10-08-2017, 06:09 PM
Who will start? Who should?
QB for Oregon?
10-08-2017, 07:37 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-08-2017, 07:42 PM by ADPATERSON.)
Play the better Passer; that's where Ducks are weak -- that's Costello.Â
Throw out Oregon vs S.Utah and WY. Meaningless games, and they distort the team stats.
On the foes that matter, they have beat Oregon by PASSING, averaging better than 32 points per game.
Not close. Foes averaged 3x more yards (284yds Passing vs 86 Rushing).Â
We need to throw, and open lanes for Love. That is what Costello did vs UCLA, and AZST.Â
And, Oregon has problems at QB (too few), so the Defense should be able to make stops.
Oregon FOE Â FOE Points
FOE Â Â Â Rush Pass ByFoe
WÂ NEBR Â 109 Â 252 Â 35
L AZST Â 142 Â 347 Â 37
W ×ÉÉ Â Â Â Â Â 8  255  24
L WAST Â Â 87 Â 282 Â 33
       346 1136  129
Average 86.5 Â 284 Â 32.3
Throw out Oregon vs S.Utah and WY. Meaningless games, and they distort the team stats.
On the foes that matter, they have beat Oregon by PASSING, averaging better than 32 points per game.
Not close. Foes averaged 3x more yards (284yds Passing vs 86 Rushing).Â
We need to throw, and open lanes for Love. That is what Costello did vs UCLA, and AZST.Â
And, Oregon has problems at QB (too few), so the Defense should be able to make stops.
Oregon FOE Â FOE Points
FOE Â Â Â Rush Pass ByFoe
WÂ NEBR Â 109 Â 252 Â 35
L AZST Â 142 Â 347 Â 37
W ×ÉÉ Â Â Â Â Â 8  255  24
L WAST Â Â 87 Â 282 Â 33
       346 1136  129
Average 86.5 Â 284 Â 32.3
Just love slamming those over-hyped beach body schools.
If you heard Cal Sucks, you'd be right.
(This post was last modified: 10-08-2017, 07:42 PM by ADPATERSON.)
Play the better Passer; that's where Ducks are weak -- that's Costello.Â
Throw out Oregon vs S.Utah and WY. Meaningless games, and they distort the team stats.
On the foes that matter, they have beat Oregon by PASSING, averaging better than 32 points per game.
Not close. Foes averaged 3x more yards (284yds Passing vs 86 Rushing).Â
We need to throw, and open lanes for Love. That is what Costello did vs UCLA, and AZST.Â
And, Oregon has problems at QB (too few), so the Defense should be able to make stops.
Oregon FOE Â FOE Points
FOE Â Â Â Rush Pass ByFoe
WÂ NEBR Â 109 Â 252 Â 35
L AZST Â 142 Â 347 Â 37
W ×ÉÉ Â Â Â Â Â 8  255  24
L WAST Â Â 87 Â 282 Â 33
       346 1136  129
Average 86.5 Â 284 Â 32.3
Throw out Oregon vs S.Utah and WY. Meaningless games, and they distort the team stats.
On the foes that matter, they have beat Oregon by PASSING, averaging better than 32 points per game.
Not close. Foes averaged 3x more yards (284yds Passing vs 86 Rushing).Â
We need to throw, and open lanes for Love. That is what Costello did vs UCLA, and AZST.Â
And, Oregon has problems at QB (too few), so the Defense should be able to make stops.
Oregon FOE Â FOE Points
FOE Â Â Â Rush Pass ByFoe
WÂ NEBR Â 109 Â 252 Â 35
L AZST Â 142 Â 347 Â 37
W ×ÉÉ Â Â Â Â Â 8  255  24
L WAST Â Â 87 Â 282 Â 33
       346 1136  129
Average 86.5 Â 284 Â 32.3
Just love slamming those over-hyped beach body schools.
If you heard Cal Sucks, you'd be right.
10-08-2017, 08:02 PM
(10-08-2017, 07:37 PM)ADPATERSON link Wrote:Play the better Passer; that's where Ducks are weak -- that's Costello.Â
Throw out Oregon vs S.Utah and WY. Meaningless games, and they distort the team stats.
On the foes that matter, they have beat Oregon by PASSING, averaging better than 32 points per game.
Not close. Foes averaged 3x more yards (284yds Passing vs 86 Rushing).Â
We need to throw, and open lanes for Love. That is what Costello did vs UCLA, and AZST.Â
And, Oregon has problems at QB (too few), so the Defense should be able to make stops.
Oregon FOE Â FOE Points
FOE Â Â Â Rush Pass ByFoe
WÂ NEBR Â 109 Â 252 Â 35
L AZST Â 142 Â 347 Â 37
W Cal      8  255  24
L WAST Â Â 87 Â 282 Â 33
       346 1136  129
Average 86.5 Â 284 Â 32.3
I'm not sure that follows. Here's a chart of Oregon's opponents, their YPC against Oregon, and their total YPC (without removing Oregon, I don't have the time for that right now):
| Opponent | YPC vs OU | YPC Ave | Diff |
| Nebraska | 3.76 | 4.16 | -0.4 |
| Wyoming | 3.66 | 3.26 | 0.4 |
| Arizona St. | 2.68 | 3.05 | -0.37 |
| California | 0.28 | 2.95 | -2.67 |
| WSU | 3.48 | 3.16 | 0.32 |
As you can see, besides Cal, most teams got about their average against Oregon, plus or minus less than half a yard. Oregon's seemingly formidable stats mostly come from playing against teams that are bad at running. So, yeah, teams that are bad that running won't run to win, that's approaching tautological.
(10-08-2017, 07:37 PM)ADPATERSON link Wrote:Play the better Passer; that's where Ducks are weak -- that's Costello.Â
Throw out Oregon vs S.Utah and WY. Meaningless games, and they distort the team stats.
On the foes that matter, they have beat Oregon by PASSING, averaging better than 32 points per game.
Not close. Foes averaged 3x more yards (284yds Passing vs 86 Rushing).Â
We need to throw, and open lanes for Love. That is what Costello did vs UCLA, and AZST.Â
And, Oregon has problems at QB (too few), so the Defense should be able to make stops.
Oregon FOE Â FOE Points
FOE Â Â Â Rush Pass ByFoe
WÂ NEBR Â 109 Â 252 Â 35
L AZST Â 142 Â 347 Â 37
W Cal      8  255  24
L WAST Â Â 87 Â 282 Â 33
       346 1136  129
Average 86.5 Â 284 Â 32.3
I'm not sure that follows. Here's a chart of Oregon's opponents, their YPC against Oregon, and their total YPC (without removing Oregon, I don't have the time for that right now):
| Opponent | YPC vs OU | YPC Ave | Diff |
| Nebraska | 3.76 | 4.16 | -0.4 |
| Wyoming | 3.66 | 3.26 | 0.4 |
| Arizona St. | 2.68 | 3.05 | -0.37 |
| California | 0.28 | 2.95 | -2.67 |
| WSU | 3.48 | 3.16 | 0.32 |
As you can see, besides Cal, most teams got about their average against Oregon, plus or minus less than half a yard. Oregon's seemingly formidable stats mostly come from playing against teams that are bad at running. So, yeah, teams that are bad that running won't run to win, that's approaching tautological.
10-08-2017, 09:57 PM
(10-08-2017, 08:02 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:that's approaching tautological.
You just gave me a flashback to Logic class, circa 1983/4, riding back at 2 or 3 am because that's when you had "free" hours.
TAUT.
Thanks! 8)
10-08-2017, 09:58 PM
Chryst. He did nothing Sat to lose his job. In fact, he played well. I still think Costello has a better upside and I certainly would've started him against Utah. But there is no question Keller will start. And if he plays like he did Sat, things will be fine.
10-08-2017, 10:00 PM
Are they playing Michigan??!! :)
(10-08-2017, 09:34 PM)Phogge link Wrote:Waldvogel.
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(10-08-2017, 10:00 PM)lex24 link Wrote:Are they playing Michigan??!! :)[/quote]
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10-09-2017, 12:50 PM
I have no doubt that we'll be seeing Chrystello at quarterback for at least a couple more weeks. With overmatched opponents Oregon and Oregon State coming up, it's doubtful either Chryst or Costello will doing anything to distinguish himself. My hope was that Costello would look great on Saturday, but that's not what happened.
Please clear the field! The game is not over!
I have no doubt that we'll be seeing Chrystello at quarterback for at least a couple more weeks. With overmatched opponents Oregon and Oregon State coming up, it's doubtful either Chryst or Costello will doing anything to distinguish himself. My hope was that Costello would look great on Saturday, but that's not what happened.
Please clear the field! The game is not over!
10-09-2017, 01:11 PM
(10-09-2017, 12:50 PM)Hank 91 link Wrote:I have no doubt that we'll be seeing Chrystello at quarterback for at least a couple more weeks. With overmatched opponents Oregon and Oregon State coming up, it's doubtful either Chryst or Costello will doing anything to distinguish himself. My hope was that Costello would look great on Saturday, but that's not what happened.
It's not clear to me that Oregon will be overmatched. I don't think they're quite as formidable as they seemed before the Cal game, but they could definitely beat us if we play like we did against SDSU. Unlike ORST, who might be able to give Rice a game...
(10-09-2017, 12:50 PM)Hank 91 link Wrote:I have no doubt that we'll be seeing Chrystello at quarterback for at least a couple more weeks. With overmatched opponents Oregon and Oregon State coming up, it's doubtful either Chryst or Costello will doing anything to distinguish himself. My hope was that Costello would look great on Saturday, but that's not what happened.
It's not clear to me that Oregon will be overmatched. I don't think they're quite as formidable as they seemed before the Cal game, but they could definitely beat us if we play like we did against SDSU. Unlike ORST, who might be able to give Rice a game...
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10-09-2017, 01:59 PM
(10-09-2017, 12:50 PM)Hank 91 link Wrote:I have no doubt that we'll be seeing Chrystello at quarterback for at least a couple more weeks.
You'd think by Wash St that Shawgren (couldn't resist) would settle on one or the other of Chrystello.
(10-09-2017, 12:50 PM)Hank 91 link Wrote:I have no doubt that we'll be seeing Chrystello at quarterback for at least a couple more weeks.
You'd think by Wash St that Shawgren (couldn't resist) would settle on one or the other of Chrystello.
10-09-2017, 02:10 PM
(10-09-2017, 01:59 PM)ChicagoTree link Wrote:[quote author=Hank 91 link=topic=17632.msg205375#msg205375 date=1507578635]
I have no doubt that we'll be seeing Chrystello at quarterback for at least a couple more weeks.
You'd think by Wash St that Shawgren (couldn't resist) would settle on one or the other of Chrystello.
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Is it clear he hasn't already settled on Chryst? I would imagine that Chryst will get most of the snaps, even more than against Utah, with Costello getting a token series or a token package, or reverting back to a conventional back-up, mop-up duty QB.
BC
(10-09-2017, 01:59 PM)ChicagoTree link Wrote:[quote author=Hank 91 link=topic=17632.msg205375#msg205375 date=1507578635]
I have no doubt that we'll be seeing Chrystello at quarterback for at least a couple more weeks.
You'd think by Wash St that Shawgren (couldn't resist) would settle on one or the other of Chrystello.
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Is it clear he hasn't already settled on Chryst? I would imagine that Chryst will get most of the snaps, even more than against Utah, with Costello getting a token series or a token package, or reverting back to a conventional back-up, mop-up duty QB.
BC
10-09-2017, 02:21 PM
(10-09-2017, 02:10 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Is it clear he hasn't already settled on Chryst? I would imagine that Chryst will get most of the snaps, even more than against Utah, with Costello getting a token series or a token package, or reverting back to a conventional back-up, mop-up duty QB.I think it is clear that Shaw would prefer to play Chryst, because Shaw believes, probably correctly, that it is less probable that Chryst will make a mistake that turns the ball over. It is also probable that he will get us out of bad play calls that Costello may not. If Bryce Love is doing his thing, that will work just fine. Chryst is slow on the read option. but against Utah he sure looked faster than against UCLA. It was "good enough". Shaw is aware that Chryst probably isn't going to do anything extraordinary. If we are in trouble and Chryst doesn't seem to be doing the job, Costello will be sent out to fix it. Maybe not fair, but that is how it is. Costello is viewed as higher risk, higher reward.
BC
(10-09-2017, 02:10 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Is it clear he hasn't already settled on Chryst? I would imagine that Chryst will get most of the snaps, even more than against Utah, with Costello getting a token series or a token package, or reverting back to a conventional back-up, mop-up duty QB.I think it is clear that Shaw would prefer to play Chryst, because Shaw believes, probably correctly, that it is less probable that Chryst will make a mistake that turns the ball over. It is also probable that he will get us out of bad play calls that Costello may not. If Bryce Love is doing his thing, that will work just fine. Chryst is slow on the read option. but against Utah he sure looked faster than against UCLA. It was "good enough". Shaw is aware that Chryst probably isn't going to do anything extraordinary. If we are in trouble and Chryst doesn't seem to be doing the job, Costello will be sent out to fix it. Maybe not fair, but that is how it is. Costello is viewed as higher risk, higher reward.
BC
10-09-2017, 03:55 PM
(10-09-2017, 02:21 PM)Goose link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17632.msg205397#msg205397 date=1507583430]I think it is clear that Shaw would prefer to play Chryst, because Shaw believes, probably correctly, that it is less probable that Chryst will make a mistake that turns the ball over. It is also probable that he will get us out of bad play calls that Costello may not. If Bryce Love is doing his thing, that will work just fine. Chryst is slow on the read option. but against Utah he sure looked faster than against UCLA. It was "good enough". Shaw is aware that Chryst probably isn't going to do anything extraordinary. If we are in trouble and Chryst doesn't seem to be doing the job, Costello will be sent out to fix it. Maybe not fair, but that is how it is. Costello is viewed as higher risk, higher reward.
Is it clear he hasn't already settled on Chryst? I would imagine that Chryst will get most of the snaps, even more than against Utah, with Costello getting a token series or a token package, or reverting back to a conventional back-up, mop-up duty QB.
BC
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Based on gameplay so far Costello has been less likely to turn the ball over. Of course there's some big sample size problems there...
(10-09-2017, 02:21 PM)Goose link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17632.msg205397#msg205397 date=1507583430]I think it is clear that Shaw would prefer to play Chryst, because Shaw believes, probably correctly, that it is less probable that Chryst will make a mistake that turns the ball over. It is also probable that he will get us out of bad play calls that Costello may not. If Bryce Love is doing his thing, that will work just fine. Chryst is slow on the read option. but against Utah he sure looked faster than against UCLA. It was "good enough". Shaw is aware that Chryst probably isn't going to do anything extraordinary. If we are in trouble and Chryst doesn't seem to be doing the job, Costello will be sent out to fix it. Maybe not fair, but that is how it is. Costello is viewed as higher risk, higher reward.
Is it clear he hasn't already settled on Chryst? I would imagine that Chryst will get most of the snaps, even more than against Utah, with Costello getting a token series or a token package, or reverting back to a conventional back-up, mop-up duty QB.
BC
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Based on gameplay so far Costello has been less likely to turn the ball over. Of course there's some big sample size problems there...
10-09-2017, 06:57 PM
I wonder how much the long long term figures into the QB calculation. For example, if you were fairly sure that Mills is the next Andrew Luck and that he will be starting in his sophomore year, how would that affect your decisions between Chryst and Costello this year? Would it have any effect?Â
I wonder how much the long long term figures into the QB calculation. For example, if you were fairly sure that Mills is the next Andrew Luck and that he will be starting in his sophomore year, how would that affect your decisions between Chryst and Costello this year? Would it have any effect?Â
10-09-2017, 08:25 PM
Here is what Shaw is looking at: Last year at OREG, Chryst threw 19 for 26 for 258yds (10yd per attempt), 3 TDs, no INTs, and an NCAA QBR of 93.7. Rector 2TDs, JJAW for 1. That is as good as it gets, with McCaffrey and Love in your backfield. McCaff ran for 3TDs.
Mix it up. Oregon uses a 350lb nose tackle on run downs. Throw it and create space for Love. Avoid up the middle.Â
Mix it up. Oregon uses a 350lb nose tackle on run downs. Throw it and create space for Love. Avoid up the middle.Â
Just love slamming those over-hyped beach body schools.
If you heard Cal Sucks, you'd be right.
Here is what Shaw is looking at: Last year at OREG, Chryst threw 19 for 26 for 258yds (10yd per attempt), 3 TDs, no INTs, and an NCAA QBR of 93.7. Rector 2TDs, JJAW for 1. That is as good as it gets, with McCaffrey and Love in your backfield. McCaff ran for 3TDs.
Mix it up. Oregon uses a 350lb nose tackle on run downs. Throw it and create space for Love. Avoid up the middle.Â
Mix it up. Oregon uses a 350lb nose tackle on run downs. Throw it and create space for Love. Avoid up the middle.Â
Just love slamming those over-hyped beach body schools.
If you heard Cal Sucks, you'd be right.
10-09-2017, 08:58 PM
(10-09-2017, 08:25 PM)ADPATERSON link Wrote:Here is what Shaw is looking at: Last year at OREG, Chryst threw 19 for 26 for 258yds (10yd per attempt), 3 TDs, no INTs, and an NCAA QBR of 93.7. Rector 2TDs, JJAW for 1. That is as good as it gets, with McCaffrey and Love in your backfield. McCaff ran for 3TDs.
Mix it up. Oregon uses a 350lb nose tackle on run downs. Throw it and create space for Love. Avoid up the middle.
We could always use this approach to that big guy in the middle. ;D
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Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip.
(10-09-2017, 08:25 PM)ADPATERSON link Wrote:Here is what Shaw is looking at: Last year at OREG, Chryst threw 19 for 26 for 258yds (10yd per attempt), 3 TDs, no INTs, and an NCAA QBR of 93.7. Rector 2TDs, JJAW for 1. That is as good as it gets, with McCaffrey and Love in your backfield. McCaff ran for 3TDs.
Mix it up. Oregon uses a 350lb nose tackle on run downs. Throw it and create space for Love. Avoid up the middle.
We could always use this approach to that big guy in the middle. ;D
Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip.
10-09-2017, 10:32 PM
If it worked once . . .
The Longest Yard . . . not a bad flick. (The original that is, never saw the Sandler remake).
The Longest Yard . . . not a bad flick. (The original that is, never saw the Sandler remake).
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