and you might have something.

But OMG does the Stanford MBB coaching staff have a very poor track record of developing and improving the players on the roster.

[OutsiderFan]

What snake oil is Hasse selling to these top prospects? Aren't the other coaches recruiting these guys all able to point to at least taking their team to one NCAA tournament, and probably a lot more than that?

All that said, you need more than just one really good player to win consistently. This is why I think Hasse must start Ingram, Reynaud, and Silva, and grow with them. Then add the next year's class to these three and you might have something.

But OMG does the Stanford MBB coaching staff have a very poor track record of developing and improving the players on the roster.

[2006alum]

What snake oil is Hasse selling to these top prospects? 

The 40 year decision is still a pretty compelling kind of "snake oil." And there's no harm in recruits keeping us in the mix long enough to suggest to a recruit was admissible or admitted to one of the most competitive universities in the country.

[2006alum]

What snake oil is Hasse selling to these top prospects? 

The 40 year decision is still a pretty compelling kind of "snake oil." And there's no harm in recruits keeping us in the mix long enough to suggest to a recruit was admissible or admitted to one of the most competitive universities in the country.

[Papa John]

I've thought about this question, too. Maybe Haase's enthusiasm and personable nature also have a positive effect on recruiting? Every time, I hear him speak or watch him celebrate a victory with his players, I think that Haase is just a likeable, good guy who is easy to root for.

And in spite of the poor team performance, a decent number of Haase's recruits have played professionally in the NBA or elsewhere:

Class of 2017
KZ Okpala: NBA
Oscar da Silva: Basketball Bundeslig (Germany)
Isaac White: National Basketball League (Australia)

Class of 2018
Bryce Wills: NBA G League

Class of 2019
Tyrell Terry: NBA

Class of 2020
Ziaire Williams: NBA

I'm guessing that both Ingram and Raynaud from the Class of 2021 will play professionally somewhere. So Haase can promise 5-star recruits a great education and a decent shot at playing pro ball.

[Papa John]

I've thought about this question, too. Maybe Haase's enthusiasm and personable nature also have a positive effect on recruiting? Every time, I hear him speak or watch him celebrate a victory with his players, I think that Haase is just a likeable, good guy who is easy to root for.

And in spite of the poor team performance, a decent number of Haase's recruits have played professionally in the NBA or elsewhere:

Class of 2017
KZ Okpala: NBA
Oscar da Silva: Basketball Bundeslig (Germany)
Isaac White: National Basketball League (Australia)

Class of 2018
Bryce Wills: NBA G League

Class of 2019
Tyrell Terry: NBA

Class of 2020
Ziaire Williams: NBA

I'm guessing that both Ingram and Raynaud from the Class of 2021 will play professionally somewhere. So Haase can promise 5-star recruits a great education and a decent shot at playing pro ball.

[burger]

But OMG does the Stanford MBB coaching staff have a very poor track record of developing and improving the players on the roster.

This is not and has never been the problem with Haase.  Individually, I see guys improving every year.  As a team, though, it's the same thing year in and year out--too many turnovers, bad spacing, bad positioning on defense, lack of good screens, etc.  The problems with Stanford basketball are almost entirely team problems, not individual problems. (Yeah, shooting is a problem, too, but I sitll think that we're not getting guys in the right places to get good shots--that's a team issue also)

If basketball was a one-on-one sport, Haase would probably be a very successful coach.  But the team stuff continues to elude us.

[burger]

But OMG does the Stanford MBB coaching staff have a very poor track record of developing and improving the players on the roster.

This is not and has never been the problem with Haase.  Individually, I see guys improving every year.  As a team, though, it's the same thing year in and year out--too many turnovers, bad spacing, bad positioning on defense, lack of good screens, etc.  The problems with Stanford basketball are almost entirely team problems, not individual problems. (Yeah, shooting is a problem, too, but I sitll think that we're not getting guys in the right places to get good shots--that's a team issue also)

If basketball was a one-on-one sport, Haase would probably be a very successful coach.  But the team stuff continues to elude us.

[BostonCard]

Da Silva is probably his best example of a player who developed from freshman to senior year.  We need more guys like that.

BC

[BostonCard]

Da Silva is probably his best example of a player who developed from freshman to senior year.  We need more guys like that.

BC

[winflop]

So Haase can promise 5-star recruits a great education and a decent shot at playing pro ball.

As long as you can deal with season after season of mediocrity, empty stadiums, and no NCAA appearances.

[winflop]

So Haase can promise 5-star recruits a great education and a decent shot at playing pro ball.

As long as you can deal with season after season of mediocrity, empty stadiums, and no NCAA appearances.

[Papa John]

I hear you, winflop, but Haase had to say *something* to convince Tyrell Terry, Ziaire Williams and Harrison Ingram to play at Stanford. What else could it have been?

[Papa John]

I hear you, winflop, but Haase had to say *something* to convince Tyrell Terry, Ziaire Williams and Harrison Ingram to play at Stanford. What else could it have been?

[Papa John]

2023 Top 25 CG Kanaan Carlyle set to announce college decision, proclaims 247sports:

https://247sports.com/college/stanford/A...179304910/

Pretty amazing to me that we are in close competition with defending national champion, current #1 and Stanford-routing Baylor. We'll find out on Wednesday at 2 pm if Coach Haase can pull another 5-star out of the hat.

[Papa John]

2023 Top 25 CG Kanaan Carlyle set to announce college decision, proclaims 247sports:

https://247sports.com/college/stanford/A...179304910/

Pretty amazing to me that we are in close competition with defending national champion, current #1 and Stanford-routing Baylor. We'll find out on Wednesday at 2 pm if Coach Haase can pull another 5-star out of the hat.

[2006alum]

Fingers crossed! I am less surprised only in the sense that Haase has actually had a pretty good record of shipping guys off to the NBA, and for someone like Carlyle, I assume his top goal is to play for a year (or maybe two) and then go pro. The chance at a college title is always less than certain, even for a defending champ, but the 40 year decision is something he can always fall back on. Still, I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't end up at Baylor.

[2006alum]

Fingers crossed! I am less surprised only in the sense that Haase has actually had a pretty good record of shipping guys off to the NBA, and for someone like Carlyle, I assume his top goal is to play for a year (or maybe two) and then go pro. The chance at a college title is always less than certain, even for a defending champ, but the 40 year decision is something he can always fall back on. Still, I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't end up at Baylor.

[TrumpCard]

Fingers crossed! I am less surprised only in the sense that Haase has actually had a pretty good record of shipping guys off to the NBA, and for someone like Carlyle, I assume his top goal is to play for a year (or maybe two) and then go pro. The chance at a college title is always less than certain, even for a defending champ, but the 40 year decision is something he can always fall back on. Still, I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't end up at Baylor.

Williams had a short, COVID-marred, and lackluster career at Stanford.  Did Haase make him a lottery pick, or did he already have the talent/potential coming into Stanford?  

Haase has coached two other NBA players -- Terry and Okpala -- but both were second round picks.  He also coached several other highly rated recruits at Stanford who transferred out and don't seem likely to make the NBA (Travis, Ryan, and Davis).  

That track record doesn't strike me as being that great, but I'll acknowledge that it's incredibly difficult for college players to make the pros, so I'm curious whether others here think that Haase has been good at developing talent for the pros.

[TrumpCard]

Fingers crossed! I am less surprised only in the sense that Haase has actually had a pretty good record of shipping guys off to the NBA, and for someone like Carlyle, I assume his top goal is to play for a year (or maybe two) and then go pro. The chance at a college title is always less than certain, even for a defending champ, but the 40 year decision is something he can always fall back on. Still, I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't end up at Baylor.

Williams had a short, COVID-marred, and lackluster career at Stanford.  Did Haase make him a lottery pick, or did he already have the talent/potential coming into Stanford?  

Haase has coached two other NBA players -- Terry and Okpala -- but both were second round picks.  He also coached several other highly rated recruits at Stanford who transferred out and don't seem likely to make the NBA (Travis, Ryan, and Davis).  

That track record doesn't strike me as being that great, but I'll acknowledge that it's incredibly difficult for college players to make the pros, so I'm curious whether others here think that Haase has been good at developing talent for the pros.

[Papa John]

I think that Harrison Ingram is the poster child for whatever credit Coach Haase would get for developing players for the NBA. He's already made Pac-12 freshman of the week four (!) times and is a possible first-round pick whenever he declares for the NBA draft.

But like TrumpCard, I leave the actual analysis of CH's contributions to Harrison Ingram's NBA development to others on this board who are NBA-afficianados.

[Papa John]

I think that Harrison Ingram is the poster child for whatever credit Coach Haase would get for developing players for the NBA. He's already made Pac-12 freshman of the week four (!) times and is a possible first-round pick whenever he declares for the NBA draft.

But like TrumpCard, I leave the actual analysis of CH's contributions to Harrison Ingram's NBA development to others on this board who are NBA-afficianados.

[SamuelMcF]

I think that Harrison Ingram is the poster child for whatever credit Coach Haase would get for developing players for the NBA. He's already made Pac-12 freshman of the week four (!) times and is a possible first-round pick whenever he declares for the NBA draft.

But like TrumpCard, I leave the actual analysis of CH's contributions to Harrison Ingram's NBA development to others on this board who are NBA-afficianados.

"Development for the NBA" isn't a thing in college for most 5* McDonald's All American mega-whales. The NBA already knows about these kids, and the college year is a formality.

Of the top 15 recruits in 2020, 10 were drafted in the 2021 NBA draft (8 in the 1st). An 11th, Duke's Terrence Clarke, was a projected mid-late 1st rounder before tragically losing his life in a car accident. 2 more went the G-League route immediately out of HS. That's 13/15.

Of the top 15 recruits in 2019, 11 were drafted in the 2020 NBA draft and another was drafted in the 2021 NBA draft. That's 12/15.

And FWIW, the 4 Rivals predictions of Carlyle to Stanford are there for a reason.

[SamuelMcF]

I think that Harrison Ingram is the poster child for whatever credit Coach Haase would get for developing players for the NBA. He's already made Pac-12 freshman of the week four (!) times and is a possible first-round pick whenever he declares for the NBA draft.

But like TrumpCard, I leave the actual analysis of CH's contributions to Harrison Ingram's NBA development to others on this board who are NBA-afficianados.

"Development for the NBA" isn't a thing in college for most 5* McDonald's All American mega-whales. The NBA already knows about these kids, and the college year is a formality.

Of the top 15 recruits in 2020, 10 were drafted in the 2021 NBA draft (8 in the 1st). An 11th, Duke's Terrence Clarke, was a projected mid-late 1st rounder before tragically losing his life in a car accident. 2 more went the G-League route immediately out of HS. That's 13/15.

Of the top 15 recruits in 2019, 11 were drafted in the 2020 NBA draft and another was drafted in the 2021 NBA draft. That's 12/15.

And FWIW, the 4 Rivals predictions of Carlyle to Stanford are there for a reason.

[old spanish trail]

I think that Harrison Ingram is the poster child for whatever credit Coach Haase would get for developing players for the NBA. He's already made Pac-12 freshman of the week four (!) times and is a possible first-round pick whenever he declares for the NBA draft.

But like TrumpCard, I leave the actual analysis of CH's contributions to Harrison Ingram's NBA development to others on this board who are NBA-afficianados.

"Development for the NBA" isn't a thing in college for most 5* McDonald's All American mega-whales. The NBA already knows about these kids, and the college year is a formality.

Of the top 15 recruits in 2020, 10 were drafted in the 2021 NBA draft (8 in the 1st). An 11th, Duke's Terrence Clarke, was a projected mid-late 1st rounder before tragically losing his life in a car accident. 2 more went the G-League route immediately out of HS. That's 13/15.

Of the top 15 recruits in 2019, 11 were drafted in the 2020 NBA draft and another was drafted in the 2021 NBA draft. That's 12/15.

And FWIW, the 4 Rivals predictions of Carlyle to Stanford are there for a reason.

Great news. No doubt the guy can recruit.

[old spanish trail]

I think that Harrison Ingram is the poster child for whatever credit Coach Haase would get for developing players for the NBA. He's already made Pac-12 freshman of the week four (!) times and is a possible first-round pick whenever he declares for the NBA draft.

But like TrumpCard, I leave the actual analysis of CH's contributions to Harrison Ingram's NBA development to others on this board who are NBA-afficianados.

"Development for the NBA" isn't a thing in college for most 5* McDonald's All American mega-whales. The NBA already knows about these kids, and the college year is a formality.

Of the top 15 recruits in 2020, 10 were drafted in the 2021 NBA draft (8 in the 1st). An 11th, Duke's Terrence Clarke, was a projected mid-late 1st rounder before tragically losing his life in a car accident. 2 more went the G-League route immediately out of HS. That's 13/15.

Of the top 15 recruits in 2019, 11 were drafted in the 2020 NBA draft and another was drafted in the 2021 NBA draft. That's 12/15.

And FWIW, the 4 Rivals predictions of Carlyle to Stanford are there for a reason.

Great news. No doubt the guy can recruit.

[BACardinal]

Fingers crossed! I am less surprised only in the sense that Haase has actually had a pretty good record of shipping guys off to the NBA, and for someone like Carlyle, I assume his top goal is to play for a year (or maybe two) and then go pro. The chance at a college title is always less than certain, even for a defending champ, but the 40 year decision is something he can always fall back on. Still, I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't end up at Baylor.

Williams had a short, COVID-marred, and lackluster career at Stanford.  Did Haase make him a lottery pick, or did he already have the talent/potential coming into Stanford?  

Haase has coached two other NBA players -- Terry and Okpala -- but both were second round picks.  He also coached several other highly rated recruits at Stanford who transferred out and don't seem likely to make the NBA (Travis, Ryan, and Davis).  

That track record doesn't strike me as being that great, but I'll acknowledge that it's incredibly difficult for college players to make the pros, so I'm curious whether others here think that Haase has been good at developing talent for the pros.

Davis and Reid were grad transfers so they don't really count against a coaches "transfer record". Ryan on the other hand is a transfer. So, one transfer during Haase time at Stanford is not bad at all. Tbh Ryan isn't even doing that good at Notre Dame coming off the bench. He listed playing in a more uptempo offense and more pt for the reasons of his transfer but Notre Dame runs a veeery slow offense and not a lot of action. 

The three players that were drafted are still in the league which is great and Ingram will definitely be drafted if he enters this year or next year (I hope he stays one extra year to develop some more). Terry is having some off the court issues so I'm not sure which team will pick him up after his 10-day contract with Memphis. Okpala has been a steady bench player for Miami his whole career. Btw KZ was #44 out of high school and he's doing good in the NBA. 

You have to give Terry and Okpala some credit for being second round picks and still being in the league. How many first round picks from their draft classes are listed on a roster? 

Also, if a 5 star recruit comes to Stanford he knows he'll be the focal point of the offense and be starting from day one instead of heading to a loaded Duke team where he might be coming off the bench for 10 min a game.

[BACardinal]

Fingers crossed! I am less surprised only in the sense that Haase has actually had a pretty good record of shipping guys off to the NBA, and for someone like Carlyle, I assume his top goal is to play for a year (or maybe two) and then go pro. The chance at a college title is always less than certain, even for a defending champ, but the 40 year decision is something he can always fall back on. Still, I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't end up at Baylor.

Williams had a short, COVID-marred, and lackluster career at Stanford.  Did Haase make him a lottery pick, or did he already have the talent/potential coming into Stanford?  

Haase has coached two other NBA players -- Terry and Okpala -- but both were second round picks.  He also coached several other highly rated recruits at Stanford who transferred out and don't seem likely to make the NBA (Travis, Ryan, and Davis).  

That track record doesn't strike me as being that great, but I'll acknowledge that it's incredibly difficult for college players to make the pros, so I'm curious whether others here think that Haase has been good at developing talent for the pros.

Davis and Reid were grad transfers so they don't really count against a coaches "transfer record". Ryan on the other hand is a transfer. So, one transfer during Haase time at Stanford is not bad at all. Tbh Ryan isn't even doing that good at Notre Dame coming off the bench. He listed playing in a more uptempo offense and more pt for the reasons of his transfer but Notre Dame runs a veeery slow offense and not a lot of action. 

The three players that were drafted are still in the league which is great and Ingram will definitely be drafted if he enters this year or next year (I hope he stays one extra year to develop some more). Terry is having some off the court issues so I'm not sure which team will pick him up after his 10-day contract with Memphis. Okpala has been a steady bench player for Miami his whole career. Btw KZ was #44 out of high school and he's doing good in the NBA. 

You have to give Terry and Okpala some credit for being second round picks and still being in the league. How many first round picks from their draft classes are listed on a roster? 

Also, if a 5 star recruit comes to Stanford he knows he'll be the focal point of the offense and be starting from day one instead of heading to a loaded Duke team where he might be coming off the bench for 10 min a game.

[2006alum]

BACardinal echoes a lot of what I was thinking. Okpala was a barely known entity prior to Haase taking an interest, and molded him into a draft pick who's survived in the league. Terrell, IRC, was barely a top 100 recruit. Williams had a lot of issues that I think extended beyond Haase, and still was drafted about where his recruit ranking would suggest (8th ranked recruit, 10th draft pick). Ingram, as others have said, also appears to be likely to meet or exceed expectations.

And to be clear, I'm not even claiming that Haase has some secret sauce in how he coaches or player develops. All I know is that he has a pretty good record for sending recruits to the pros given how mediocre our on-court performance has been, and so for guys who are eyeing one(or-two)-and-done and going pro, I can see why Stanford is a desirable destination even if an NCAA run isn't likely in the cards.

[2006alum]

BACardinal echoes a lot of what I was thinking. Okpala was a barely known entity prior to Haase taking an interest, and molded him into a draft pick who's survived in the league. Terrell, IRC, was barely a top 100 recruit. Williams had a lot of issues that I think extended beyond Haase, and still was drafted about where his recruit ranking would suggest (8th ranked recruit, 10th draft pick). Ingram, as others have said, also appears to be likely to meet or exceed expectations.

And to be clear, I'm not even claiming that Haase has some secret sauce in how he coaches or player develops. All I know is that he has a pretty good record for sending recruits to the pros given how mediocre our on-court performance has been, and so for guys who are eyeing one(or-two)-and-done and going pro, I can see why Stanford is a desirable destination even if an NCAA run isn't likely in the cards.