01-12-2018, 11:27 PM
Wilson has a high ankle sprain but is reported to be doing quite well with it. 2 days to 2 weeks for that kind of injury, it was said.
WBB: Stanford 70 WSU 57
01-13-2018, 12:02 AM
(01-12-2018, 09:58 PM)81alum link Wrote:Write up done at the top.W
Thanks as always for the great writeup!
(01-12-2018, 09:58 PM)81alum link Wrote:Write up done at the top.W
Thanks as always for the great writeup!
01-13-2018, 03:43 AM
[I don't get the replay until 4AM, so this is based on what I noted.]
Did you notice that Stanford had Alanna do the jump ball at the start of the game? I presume that was the Aussie she was jumping against.
When we failed to hit the rim in the 1st possession, I thought we were in real trouble. But we got the first 8 rebounds. Unfortunately, we did a lot of padding of our offensive rebounds throughout the game. I think at one point we had 18 rebounds and 20 points.
I thought the refs were calling things they didn't see. There are some specific plays I want to see in replay.
WSU had a lot of good play. I salute their keeping after it. It will be interesting to see how they do against Cal.
I was surprised we kept in our starters as long as we did, esp. for the first game of the weekend. However, the refs weren't calling fouls and I think WSU benefited from that.
The WSU summary of the game didn't say anything about the player that went out with the leg injury. I hope that's a good sign.
I would not have wanted to be in the Stanford locker room after the game. The team seemed to have no particular joy after the game & when throwing the balls into the crowd. Are they not allowed to dance with the band after conference game wins, or was that just what happened tonight?
I know there's been a lot of comments about Kaylee's lack of offense, but I will note that she only played 18 minutes in the loss, where we got out-rebounded so bad.
Stanford repeatedly put two bigs on the inbounder when under the opponent's basket. I didn't see it give us any advantage. Indeed, it seemed that once WSU had a chance to talk about it, they were not only beating it, they were getting a good shot on the basket as we had to defend 4 players with 3.
Did you notice that Stanford had Alanna do the jump ball at the start of the game? I presume that was the Aussie she was jumping against.
When we failed to hit the rim in the 1st possession, I thought we were in real trouble. But we got the first 8 rebounds. Unfortunately, we did a lot of padding of our offensive rebounds throughout the game. I think at one point we had 18 rebounds and 20 points.
I thought the refs were calling things they didn't see. There are some specific plays I want to see in replay.
WSU had a lot of good play. I salute their keeping after it. It will be interesting to see how they do against Cal.
I was surprised we kept in our starters as long as we did, esp. for the first game of the weekend. However, the refs weren't calling fouls and I think WSU benefited from that.
The WSU summary of the game didn't say anything about the player that went out with the leg injury. I hope that's a good sign.
I would not have wanted to be in the Stanford locker room after the game. The team seemed to have no particular joy after the game & when throwing the balls into the crowd. Are they not allowed to dance with the band after conference game wins, or was that just what happened tonight?
I know there's been a lot of comments about Kaylee's lack of offense, but I will note that she only played 18 minutes in the loss, where we got out-rebounded so bad.
Stanford repeatedly put two bigs on the inbounder when under the opponent's basket. I didn't see it give us any advantage. Indeed, it seemed that once WSU had a chance to talk about it, they were not only beating it, they were getting a good shot on the basket as we had to defend 4 players with 3.
[I don't get the replay until 4AM, so this is based on what I noted.]
Did you notice that Stanford had Alanna do the jump ball at the start of the game? I presume that was the Aussie she was jumping against.
When we failed to hit the rim in the 1st possession, I thought we were in real trouble. But we got the first 8 rebounds. Unfortunately, we did a lot of padding of our offensive rebounds throughout the game. I think at one point we had 18 rebounds and 20 points.
I thought the refs were calling things they didn't see. There are some specific plays I want to see in replay.
WSU had a lot of good play. I salute their keeping after it. It will be interesting to see how they do against Cal.
I was surprised we kept in our starters as long as we did, esp. for the first game of the weekend. However, the refs weren't calling fouls and I think WSU benefited from that.
The WSU summary of the game didn't say anything about the player that went out with the leg injury. I hope that's a good sign.
I would not have wanted to be in the Stanford locker room after the game. The team seemed to have no particular joy after the game & when throwing the balls into the crowd. Are they not allowed to dance with the band after conference game wins, or was that just what happened tonight?
I know there's been a lot of comments about Kaylee's lack of offense, but I will note that she only played 18 minutes in the loss, where we got out-rebounded so bad.
Stanford repeatedly put two bigs on the inbounder when under the opponent's basket. I didn't see it give us any advantage. Indeed, it seemed that once WSU had a chance to talk about it, they were not only beating it, they were getting a good shot on the basket as we had to defend 4 players with 3.
Did you notice that Stanford had Alanna do the jump ball at the start of the game? I presume that was the Aussie she was jumping against.
When we failed to hit the rim in the 1st possession, I thought we were in real trouble. But we got the first 8 rebounds. Unfortunately, we did a lot of padding of our offensive rebounds throughout the game. I think at one point we had 18 rebounds and 20 points.
I thought the refs were calling things they didn't see. There are some specific plays I want to see in replay.
WSU had a lot of good play. I salute their keeping after it. It will be interesting to see how they do against Cal.
I was surprised we kept in our starters as long as we did, esp. for the first game of the weekend. However, the refs weren't calling fouls and I think WSU benefited from that.
The WSU summary of the game didn't say anything about the player that went out with the leg injury. I hope that's a good sign.
I would not have wanted to be in the Stanford locker room after the game. The team seemed to have no particular joy after the game & when throwing the balls into the crowd. Are they not allowed to dance with the band after conference game wins, or was that just what happened tonight?
I know there's been a lot of comments about Kaylee's lack of offense, but I will note that she only played 18 minutes in the loss, where we got out-rebounded so bad.
Stanford repeatedly put two bigs on the inbounder when under the opponent's basket. I didn't see it give us any advantage. Indeed, it seemed that once WSU had a chance to talk about it, they were not only beating it, they were getting a good shot on the basket as we had to defend 4 players with 3.
01-13-2018, 08:36 AM
(01-13-2018, 03:43 AM)MT link Wrote:[I don't get the replay until 4AM, so this is based on what I noted.]I mostly agree with your observations. Yes, Alanna jumped against #4 Louise Brown, the other girl from Melbourne. They smiled and hugged before the game. So I don't know if that is a one-time deal or if we will see Dodson starting in order to get the tip-off again shortly.
Did you notice that Stanford had Alanna do the jump ball at the start of the game? I presume that was the Aussie she was jumping against.
When we failed to hit the rim in the 1st possession, I thought we were in real trouble. But we got the first 8 rebounds. Unfortunately, we did a lot of padding of our offensive rebounds throughout the game. I think at one point we had 18 rebounds and 20 points.
I thought the refs were calling things they didn't see. There are some specific plays I want to see in replay.
WSU had a lot of good play. I salute their keeping after it. It will be interesting to see how they do against ×ÉÉ.
I was surprised we kept in our starters as long as we did, esp. for the first game of the weekend. However, the refs weren't calling fouls and I think WSU benefited from that.
The WSU summary of the game didn't say anything about the player that went out with the leg injury. I hope that's a good sign.
I would not have wanted to be in the Stanford locker room after the game. The team seemed to have no particular joy after the game & when throwing the balls into the crowd. Are they not allowed to dance with the band after conference game wins, or was that just what happened tonight?
I know there's been a lot of comments about Kaylee's lack of offense, but I will note that she only played 18 minutes in the loss, where we got out-rebounded so bad.
Stanford repeatedly put two bigs on the inbounder when under the opponent's basket. I didn't see it give us any advantage. Indeed, it seemed that once WSU had a chance to talk about it, they were not only beating it, they were getting a good shot on the basket as we had to defend 4 players with 3.
The refs seemed quite incompetent to me. There was the one when the WSU player got the ball on a breakaway and tripped over her own feet but they called a foul on Kiana who was six feet away. They badly messed up a couple of out of bounds balls. To give them a little credit, after one apparently bad call I and a few neighbors screamed "go to the monitor" and, whether they heard us or not, they went to the monitor. Sadly, I don't think they reversed themselves. They DID call WSU for fouling McPhee, and so Britt got to the line six times--something that has not been happening for her, so that was an improvement from her standpoint. I could not see what Carrington did to earn the technical foul, so I can't comment on that. She was screened behind other players from where I was sitting.
I think Kaylee was a big key to our victory. She has really been our best rebounder for 4 years, but tonight she made some early baskets that turned her into a genuine offensive threat too. But her attitude and aggressiveness about going for those rebounds seemed infectious to me, and as a senior I think she helped to show the level of effort that was needed to turn things around from our worst rebounding game in six years to a really good effort.
I thought putting the two bigs on the WSU inbounds plays was interesting. It did pay off one time, as I recall, as an errant pass wound up being stolen by McPhee for a fast break. But for the most part it did not seem effective. It will make Washington and future teams waste a little time in practice preparing for it.
As for the attitude of the team after the game--I did not stay to observe carefully. I would guess that they were pretty disappointed in themselves for how they played in the fourth quarter. Tara was ebullient after the first half but told Ross "well, ask me after the second half." I am sure that Tara made it a big point of emphasis at halftime to not let up, and they probably felt they had let up.Â
However, I also am inclined to agree with those who have said above that a lot of it was WSU simply getting its act together and playing better defense and offense.  Many of Carrington's misses and Marta's turnovers happened in the second half, and McPhee and Williams seemed to tire and become less effective by the fourth quarter. While Tara rotated the bigs quite a lot, she did not rotate the guards very much and WSU was just fresher and more energetic, especially Chanelle Molina who didn't even start and played just 25 minutes opposite William's 36. Carrington was the only guard from the bench who got significant minutes and she was ineffective except for her always good rebounding--we appear to have really missed Wilson last night.
(01-13-2018, 03:43 AM)MT link Wrote:[I don't get the replay until 4AM, so this is based on what I noted.]I mostly agree with your observations. Yes, Alanna jumped against #4 Louise Brown, the other girl from Melbourne. They smiled and hugged before the game. So I don't know if that is a one-time deal or if we will see Dodson starting in order to get the tip-off again shortly.
Did you notice that Stanford had Alanna do the jump ball at the start of the game? I presume that was the Aussie she was jumping against.
When we failed to hit the rim in the 1st possession, I thought we were in real trouble. But we got the first 8 rebounds. Unfortunately, we did a lot of padding of our offensive rebounds throughout the game. I think at one point we had 18 rebounds and 20 points.
I thought the refs were calling things they didn't see. There are some specific plays I want to see in replay.
WSU had a lot of good play. I salute their keeping after it. It will be interesting to see how they do against ×ÉÉ.
I was surprised we kept in our starters as long as we did, esp. for the first game of the weekend. However, the refs weren't calling fouls and I think WSU benefited from that.
The WSU summary of the game didn't say anything about the player that went out with the leg injury. I hope that's a good sign.
I would not have wanted to be in the Stanford locker room after the game. The team seemed to have no particular joy after the game & when throwing the balls into the crowd. Are they not allowed to dance with the band after conference game wins, or was that just what happened tonight?
I know there's been a lot of comments about Kaylee's lack of offense, but I will note that she only played 18 minutes in the loss, where we got out-rebounded so bad.
Stanford repeatedly put two bigs on the inbounder when under the opponent's basket. I didn't see it give us any advantage. Indeed, it seemed that once WSU had a chance to talk about it, they were not only beating it, they were getting a good shot on the basket as we had to defend 4 players with 3.
The refs seemed quite incompetent to me. There was the one when the WSU player got the ball on a breakaway and tripped over her own feet but they called a foul on Kiana who was six feet away. They badly messed up a couple of out of bounds balls. To give them a little credit, after one apparently bad call I and a few neighbors screamed "go to the monitor" and, whether they heard us or not, they went to the monitor. Sadly, I don't think they reversed themselves. They DID call WSU for fouling McPhee, and so Britt got to the line six times--something that has not been happening for her, so that was an improvement from her standpoint. I could not see what Carrington did to earn the technical foul, so I can't comment on that. She was screened behind other players from where I was sitting.
I think Kaylee was a big key to our victory. She has really been our best rebounder for 4 years, but tonight she made some early baskets that turned her into a genuine offensive threat too. But her attitude and aggressiveness about going for those rebounds seemed infectious to me, and as a senior I think she helped to show the level of effort that was needed to turn things around from our worst rebounding game in six years to a really good effort.
I thought putting the two bigs on the WSU inbounds plays was interesting. It did pay off one time, as I recall, as an errant pass wound up being stolen by McPhee for a fast break. But for the most part it did not seem effective. It will make Washington and future teams waste a little time in practice preparing for it.
As for the attitude of the team after the game--I did not stay to observe carefully. I would guess that they were pretty disappointed in themselves for how they played in the fourth quarter. Tara was ebullient after the first half but told Ross "well, ask me after the second half." I am sure that Tara made it a big point of emphasis at halftime to not let up, and they probably felt they had let up.Â
However, I also am inclined to agree with those who have said above that a lot of it was WSU simply getting its act together and playing better defense and offense.  Many of Carrington's misses and Marta's turnovers happened in the second half, and McPhee and Williams seemed to tire and become less effective by the fourth quarter. While Tara rotated the bigs quite a lot, she did not rotate the guards very much and WSU was just fresher and more energetic, especially Chanelle Molina who didn't even start and played just 25 minutes opposite William's 36. Carrington was the only guard from the bench who got significant minutes and she was ineffective except for her always good rebounding--we appear to have really missed Wilson last night.
01-13-2018, 09:00 AM
Nice to have a laugher for a change. The impressive first-half lead was built on the strength of an inspired rebounding effort (special kudos to Kaylee) and horrid shooting by WSU. I'm not as concerned as several others about Cardinal's indifferent performance during an extended period of "garbage time" in the second half. I am concerned that Brit and Alana are not hitting their medium-range or outside shots, and Carrington has not regained her stroke either. Only Williams seems to have much of a shooting touch at this point. In watching the second half of the WA-CA game, WA played a 3-2 zone throughout which will force us to do some shooting on Sunday ... as well as to continue to crash the boards. As others have noted, Brit did not let her offensive woes extend to her defensive game. Same comment about Carrington who could become the type of physical enforcer on D that is helpful to have (think Jillian Harmon or Kayla Pederson).
Sunday's game will be interesting to see if Cardinal can shoot their way out of a zone, albeit not a great one. Otherwise, they should be seeing a lot of it the rest of the season.
Recommended viewing: the OU Duck team are a delight to watch on Pac-12 Network, with superb guard play and a young post with great potential. Could be the gold standard for the Pac-12 for the next several years (a young team with more highly-touted recruits coming). Their game against ASU starts at 5 on Sunday, so should be viewable after Cardinal game.
Sunday's game will be interesting to see if Cardinal can shoot their way out of a zone, albeit not a great one. Otherwise, they should be seeing a lot of it the rest of the season.
Recommended viewing: the OU Duck team are a delight to watch on Pac-12 Network, with superb guard play and a young post with great potential. Could be the gold standard for the Pac-12 for the next several years (a young team with more highly-touted recruits coming). Their game against ASU starts at 5 on Sunday, so should be viewable after Cardinal game.
Nice to have a laugher for a change. The impressive first-half lead was built on the strength of an inspired rebounding effort (special kudos to Kaylee) and horrid shooting by WSU. I'm not as concerned as several others about Cardinal's indifferent performance during an extended period of "garbage time" in the second half. I am concerned that Brit and Alana are not hitting their medium-range or outside shots, and Carrington has not regained her stroke either. Only Williams seems to have much of a shooting touch at this point. In watching the second half of the WA-CA game, WA played a 3-2 zone throughout which will force us to do some shooting on Sunday ... as well as to continue to crash the boards. As others have noted, Brit did not let her offensive woes extend to her defensive game. Same comment about Carrington who could become the type of physical enforcer on D that is helpful to have (think Jillian Harmon or Kayla Pederson).
Sunday's game will be interesting to see if Cardinal can shoot their way out of a zone, albeit not a great one. Otherwise, they should be seeing a lot of it the rest of the season.
Recommended viewing: the OU Duck team are a delight to watch on Pac-12 Network, with superb guard play and a young post with great potential. Could be the gold standard for the Pac-12 for the next several years (a young team with more highly-touted recruits coming). Their game against ASU starts at 5 on Sunday, so should be viewable after Cardinal game.
Sunday's game will be interesting to see if Cardinal can shoot their way out of a zone, albeit not a great one. Otherwise, they should be seeing a lot of it the rest of the season.
Recommended viewing: the OU Duck team are a delight to watch on Pac-12 Network, with superb guard play and a young post with great potential. Could be the gold standard for the Pac-12 for the next several years (a young team with more highly-touted recruits coming). Their game against ASU starts at 5 on Sunday, so should be viewable after Cardinal game.
01-13-2018, 09:01 AM
I think the second half was somewhat WSU playing better but mostly us slacking off with the big lead, especially in Q4. Lots of mental mistakes that led to turnovers. The first half was a joy to watch. One reason I enjoy watching basketball is good passing, and we had some nice passes in the first half. Finished well mostly too. I hope the WSU player who got hurt, Swedlund (spelling?) is ok. She hurt I believe an ankle, left the game unable to put weight on it, and never came back.Â
UW hung with cal for a long time, but I'm not sure what it means. Cal's been underperforming compared to us against the same opponents.
UW hung with cal for a long time, but I'm not sure what it means. Cal's been underperforming compared to us against the same opponents.
I think the second half was somewhat WSU playing better but mostly us slacking off with the big lead, especially in Q4. Lots of mental mistakes that led to turnovers. The first half was a joy to watch. One reason I enjoy watching basketball is good passing, and we had some nice passes in the first half. Finished well mostly too. I hope the WSU player who got hurt, Swedlund (spelling?) is ok. She hurt I believe an ankle, left the game unable to put weight on it, and never came back.Â
UW hung with cal for a long time, but I'm not sure what it means. Cal's been underperforming compared to us against the same opponents.
UW hung with cal for a long time, but I'm not sure what it means. Cal's been underperforming compared to us against the same opponents.
01-13-2018, 09:35 AM
How about the key the the big first half was McPhee holding Borislava to 2 points.
Great D by Britt
I thought the refs were fine. A bad call here or there is as Lindybsaud in the chalk talk they are human too
Great D by Britt
I thought the refs were fine. A bad call here or there is as Lindybsaud in the chalk talk they are human too
01-13-2018, 09:58 AM
Some quotes from the press conference. Tara brought Kaylee and Alanna along.
Tara opened by saying we had a good first half and praising Kayl's rebounding, the all around play of Kayl and Alanna, Britt for her defense on #45, gave WSU credit for their effort in the second half, and concluded "It is kind of the story of two halves. Our first half was great and the second half we have to talk about."
Kaylee:Â "We were all disappointed in our last game and we were excited to be back on the court and wanted to take advantage of it, to come out with energy, that was a big focus, but like Tara said we need to piece it together with the second half."
Alanna: "Kayl is one of the players on our team who is consistently getting rebounds--you can rely on her to get boards--and I think more people on our team need to get on board with that too. We all look to Kayl as the leader on the team and she set a great example in that respect."
Tara was asked about Kiana. "She's been doing really well. In my mind she is not a freshman. She is our starting 2 and our backup 1, and sometimes we play her at the 1 and she does really well. She's learning every game, she's very coachable, she is someone who wants to play well and wants to be a great player. She puts in extra time working on her shot, I think she's doing extremely well."
Asked about the turnovers and steals: "We need people to take care of the ball better. I would give them credit, they got aggressive, they got in passing lanes, but we were sloppy....I don't think it should matter what the lead is or what you are down, you can either play against their defense or you can't....we need people who are going to get assists and not turnovers."Â
Kayl asked again about the contrast between ASU and WSU rebounding and how they reversed the situation: "We were just very inspired. We had consequences for not rebounding and we didn't want it to happen again. We know we can't wait to lose a game like that and go 'Oh we have to rebound' we need to be consistent, but we needed that reminder, we got it, and hopefully we don't get it again the rest of the season."
Tara asked about Marta complimented her defense, her layup, but declined to criticize her specifically. The earlier comment about needing people to get assists and not turnovers was probably critical enough.
Tara opened by saying we had a good first half and praising Kayl's rebounding, the all around play of Kayl and Alanna, Britt for her defense on #45, gave WSU credit for their effort in the second half, and concluded "It is kind of the story of two halves. Our first half was great and the second half we have to talk about."
Kaylee:Â "We were all disappointed in our last game and we were excited to be back on the court and wanted to take advantage of it, to come out with energy, that was a big focus, but like Tara said we need to piece it together with the second half."
Alanna: "Kayl is one of the players on our team who is consistently getting rebounds--you can rely on her to get boards--and I think more people on our team need to get on board with that too. We all look to Kayl as the leader on the team and she set a great example in that respect."
Tara was asked about Kiana. "She's been doing really well. In my mind she is not a freshman. She is our starting 2 and our backup 1, and sometimes we play her at the 1 and she does really well. She's learning every game, she's very coachable, she is someone who wants to play well and wants to be a great player. She puts in extra time working on her shot, I think she's doing extremely well."
Asked about the turnovers and steals: "We need people to take care of the ball better. I would give them credit, they got aggressive, they got in passing lanes, but we were sloppy....I don't think it should matter what the lead is or what you are down, you can either play against their defense or you can't....we need people who are going to get assists and not turnovers."Â
Kayl asked again about the contrast between ASU and WSU rebounding and how they reversed the situation: "We were just very inspired. We had consequences for not rebounding and we didn't want it to happen again. We know we can't wait to lose a game like that and go 'Oh we have to rebound' we need to be consistent, but we needed that reminder, we got it, and hopefully we don't get it again the rest of the season."
Tara asked about Marta complimented her defense, her layup, but declined to criticize her specifically. The earlier comment about needing people to get assists and not turnovers was probably critical enough.
Some quotes from the press conference. Tara brought Kaylee and Alanna along.
Tara opened by saying we had a good first half and praising Kayl's rebounding, the all around play of Kayl and Alanna, Britt for her defense on #45, gave WSU credit for their effort in the second half, and concluded "It is kind of the story of two halves. Our first half was great and the second half we have to talk about."
Kaylee:Â "We were all disappointed in our last game and we were excited to be back on the court and wanted to take advantage of it, to come out with energy, that was a big focus, but like Tara said we need to piece it together with the second half."
Alanna: "Kayl is one of the players on our team who is consistently getting rebounds--you can rely on her to get boards--and I think more people on our team need to get on board with that too. We all look to Kayl as the leader on the team and she set a great example in that respect."
Tara was asked about Kiana. "She's been doing really well. In my mind she is not a freshman. She is our starting 2 and our backup 1, and sometimes we play her at the 1 and she does really well. She's learning every game, she's very coachable, she is someone who wants to play well and wants to be a great player. She puts in extra time working on her shot, I think she's doing extremely well."
Asked about the turnovers and steals: "We need people to take care of the ball better. I would give them credit, they got aggressive, they got in passing lanes, but we were sloppy....I don't think it should matter what the lead is or what you are down, you can either play against their defense or you can't....we need people who are going to get assists and not turnovers."Â
Kayl asked again about the contrast between ASU and WSU rebounding and how they reversed the situation: "We were just very inspired. We had consequences for not rebounding and we didn't want it to happen again. We know we can't wait to lose a game like that and go 'Oh we have to rebound' we need to be consistent, but we needed that reminder, we got it, and hopefully we don't get it again the rest of the season."
Tara asked about Marta complimented her defense, her layup, but declined to criticize her specifically. The earlier comment about needing people to get assists and not turnovers was probably critical enough.
Tara opened by saying we had a good first half and praising Kayl's rebounding, the all around play of Kayl and Alanna, Britt for her defense on #45, gave WSU credit for their effort in the second half, and concluded "It is kind of the story of two halves. Our first half was great and the second half we have to talk about."
Kaylee:Â "We were all disappointed in our last game and we were excited to be back on the court and wanted to take advantage of it, to come out with energy, that was a big focus, but like Tara said we need to piece it together with the second half."
Alanna: "Kayl is one of the players on our team who is consistently getting rebounds--you can rely on her to get boards--and I think more people on our team need to get on board with that too. We all look to Kayl as the leader on the team and she set a great example in that respect."
Tara was asked about Kiana. "She's been doing really well. In my mind she is not a freshman. She is our starting 2 and our backup 1, and sometimes we play her at the 1 and she does really well. She's learning every game, she's very coachable, she is someone who wants to play well and wants to be a great player. She puts in extra time working on her shot, I think she's doing extremely well."
Asked about the turnovers and steals: "We need people to take care of the ball better. I would give them credit, they got aggressive, they got in passing lanes, but we were sloppy....I don't think it should matter what the lead is or what you are down, you can either play against their defense or you can't....we need people who are going to get assists and not turnovers."Â
Kayl asked again about the contrast between ASU and WSU rebounding and how they reversed the situation: "We were just very inspired. We had consequences for not rebounding and we didn't want it to happen again. We know we can't wait to lose a game like that and go 'Oh we have to rebound' we need to be consistent, but we needed that reminder, we got it, and hopefully we don't get it again the rest of the season."
Tara asked about Marta complimented her defense, her layup, but declined to criticize her specifically. The earlier comment about needing people to get assists and not turnovers was probably critical enough.
01-13-2018, 10:37 AM
While I agree that WSU picked it up in the second half, I don't think them outscoring us 40-25 in the second half should solely be attributing to them playing better, but also us playing a lot worse.
At one point in the second half, we had 7 turnovers in a stretch of 8 possessions, that's simply unacceptable, whether it's a close game or we are up by 25 points. And many of those turnovers were a product of poor decision-making. Yea, WSU was more aggressive denying the pass. But that means we should be more careful, especially after committing the first couple turnovers.
I hope Tara will highlight that if we lived up to our potential, we could have a lot more first halves and the second half will happen if we become sloppy and careless. Any Pac-12 team will take advantage of our mistakes. WSU kept fighting even when they were down big; we can't expect them to give up and let us continue to blow them out. We have to maintain that intensity.
At one point in the second half, we had 7 turnovers in a stretch of 8 possessions, that's simply unacceptable, whether it's a close game or we are up by 25 points. And many of those turnovers were a product of poor decision-making. Yea, WSU was more aggressive denying the pass. But that means we should be more careful, especially after committing the first couple turnovers.
I hope Tara will highlight that if we lived up to our potential, we could have a lot more first halves and the second half will happen if we become sloppy and careless. Any Pac-12 team will take advantage of our mistakes. WSU kept fighting even when they were down big; we can't expect them to give up and let us continue to blow them out. We have to maintain that intensity.
While I agree that WSU picked it up in the second half, I don't think them outscoring us 40-25 in the second half should solely be attributing to them playing better, but also us playing a lot worse.
At one point in the second half, we had 7 turnovers in a stretch of 8 possessions, that's simply unacceptable, whether it's a close game or we are up by 25 points. And many of those turnovers were a product of poor decision-making. Yea, WSU was more aggressive denying the pass. But that means we should be more careful, especially after committing the first couple turnovers.
I hope Tara will highlight that if we lived up to our potential, we could have a lot more first halves and the second half will happen if we become sloppy and careless. Any Pac-12 team will take advantage of our mistakes. WSU kept fighting even when they were down big; we can't expect them to give up and let us continue to blow them out. We have to maintain that intensity.
At one point in the second half, we had 7 turnovers in a stretch of 8 possessions, that's simply unacceptable, whether it's a close game or we are up by 25 points. And many of those turnovers were a product of poor decision-making. Yea, WSU was more aggressive denying the pass. But that means we should be more careful, especially after committing the first couple turnovers.
I hope Tara will highlight that if we lived up to our potential, we could have a lot more first halves and the second half will happen if we become sloppy and careless. Any Pac-12 team will take advantage of our mistakes. WSU kept fighting even when they were down big; we can't expect them to give up and let us continue to blow them out. We have to maintain that intensity.
01-13-2018, 04:37 PM
Rewatching the game today--Carrington was robbed. In the foul where the first player went down, Carrington is boxing out, WSU player wraps her arm under Carringtons, then WSU player collapses to the floor.
The T on Carrington is bizarre. In my mind, it warrants a personal foul, but when Brit was getting hit with that in the USC (or perhaps UCLA game...definitely the last homestand), nuthin'.
The T on Carrington is bizarre. In my mind, it warrants a personal foul, but when Brit was getting hit with that in the USC (or perhaps UCLA game...definitely the last homestand), nuthin'.
Rewatching the game today--Carrington was robbed. In the foul where the first player went down, Carrington is boxing out, WSU player wraps her arm under Carringtons, then WSU player collapses to the floor.
The T on Carrington is bizarre. In my mind, it warrants a personal foul, but when Brit was getting hit with that in the USC (or perhaps UCLA game...definitely the last homestand), nuthin'.
The T on Carrington is bizarre. In my mind, it warrants a personal foul, but when Brit was getting hit with that in the USC (or perhaps UCLA game...definitely the last homestand), nuthin'.
01-13-2018, 05:46 PM
(01-13-2018, 04:37 PM)crackpot link Wrote:Rewatching the game today--Carrington was robbed. In the foul where the first player went down, Carrington is boxing out, WSU player wraps her arm under Carringtons, then WSU player collapses to the floor.We were told that WSU is a notorious team for flopping. Apparently so.
The T on Carrington is bizarre. In my mind, it warrants a personal foul, but when Brit was getting hit with that in the U$C (or perhaps UCLA game...definitely the last homestand), nuthin'.
(01-13-2018, 04:37 PM)crackpot link Wrote:Rewatching the game today--Carrington was robbed. In the foul where the first player went down, Carrington is boxing out, WSU player wraps her arm under Carringtons, then WSU player collapses to the floor.We were told that WSU is a notorious team for flopping. Apparently so.
The T on Carrington is bizarre. In my mind, it warrants a personal foul, but when Brit was getting hit with that in the U$C (or perhaps UCLA game...definitely the last homestand), nuthin'.
01-13-2018, 07:21 PM
(01-13-2018, 04:37 PM)crackpot link Wrote:Rewatching the game today--Carrington was robbed. In the foul where the first player went down, Carrington is boxing out, WSU player wraps her arm under Carringtons, then WSU player collapses to the floor.I haven't rewatched yet, so I don't know about the first play.
The T on Carrington is bizarre. In my mind, it warrants a personal foul, but when Brit was getting hit with that in the U$C (or perhaps UCLA game...definitely the last homestand), nuthin'.
On the second one, it was an unsportsmanlike foul, not a technical. I believe an unsportsmanlike is similar to what the NBA calls a flagrant 1. That is, the unsportsmanlike foul was just for fouling too hard: unnecessary and excessive contact.
However I haven't checked the NCAA rule book to confirm.
(01-13-2018, 04:37 PM)crackpot link Wrote:Rewatching the game today--Carrington was robbed. In the foul where the first player went down, Carrington is boxing out, WSU player wraps her arm under Carringtons, then WSU player collapses to the floor.I haven't rewatched yet, so I don't know about the first play.
The T on Carrington is bizarre. In my mind, it warrants a personal foul, but when Brit was getting hit with that in the U$C (or perhaps UCLA game...definitely the last homestand), nuthin'.
On the second one, it was an unsportsmanlike foul, not a technical. I believe an unsportsmanlike is similar to what the NBA calls a flagrant 1. That is, the unsportsmanlike foul was just for fouling too hard: unnecessary and excessive contact.
However I haven't checked the NCAA rule book to confirm.
01-13-2018, 07:23 PM
The call on Carrington was a good call. Those of us remember the taking down of Susan King on a simpliar if not exact play might agree.Â
01-13-2018, 07:45 PM
(01-13-2018, 07:23 PM)BobK link Wrote:The call on Carrington was a good call. Those of us remember the taking down of Susan King on a simpliar if not exact play might agree.
You're right, it was a similar play. But the Sooner did not get T-ed up.
01-13-2018, 08:22 PM
So what does it mean when the Washington player gets two free throws with the Stanford players all shunted off to the other end of the court? Isn't that what a technical looks like? Or is this some other kind of foul that merely looks exactly like a technical but isn't?
So what does it mean when the Washington player gets two free throws with the Stanford players all shunted off to the other end of the court? Isn't that what a technical looks like? Or is this some other kind of foul that merely looks exactly like a technical but isn't?
(01-13-2018, 08:22 PM)81alum link Wrote:So what does it mean when the Washington player gets two free throws with the Stanford players all shunted off to the other end of the court? Isn't that what a technical looks like? Or is this some other kind of foul that merely looks exactly like a technical but isn't?At the game the PA announcer called it an unsportsmanlike foul. But that's the FIBA term. Unless the NCAA changed it recently, college ball still calls it a flagrant 1, as the NBA does. Wikipedia gives a summary here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagrant_foul
The penalty is similar to a college technical, two shots and possession. The Wikipedia article says it counts as both a personal and technical foul. So those calling it a T were technically :P at least partly right.
Also, I was wrong to mention "excessive" contact as part of a flagrant 1. That would be a flagrant 2.
(This post was last modified: 01-13-2018, 08:42 PM by CompSci87.)
(01-13-2018, 08:22 PM)81alum link Wrote:So what does it mean when the Washington player gets two free throws with the Stanford players all shunted off to the other end of the court? Isn't that what a technical looks like? Or is this some other kind of foul that merely looks exactly like a technical but isn't?At the game the PA announcer called it an unsportsmanlike foul. But that's the FIBA term. Unless the NCAA changed it recently, college ball still calls it a flagrant 1, as the NBA does. Wikipedia gives a summary here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagrant_foul
The penalty is similar to a college technical, two shots and possession. The Wikipedia article says it counts as both a personal and technical foul. So those calling it a T were technically :P at least partly right.
Also, I was wrong to mention "excessive" contact as part of a flagrant 1. That would be a flagrant 2.
01-13-2018, 10:28 PM
Interesting - the box score lists it as a technical foul. But the earlier call--which I thought was a foul--isn't. I'm guessing they called it out-of-bounds off of Stanford?
01-14-2018, 12:03 AM
The 2017-2018 rules now have an unsportsmanlike foul, "former flagrant 1 personal and contact dead-ball technical foul" (per WBB case book).
Apparently all the specific information indicating what was flagrant have now been removed, leaving just the name of the foul and the following to guide officials.
IMO, this rule is so vague that the uncalled knockdown of Alanna at 06.8 in the 3rd, could be called unsportsmanlike, and there is no way to complain one way or the other as it is completely a judgement call (no criteria required or sufficient), and (if I didn't miss it), no way for it to be reviewed later (the conference used to be able to determine that flagrants had been improperly called, or had been missed, affecting the eligibility of the player in the next game).
I don't think these rules are an improvement.  #c is the weird one. Why not a foot, knee, ball, chair, etc? Does this rule really indicate that it makes a difference if the contact is by the arm/hand???
As for the call against Dijonai, I suspect the call was based on the vulnerability of the shooter, despite it being a legitimate basketball play.
Another disappointment with this rule: Unless it is called out elsewhere, this would not cover a ball thrown at someone's face, as I've seen Missy fail to call. The problem is that is NOT considered a foul, so it can't be an unsportsmanlike foul. (IMO, I would make it a foul or infraction to throw the ball intentionally against an opponent, whether it be at their foot, chest, face, etc. This does cover the "I'm going out of bounds" play as well as the "off-the-back-of-the-defender" inbounds play)
Apparently all the specific information indicating what was flagrant have now been removed, leaving just the name of the foul and the following to guide officials.
IMO, this rule is so vague that the uncalled knockdown of Alanna at 06.8 in the 3rd, could be called unsportsmanlike, and there is no way to complain one way or the other as it is completely a judgement call (no criteria required or sufficient), and (if I didn't miss it), no way for it to be reviewed later (the conference used to be able to determine that flagrants had been improperly called, or had been missed, affecting the eligibility of the player in the next game).
Quote:Section 4. Guidelines for Officiating Unsportsmanlike and Disqualifying Fouls
When determining whether a foul is to be ruled an unsportsmanlike or disqualifying foul due to the level of contact caused, the officials are to consider:
a. The severity of the contact caused by the fouler;
b. Whether the fouler's contact may be considered a legitimate basketball play;
Note: A foul that is considered a legitimate basketball play may still be ruled an unsportsmanlike or disqualifying foul if other criteria are applicable.
c. When the fouler commits a foul with her arm or hand, whether she winds up prior to contact or follows through after making contact;
d. The potential for injury because of the contact (e.g., contact to the head, fouling a player in a vulnerable position, etc.);
e. The severity of any injury suffered by the offended player; and
f. The outcome of the contact (i.e., does the contact lead to an altercation or fight).
I don't think these rules are an improvement.  #c is the weird one. Why not a foot, knee, ball, chair, etc? Does this rule really indicate that it makes a difference if the contact is by the arm/hand???
As for the call against Dijonai, I suspect the call was based on the vulnerability of the shooter, despite it being a legitimate basketball play.
Another disappointment with this rule: Unless it is called out elsewhere, this would not cover a ball thrown at someone's face, as I've seen Missy fail to call. The problem is that is NOT considered a foul, so it can't be an unsportsmanlike foul. (IMO, I would make it a foul or infraction to throw the ball intentionally against an opponent, whether it be at their foot, chest, face, etc. This does cover the "I'm going out of bounds" play as well as the "off-the-back-of-the-defender" inbounds play)
The 2017-2018 rules now have an unsportsmanlike foul, "former flagrant 1 personal and contact dead-ball technical foul" (per WBB case book).
Apparently all the specific information indicating what was flagrant have now been removed, leaving just the name of the foul and the following to guide officials.
IMO, this rule is so vague that the uncalled knockdown of Alanna at 06.8 in the 3rd, could be called unsportsmanlike, and there is no way to complain one way or the other as it is completely a judgement call (no criteria required or sufficient), and (if I didn't miss it), no way for it to be reviewed later (the conference used to be able to determine that flagrants had been improperly called, or had been missed, affecting the eligibility of the player in the next game).
I don't think these rules are an improvement.  #c is the weird one. Why not a foot, knee, ball, chair, etc? Does this rule really indicate that it makes a difference if the contact is by the arm/hand???
As for the call against Dijonai, I suspect the call was based on the vulnerability of the shooter, despite it being a legitimate basketball play.
Another disappointment with this rule: Unless it is called out elsewhere, this would not cover a ball thrown at someone's face, as I've seen Missy fail to call. The problem is that is NOT considered a foul, so it can't be an unsportsmanlike foul. (IMO, I would make it a foul or infraction to throw the ball intentionally against an opponent, whether it be at their foot, chest, face, etc. This does cover the "I'm going out of bounds" play as well as the "off-the-back-of-the-defender" inbounds play)
Apparently all the specific information indicating what was flagrant have now been removed, leaving just the name of the foul and the following to guide officials.
IMO, this rule is so vague that the uncalled knockdown of Alanna at 06.8 in the 3rd, could be called unsportsmanlike, and there is no way to complain one way or the other as it is completely a judgement call (no criteria required or sufficient), and (if I didn't miss it), no way for it to be reviewed later (the conference used to be able to determine that flagrants had been improperly called, or had been missed, affecting the eligibility of the player in the next game).
Quote:Section 4. Guidelines for Officiating Unsportsmanlike and Disqualifying Fouls
When determining whether a foul is to be ruled an unsportsmanlike or disqualifying foul due to the level of contact caused, the officials are to consider:
a. The severity of the contact caused by the fouler;
b. Whether the fouler's contact may be considered a legitimate basketball play;
Note: A foul that is considered a legitimate basketball play may still be ruled an unsportsmanlike or disqualifying foul if other criteria are applicable.
c. When the fouler commits a foul with her arm or hand, whether she winds up prior to contact or follows through after making contact;
d. The potential for injury because of the contact (e.g., contact to the head, fouling a player in a vulnerable position, etc.);
e. The severity of any injury suffered by the offended player; and
f. The outcome of the contact (i.e., does the contact lead to an altercation or fight).
I don't think these rules are an improvement.  #c is the weird one. Why not a foot, knee, ball, chair, etc? Does this rule really indicate that it makes a difference if the contact is by the arm/hand???
As for the call against Dijonai, I suspect the call was based on the vulnerability of the shooter, despite it being a legitimate basketball play.
Another disappointment with this rule: Unless it is called out elsewhere, this would not cover a ball thrown at someone's face, as I've seen Missy fail to call. The problem is that is NOT considered a foul, so it can't be an unsportsmanlike foul. (IMO, I would make it a foul or infraction to throw the ball intentionally against an opponent, whether it be at their foot, chest, face, etc. This does cover the "I'm going out of bounds" play as well as the "off-the-back-of-the-defender" inbounds play)
01-14-2018, 02:19 AM
Finally got a chance to rewatch the game, specifically to see why the lead slipped (details below) As everyone agrees, WSU did much better in the second half. IMO, Stanford did not do much worse, but instead played to learn rather than to preserve the lead. I think Tara used this game to get more experience by some of the younger players. If you learn from you errors, some should have learned a lot.Â
In the runaway fast break, Carrington's foot, and then knee, did contact the WSU player's foot, resulting in the WSU player's foot hitting her other foot and taking her down. It was the proper call.
The 3rd quarter was played pretty well by both teams. It was late (1:11) in the 3rd when Swedlund sprained her ankle, and the refs clearly blew the call by awarding it to WSU, when Stanford was never near the ball at the obvious deflection by Swedlund. The official on the end line indicated he didn't see it. The one in front of Tara clearly miscalled when he awarded it to WSU. I'm expect Tara's comment to him (which is unusual for her to comment to the official that way) was, if you didn't see it, call a jump ball. Officials may not see everything, but they should admit it when they don't.
We were up by 28 at that point, and that was the beginning of the slide.
A minute later, with 6.8 on the clock and Stanford up 26, Alanna was waiting for a defensive rebound, when WSU's #5 slammed right through her, knocking her to the floor and taking her position. The end-line official was watching the ball in the air. Then he called a foul (#2) on Alanna on the rebound. I guess that's because she had her hand above her body, but that's where that WSU player was now.  (Btw, that inbounds play was one where the ball was thrown to the uncovered player at the elbow. She missed the unguarded shot, which I thought was a poor play by Stanford with < 6 seconds on the clock.)
4th Q
9:49 Good backdoor cut by Britanny and a feed from Marta result in a great interior pass to Alanna for an easy layup.  +28
9:25 Good defense results in a tough shot by WSU, but WSU stays home for the O rebound.
9:09 A contested 12' shot misses. Alanna and Brittany tangle on the rebound, resulting in its winding up in WSU's hands for a O rebound and a quick layup +26
8:41 Marta is playing at the block, then gets the ball near the elbow. She attempts to feed it to Brittany, but it is deflected. Brittany manages to get it, but has had to change her drive. She goes up for the shot anyway, and it is blocked. It comes down to WSU.
8;35 In transition, Kiana is on the dribbler but not in front of her. Marta is in front but doesn't stop the dribbler with a weak wave. WSU takes it straight in for a driving layup.
Kiana is called for a foul - there is no arm contact and very little body contact, if any. +23
8:29 Marta, with defender trailing, hands the ball to Britanny on the sideline. Marta's defender arm pulls Britanny's left arm off the ball and the ball falls out of bounds. The official (right on top of the play) improperly calls an out-of-bounds in favor of Stanford, even though WSU never touched the ball. It should have been a foul, or WSU's ball.
8:06 We pass the ball from covered player to covered player around the perimeter. It winds up in the hands of Brittany at 0:08. There are 2 players between her & the basket (Maya's defender has sloughed off into the paint. Maya is inside the 3 on the baseline. I can see why Brittany didn't choose to drive.) Brittany seems stuck on passing in to Alanna, but Alanna has 5 defenders around her. My opinion is that a pass to Maya is the right option. But Brittany does finally get it into a double teamed Alanna who struggles to get control. She puts it in +25
7:52 Hristova is guarded by Britanny. She does a great move from the 3pt, with a spin from the FT line. The official calls a foul, but replay clearly indicates there was no contact to arm or body (except out at the free throw line, before she started the shot) by anyone. The ref called the foul on Brittany (#1) 1/2 FTs +24
7:41 Marta takes the ball to the hoop herself, with a bit of a circus, one-hand shot that went in. (We did have a rebounder in place) +26
7:24 Alanna deflects a pass in the lane and we get a steal.
7:18 In transition, Alanna takes a wide open 3, and misses. Maya was in good rebounding position, but the ball comes down to WSU.
7:00 Halley drives on Kiana and scores. +24
6:38 Kiana tries a pass to a double-teamed Alanna. The ball goes out on a WSU player.yl.
    Kiana's inbound pass is deflected and rolls through Brittany's legs. (Ridiculously, the TO is charged to Brittany.)
    Brittany & Kiana react slowly. WSU gets a 2 on 1 (Alanna) break, but Maya catches up & knocks the ball out of bounds.
6:28 Our 2-person on the inbounder play lets their top scorer get the ball at the foul line, but she misses the shot. WSU is aggressive to get OR and does get one, but not a second.
6:18 Alanna drives the floor and passes to Brittany. Britanny drives toward the clogged center of the lane and gets cut off. She makes a desperation pass intended for very far trailing Kiana, but it is deflected and stolen.
6:15 Two on 1 (Kiana) break with Hristrova with the ball. Kiana stays in the middle to stop the pass and Hristrova takes it to the hoop. Hristrova misses the layup but Kiana gets called for the foul with the body. 2/2 FTs  +22
At this point Stanford has Dijonai, Britanny, Kiana, Shannon, Kaylee
6:05Â Shannon gets called for sticking her arm out and the defender runs through it.
5:57 Hristova tries a challenged (my Britanny) fall-away shot from 10' and misses. Rebound to Dijonai.
5:40 Shannon is beyond the 3-pt line and gets the ball. She attempts to feed it to Kaylee but Kaylee doesn't step out to take the bad pass, and it sails on past to Hristova.
5:33 Hristova takes it on a fast-break for a lay-up, defended by Kiana & Brittany but both wisely decide not to foul. +20
(to be continued)
In the runaway fast break, Carrington's foot, and then knee, did contact the WSU player's foot, resulting in the WSU player's foot hitting her other foot and taking her down. It was the proper call.
The 3rd quarter was played pretty well by both teams. It was late (1:11) in the 3rd when Swedlund sprained her ankle, and the refs clearly blew the call by awarding it to WSU, when Stanford was never near the ball at the obvious deflection by Swedlund. The official on the end line indicated he didn't see it. The one in front of Tara clearly miscalled when he awarded it to WSU. I'm expect Tara's comment to him (which is unusual for her to comment to the official that way) was, if you didn't see it, call a jump ball. Officials may not see everything, but they should admit it when they don't.
We were up by 28 at that point, and that was the beginning of the slide.
A minute later, with 6.8 on the clock and Stanford up 26, Alanna was waiting for a defensive rebound, when WSU's #5 slammed right through her, knocking her to the floor and taking her position. The end-line official was watching the ball in the air. Then he called a foul (#2) on Alanna on the rebound. I guess that's because she had her hand above her body, but that's where that WSU player was now.  (Btw, that inbounds play was one where the ball was thrown to the uncovered player at the elbow. She missed the unguarded shot, which I thought was a poor play by Stanford with < 6 seconds on the clock.)
4th Q
9:49 Good backdoor cut by Britanny and a feed from Marta result in a great interior pass to Alanna for an easy layup.  +28
9:25 Good defense results in a tough shot by WSU, but WSU stays home for the O rebound.
9:09 A contested 12' shot misses. Alanna and Brittany tangle on the rebound, resulting in its winding up in WSU's hands for a O rebound and a quick layup +26
8:41 Marta is playing at the block, then gets the ball near the elbow. She attempts to feed it to Brittany, but it is deflected. Brittany manages to get it, but has had to change her drive. She goes up for the shot anyway, and it is blocked. It comes down to WSU.
8;35 In transition, Kiana is on the dribbler but not in front of her. Marta is in front but doesn't stop the dribbler with a weak wave. WSU takes it straight in for a driving layup.
Kiana is called for a foul - there is no arm contact and very little body contact, if any. +23
8:29 Marta, with defender trailing, hands the ball to Britanny on the sideline. Marta's defender arm pulls Britanny's left arm off the ball and the ball falls out of bounds. The official (right on top of the play) improperly calls an out-of-bounds in favor of Stanford, even though WSU never touched the ball. It should have been a foul, or WSU's ball.
8:06 We pass the ball from covered player to covered player around the perimeter. It winds up in the hands of Brittany at 0:08. There are 2 players between her & the basket (Maya's defender has sloughed off into the paint. Maya is inside the 3 on the baseline. I can see why Brittany didn't choose to drive.) Brittany seems stuck on passing in to Alanna, but Alanna has 5 defenders around her. My opinion is that a pass to Maya is the right option. But Brittany does finally get it into a double teamed Alanna who struggles to get control. She puts it in +25
7:52 Hristova is guarded by Britanny. She does a great move from the 3pt, with a spin from the FT line. The official calls a foul, but replay clearly indicates there was no contact to arm or body (except out at the free throw line, before she started the shot) by anyone. The ref called the foul on Brittany (#1) 1/2 FTs +24
7:41 Marta takes the ball to the hoop herself, with a bit of a circus, one-hand shot that went in. (We did have a rebounder in place) +26
7:24 Alanna deflects a pass in the lane and we get a steal.
7:18 In transition, Alanna takes a wide open 3, and misses. Maya was in good rebounding position, but the ball comes down to WSU.
7:00 Halley drives on Kiana and scores. +24
6:38 Kiana tries a pass to a double-teamed Alanna. The ball goes out on a WSU player.yl.
    Kiana's inbound pass is deflected and rolls through Brittany's legs. (Ridiculously, the TO is charged to Brittany.)
    Brittany & Kiana react slowly. WSU gets a 2 on 1 (Alanna) break, but Maya catches up & knocks the ball out of bounds.
6:28 Our 2-person on the inbounder play lets their top scorer get the ball at the foul line, but she misses the shot. WSU is aggressive to get OR and does get one, but not a second.
6:18 Alanna drives the floor and passes to Brittany. Britanny drives toward the clogged center of the lane and gets cut off. She makes a desperation pass intended for very far trailing Kiana, but it is deflected and stolen.
6:15 Two on 1 (Kiana) break with Hristrova with the ball. Kiana stays in the middle to stop the pass and Hristrova takes it to the hoop. Hristrova misses the layup but Kiana gets called for the foul with the body. 2/2 FTs  +22
At this point Stanford has Dijonai, Britanny, Kiana, Shannon, Kaylee
6:05Â Shannon gets called for sticking her arm out and the defender runs through it.
5:57 Hristova tries a challenged (my Britanny) fall-away shot from 10' and misses. Rebound to Dijonai.
5:40 Shannon is beyond the 3-pt line and gets the ball. She attempts to feed it to Kaylee but Kaylee doesn't step out to take the bad pass, and it sails on past to Hristova.
5:33 Hristova takes it on a fast-break for a lay-up, defended by Kiana & Brittany but both wisely decide not to foul. +20
(to be continued)
Finally got a chance to rewatch the game, specifically to see why the lead slipped (details below) As everyone agrees, WSU did much better in the second half. IMO, Stanford did not do much worse, but instead played to learn rather than to preserve the lead. I think Tara used this game to get more experience by some of the younger players. If you learn from you errors, some should have learned a lot.Â
In the runaway fast break, Carrington's foot, and then knee, did contact the WSU player's foot, resulting in the WSU player's foot hitting her other foot and taking her down. It was the proper call.
The 3rd quarter was played pretty well by both teams. It was late (1:11) in the 3rd when Swedlund sprained her ankle, and the refs clearly blew the call by awarding it to WSU, when Stanford was never near the ball at the obvious deflection by Swedlund. The official on the end line indicated he didn't see it. The one in front of Tara clearly miscalled when he awarded it to WSU. I'm expect Tara's comment to him (which is unusual for her to comment to the official that way) was, if you didn't see it, call a jump ball. Officials may not see everything, but they should admit it when they don't.
We were up by 28 at that point, and that was the beginning of the slide.
A minute later, with 6.8 on the clock and Stanford up 26, Alanna was waiting for a defensive rebound, when WSU's #5 slammed right through her, knocking her to the floor and taking her position. The end-line official was watching the ball in the air. Then he called a foul (#2) on Alanna on the rebound. I guess that's because she had her hand above her body, but that's where that WSU player was now.  (Btw, that inbounds play was one where the ball was thrown to the uncovered player at the elbow. She missed the unguarded shot, which I thought was a poor play by Stanford with < 6 seconds on the clock.)
4th Q
9:49 Good backdoor cut by Britanny and a feed from Marta result in a great interior pass to Alanna for an easy layup.  +28
9:25 Good defense results in a tough shot by WSU, but WSU stays home for the O rebound.
9:09 A contested 12' shot misses. Alanna and Brittany tangle on the rebound, resulting in its winding up in WSU's hands for a O rebound and a quick layup +26
8:41 Marta is playing at the block, then gets the ball near the elbow. She attempts to feed it to Brittany, but it is deflected. Brittany manages to get it, but has had to change her drive. She goes up for the shot anyway, and it is blocked. It comes down to WSU.
8;35 In transition, Kiana is on the dribbler but not in front of her. Marta is in front but doesn't stop the dribbler with a weak wave. WSU takes it straight in for a driving layup.
Kiana is called for a foul - there is no arm contact and very little body contact, if any. +23
8:29 Marta, with defender trailing, hands the ball to Britanny on the sideline. Marta's defender arm pulls Britanny's left arm off the ball and the ball falls out of bounds. The official (right on top of the play) improperly calls an out-of-bounds in favor of Stanford, even though WSU never touched the ball. It should have been a foul, or WSU's ball.
8:06 We pass the ball from covered player to covered player around the perimeter. It winds up in the hands of Brittany at 0:08. There are 2 players between her & the basket (Maya's defender has sloughed off into the paint. Maya is inside the 3 on the baseline. I can see why Brittany didn't choose to drive.) Brittany seems stuck on passing in to Alanna, but Alanna has 5 defenders around her. My opinion is that a pass to Maya is the right option. But Brittany does finally get it into a double teamed Alanna who struggles to get control. She puts it in +25
7:52 Hristova is guarded by Britanny. She does a great move from the 3pt, with a spin from the FT line. The official calls a foul, but replay clearly indicates there was no contact to arm or body (except out at the free throw line, before she started the shot) by anyone. The ref called the foul on Brittany (#1) 1/2 FTs +24
7:41 Marta takes the ball to the hoop herself, with a bit of a circus, one-hand shot that went in. (We did have a rebounder in place) +26
7:24 Alanna deflects a pass in the lane and we get a steal.
7:18 In transition, Alanna takes a wide open 3, and misses. Maya was in good rebounding position, but the ball comes down to WSU.
7:00 Halley drives on Kiana and scores. +24
6:38 Kiana tries a pass to a double-teamed Alanna. The ball goes out on a WSU player.yl.
    Kiana's inbound pass is deflected and rolls through Brittany's legs. (Ridiculously, the TO is charged to Brittany.)
    Brittany & Kiana react slowly. WSU gets a 2 on 1 (Alanna) break, but Maya catches up & knocks the ball out of bounds.
6:28 Our 2-person on the inbounder play lets their top scorer get the ball at the foul line, but she misses the shot. WSU is aggressive to get OR and does get one, but not a second.
6:18 Alanna drives the floor and passes to Brittany. Britanny drives toward the clogged center of the lane and gets cut off. She makes a desperation pass intended for very far trailing Kiana, but it is deflected and stolen.
6:15 Two on 1 (Kiana) break with Hristrova with the ball. Kiana stays in the middle to stop the pass and Hristrova takes it to the hoop. Hristrova misses the layup but Kiana gets called for the foul with the body. 2/2 FTs  +22
At this point Stanford has Dijonai, Britanny, Kiana, Shannon, Kaylee
6:05Â Shannon gets called for sticking her arm out and the defender runs through it.
5:57 Hristova tries a challenged (my Britanny) fall-away shot from 10' and misses. Rebound to Dijonai.
5:40 Shannon is beyond the 3-pt line and gets the ball. She attempts to feed it to Kaylee but Kaylee doesn't step out to take the bad pass, and it sails on past to Hristova.
5:33 Hristova takes it on a fast-break for a lay-up, defended by Kiana & Brittany but both wisely decide not to foul. +20
(to be continued)
In the runaway fast break, Carrington's foot, and then knee, did contact the WSU player's foot, resulting in the WSU player's foot hitting her other foot and taking her down. It was the proper call.
The 3rd quarter was played pretty well by both teams. It was late (1:11) in the 3rd when Swedlund sprained her ankle, and the refs clearly blew the call by awarding it to WSU, when Stanford was never near the ball at the obvious deflection by Swedlund. The official on the end line indicated he didn't see it. The one in front of Tara clearly miscalled when he awarded it to WSU. I'm expect Tara's comment to him (which is unusual for her to comment to the official that way) was, if you didn't see it, call a jump ball. Officials may not see everything, but they should admit it when they don't.
We were up by 28 at that point, and that was the beginning of the slide.
A minute later, with 6.8 on the clock and Stanford up 26, Alanna was waiting for a defensive rebound, when WSU's #5 slammed right through her, knocking her to the floor and taking her position. The end-line official was watching the ball in the air. Then he called a foul (#2) on Alanna on the rebound. I guess that's because she had her hand above her body, but that's where that WSU player was now.  (Btw, that inbounds play was one where the ball was thrown to the uncovered player at the elbow. She missed the unguarded shot, which I thought was a poor play by Stanford with < 6 seconds on the clock.)
4th Q
9:49 Good backdoor cut by Britanny and a feed from Marta result in a great interior pass to Alanna for an easy layup.  +28
9:25 Good defense results in a tough shot by WSU, but WSU stays home for the O rebound.
9:09 A contested 12' shot misses. Alanna and Brittany tangle on the rebound, resulting in its winding up in WSU's hands for a O rebound and a quick layup +26
8:41 Marta is playing at the block, then gets the ball near the elbow. She attempts to feed it to Brittany, but it is deflected. Brittany manages to get it, but has had to change her drive. She goes up for the shot anyway, and it is blocked. It comes down to WSU.
8;35 In transition, Kiana is on the dribbler but not in front of her. Marta is in front but doesn't stop the dribbler with a weak wave. WSU takes it straight in for a driving layup.
Kiana is called for a foul - there is no arm contact and very little body contact, if any. +23
8:29 Marta, with defender trailing, hands the ball to Britanny on the sideline. Marta's defender arm pulls Britanny's left arm off the ball and the ball falls out of bounds. The official (right on top of the play) improperly calls an out-of-bounds in favor of Stanford, even though WSU never touched the ball. It should have been a foul, or WSU's ball.
8:06 We pass the ball from covered player to covered player around the perimeter. It winds up in the hands of Brittany at 0:08. There are 2 players between her & the basket (Maya's defender has sloughed off into the paint. Maya is inside the 3 on the baseline. I can see why Brittany didn't choose to drive.) Brittany seems stuck on passing in to Alanna, but Alanna has 5 defenders around her. My opinion is that a pass to Maya is the right option. But Brittany does finally get it into a double teamed Alanna who struggles to get control. She puts it in +25
7:52 Hristova is guarded by Britanny. She does a great move from the 3pt, with a spin from the FT line. The official calls a foul, but replay clearly indicates there was no contact to arm or body (except out at the free throw line, before she started the shot) by anyone. The ref called the foul on Brittany (#1) 1/2 FTs +24
7:41 Marta takes the ball to the hoop herself, with a bit of a circus, one-hand shot that went in. (We did have a rebounder in place) +26
7:24 Alanna deflects a pass in the lane and we get a steal.
7:18 In transition, Alanna takes a wide open 3, and misses. Maya was in good rebounding position, but the ball comes down to WSU.
7:00 Halley drives on Kiana and scores. +24
6:38 Kiana tries a pass to a double-teamed Alanna. The ball goes out on a WSU player.yl.
    Kiana's inbound pass is deflected and rolls through Brittany's legs. (Ridiculously, the TO is charged to Brittany.)
    Brittany & Kiana react slowly. WSU gets a 2 on 1 (Alanna) break, but Maya catches up & knocks the ball out of bounds.
6:28 Our 2-person on the inbounder play lets their top scorer get the ball at the foul line, but she misses the shot. WSU is aggressive to get OR and does get one, but not a second.
6:18 Alanna drives the floor and passes to Brittany. Britanny drives toward the clogged center of the lane and gets cut off. She makes a desperation pass intended for very far trailing Kiana, but it is deflected and stolen.
6:15 Two on 1 (Kiana) break with Hristrova with the ball. Kiana stays in the middle to stop the pass and Hristrova takes it to the hoop. Hristrova misses the layup but Kiana gets called for the foul with the body. 2/2 FTs  +22
At this point Stanford has Dijonai, Britanny, Kiana, Shannon, Kaylee
6:05Â Shannon gets called for sticking her arm out and the defender runs through it.
5:57 Hristova tries a challenged (my Britanny) fall-away shot from 10' and misses. Rebound to Dijonai.
5:40 Shannon is beyond the 3-pt line and gets the ball. She attempts to feed it to Kaylee but Kaylee doesn't step out to take the bad pass, and it sails on past to Hristova.
5:33 Hristova takes it on a fast-break for a lay-up, defended by Kiana & Brittany but both wisely decide not to foul. +20
(to be continued)
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