[BostonCard]

I don't know.  If you have McCaffrey at 205 lbs running a 4.49, but then you a chance at Cook and Fournett, whose 40 speed is not appreciably different, yet they weigh 35 lbs more... I'm thinking it doesn't change the needle much for CMac, but Fournette and Cook jumped further ahead.

BC

[BostonCard]

I don't know.  If you have McCaffrey at 205 lbs running a 4.49, but then you a chance at Cook and Fournett, whose 40 speed is not appreciably different, yet they weigh 35 lbs more... I'm thinking it doesn't change the needle much for CMac, but Fournette and Cook jumped further ahead.

BC

[OutsiderFan]

Mayock said on the broadcast that if McCaffrey ran a sub 4.5 he'd have done what was needed to solidify himself.  What makes him a first round pick is his versatility.  He can run, catch, run routes like a WR, and returns punts and kickoffs.  There is no way a guy with that much versatility lasts past the first round.

[OutsiderFan]

Mayock said on the broadcast that if McCaffrey ran a sub 4.5 he'd have done what was needed to solidify himself.  What makes him a first round pick is his versatility.  He can run, catch, run routes like a WR, and returns punts and kickoffs.  There is no way a guy with that much versatility lasts past the first round.

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

I don't know.  If you have McCaffrey at 205 lbs running a 4.49, but then you a chance at Cook and Fournett, whose 40 speed is not appreciably different, yet they weigh 35 lbs more... I'm thinking it doesn't change the needle much for CMac, but Fournette and Cook jumped further ahead.

BC

I think looking at weight + 40 is too macro. Fournette and McCaffrey are completely different backs, and I find it unlikely that any given team would seriously be debating between the two of them. Which one you like best depends completely on what you want him to do and who you already have on your roster. A team like the 49ers or Patriots would benefit much more from McCaffrey, while I think the Raiders or Redskins would be foolish to pass Fournette up if given the chance.

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

I don't know.  If you have McCaffrey at 205 lbs running a 4.49, but then you a chance at Cook and Fournett, whose 40 speed is not appreciably different, yet they weigh 35 lbs more... I'm thinking it doesn't change the needle much for CMac, but Fournette and Cook jumped further ahead.

BC

I think looking at weight + 40 is too macro. Fournette and McCaffrey are completely different backs, and I find it unlikely that any given team would seriously be debating between the two of them. Which one you like best depends completely on what you want him to do and who you already have on your roster. A team like the 49ers or Patriots would benefit much more from McCaffrey, while I think the Raiders or Redskins would be foolish to pass Fournette up if given the chance.

[FarmBoy]

What does it say when your bench press score is beat by 50 year old journalist... http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18815142

When the prospects crank out 20+ reps, I'm like, yeah, of course. But when Adam Schefter rips off 12 reps, I seriously impressed.

[FarmBoy]

What does it say when your bench press score is beat by 50 year old journalist... http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18815142

When the prospects crank out 20+ reps, I'm like, yeah, of course. But when Adam Schefter rips off 12 reps, I seriously impressed.

[DC 86]

What does it say when your bench press score is beat by 50 year old journalist... http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18815142

When the prospects crank out 20+ reps, I'm like, yeah, of course. But when Adam Schefter rips off 12 reps, I seriously impressed.

Did you watch the entire video?

[DC 86]

What does it say when your bench press score is beat by 50 year old journalist... http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18815142

When the prospects crank out 20+ reps, I'm like, yeah, of course. But when Adam Schefter rips off 12 reps, I seriously impressed.

Did you watch the entire video?

[82lsju]

[quote author=FarmBoy link=topic=16636.msg189392#msg189392 date=1488576064]
What does it say when your bench press score is beat by 50 year old journalist... http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18815142

When the prospects crank out 20+ reps, I'm like, yeah, of course. But when Adam Schefter rips off 12 reps, I seriously impressed.

Did you watch the entire video?
[/quote]

the guy at the end of the video is much stronger than he looks  :)

[82lsju]

[quote author=FarmBoy link=topic=16636.msg189392#msg189392 date=1488576064]
What does it say when your bench press score is beat by 50 year old journalist... http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18815142

When the prospects crank out 20+ reps, I'm like, yeah, of course. But when Adam Schefter rips off 12 reps, I seriously impressed.

Did you watch the entire video?
[/quote]

the guy at the end of the video is much stronger than he looks  :)

[BostonCard]

This may make the difference for CMac:

https://twitter.com/ezlazar/status/837781025191149568

Nice three cone result.

BC

[BostonCard]

This may make the difference for CMac:

https://twitter.com/ezlazar/status/837781025191149568

Nice three cone result.

BC

[Hurlburt88]

hard to imagine every team passing on him given this . . . of course we'll see

Back to the bench, IIRC multiple Stanford prospects have underwhelmed on this over the years, and I believe Shaw explained that it is not a focus of the Cardinal strength program.  Does anyone else recall something similar? 

[Hurlburt88]

hard to imagine every team passing on him given this . . . of course we'll see

Back to the bench, IIRC multiple Stanford prospects have underwhelmed on this over the years, and I believe Shaw explained that it is not a focus of the Cardinal strength program.  Does anyone else recall something similar? 

[pcgoode]

I watched the running backs portion of the combine, and while the 40 times for the four top backs (Cooke, Fournette, McCaffrey and Kamara) were all pretty close, it was clear to me that CMac's hands, and probably his feet, were a lot better than the others.  The analysts were saying the same kinds of things.  For example, I think I saw Fournette double catch at least two out of the four passes I saw thrown at him, whereas CMac looked like a polished slot receiver.  Similarly, CMac's feet around the cones and his route running were crisp and deliberate - the others were varying degrees of not as good.

This being said, I echo what others are saying - Fournette and CMac are apples and oranges.  Fournette is the back you want to carry the rock 30-plus time a game; CMac is the back you want to hand off to 15 times a game, throw six passes to, and return kicks.  I doubt teams are really comparing the two.

I could easily see CMac going in the first round based on what he did on the field today, but it wouldn't surprise me that much if he slipped into the second round either.

[pcgoode]

I watched the running backs portion of the combine, and while the 40 times for the four top backs (Cooke, Fournette, McCaffrey and Kamara) were all pretty close, it was clear to me that CMac's hands, and probably his feet, were a lot better than the others.  The analysts were saying the same kinds of things.  For example, I think I saw Fournette double catch at least two out of the four passes I saw thrown at him, whereas CMac looked like a polished slot receiver.  Similarly, CMac's feet around the cones and his route running were crisp and deliberate - the others were varying degrees of not as good.

This being said, I echo what others are saying - Fournette and CMac are apples and oranges.  Fournette is the back you want to carry the rock 30-plus time a game; CMac is the back you want to hand off to 15 times a game, throw six passes to, and return kicks.  I doubt teams are really comparing the two.

I could easily see CMac going in the first round based on what he did on the field today, but it wouldn't surprise me that much if he slipped into the second round either.

[BostonCard]

hard to imagine every team passing on him given this . . . of course we'll see

Back to the bench, IIRC multiple Stanford prospects have underwhelmed on this over the years, and I believe Shaw explained that it is not a focus of the Cardinal strength program.  Does anyone else recall something similar?

That is correct.  I believe the quote, in jest, was something to the effect of, "If you are bench pressing your opponent in a game, it's too late".

BC

[BostonCard]

hard to imagine every team passing on him given this . . . of course we'll see

Back to the bench, IIRC multiple Stanford prospects have underwhelmed on this over the years, and I believe Shaw explained that it is not a focus of the Cardinal strength program.  Does anyone else recall something similar?

That is correct.  I believe the quote, in jest, was something to the effect of, "If you are bench pressing your opponent in a game, it's too late".

BC

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

Bench rep data is pretty useless for most positions, especially running backs. It has some mild value as a window into a back's pass blocking ability, but even that isn't really applicable to McCaffrey. If he's on the field for a passing play it will be as a potential receiver, not a blocker.

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

Bench rep data is pretty useless for most positions, especially running backs. It has some mild value as a window into a back's pass blocking ability, but even that isn't really applicable to McCaffrey. If he's on the field for a passing play it will be as a potential receiver, not a blocker.

[martyup]

Christian McCaffrey dominated at the 2017 NFL Combine
Christian McCaffrey doesn’t think he gets credit for his abilities. His showing at the NFL Combine was a statement.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w...EoczgtzBHQ

[martyup]

Christian McCaffrey dominated at the 2017 NFL Combine
Christian McCaffrey doesn’t think he gets credit for his abilities. His showing at the NFL Combine was a statement.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w...EoczgtzBHQ

[Farm93]

CMac got so much blowback that I don't think you are going to see a lot of copycats.

Apparently better to miss a bus, miss curfew, fail a class, or even commit a crime.  All of those things get players sent home and are somehow acceptable in this meat market.

Funny thing though.  The NFL profile's second weakness for CMAC?  Too much of his tread used in college.

[Farm93]

CMac got so much blowback that I don't think you are going to see a lot of copycats.

Apparently better to miss a bus, miss curfew, fail a class, or even commit a crime.  All of those things get players sent home and are somehow acceptable in this meat market.

Funny thing though.  The NFL profile's second weakness for CMAC?  Too much of his tread used in college.

[vataha]

Way to go Christian! We're ALL behind you and supporting you. You will always be our boy!!!

[vataha]

Way to go Christian! We're ALL behind you and supporting you. You will always be our boy!!!

[standfan]

SB Nation:http://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/3/1480933...t-stanford


At 5’11, 202 pounds, he’s not a tiny running back at all. But he’s not quick or compactly built as the 5’10, 210-pound Dalvin Cook, and he’s not the tank that Leonard Fournette is at 6’0, 240 pounds. But he blew away Cook and Fournette in just about every drill in Indianapolis.

McCaffrey ran the 40-yard dash in 4.48 seconds, just ahead of Cook’s 4.49 and Fournette’s 4.51. And his bench press numbers were lacking. But in agility and explosion drills, McCaffrey dominated.

His 37.5-inch vertical was far better than Fournette’s 28.5 or Cook’s 30.5 jumps. He also posted a time of 6.57 seconds in the three-cone drill, one of the best ever marks in the drill.

[standfan]

SB Nation:http://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/3/1480933...t-stanford


At 5’11, 202 pounds, he’s not a tiny running back at all. But he’s not quick or compactly built as the 5’10, 210-pound Dalvin Cook, and he’s not the tank that Leonard Fournette is at 6’0, 240 pounds. But he blew away Cook and Fournette in just about every drill in Indianapolis.

McCaffrey ran the 40-yard dash in 4.48 seconds, just ahead of Cook’s 4.49 and Fournette’s 4.51. And his bench press numbers were lacking. But in agility and explosion drills, McCaffrey dominated.

His 37.5-inch vertical was far better than Fournette’s 28.5 or Cook’s 30.5 jumps. He also posted a time of 6.57 seconds in the three-cone drill, one of the best ever marks in the drill.

[BostonCard]

Looks like the consensus is he had a nice day:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...ra-impress

He's one of the "winners" of the day:

Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford: After posting a disappointing 10 reps in the bench press, McCaffrey put on a solid showing at the on-field workout. He alleviated some concerns about his speed and explosiveness with an impressive vertical jump (37.5 inches), broad jump (10 feet 1 inch) and 40-yard dash (4.48). During positional drills, he impressed scouts with his remarkable balance, body control, and agility. He is light on his feet, yet displays the ability to make hard cuts on a dime while changing directions. With the Stanford star also showing soft hands and terrific ball skills, he might have sealed his spot among the top four running backs in the 2017 class.

[BostonCard]

Looks like the consensus is he had a nice day:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...ra-impress

He's one of the "winners" of the day:

Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford: After posting a disappointing 10 reps in the bench press, McCaffrey put on a solid showing at the on-field workout. He alleviated some concerns about his speed and explosiveness with an impressive vertical jump (37.5 inches), broad jump (10 feet 1 inch) and 40-yard dash (4.48). During positional drills, he impressed scouts with his remarkable balance, body control, and agility. He is light on his feet, yet displays the ability to make hard cuts on a dime while changing directions. With the Stanford star also showing soft hands and terrific ball skills, he might have sealed his spot among the top four running backs in the 2017 class.

[needle]

Combine numbers are like earnings statements, all about analyst expectations.

C-Mac exceeded most analyst expectations.

I do recommend watching the vid, however. There is definitely some wow to watching him run the change of direction drills.

My best guess is that C-Mac will end up being picked closer to 25 than 35. I believe he'll be the second running back picked behind Cook.

[needle]

Combine numbers are like earnings statements, all about analyst expectations.

C-Mac exceeded most analyst expectations.

I do recommend watching the vid, however. There is definitely some wow to watching him run the change of direction drills.

My best guess is that C-Mac will end up being picked closer to 25 than 35. I believe he'll be the second running back picked behind Cook.

[Mick]

I don't know.  If you have McCaffrey at 205 lbs running a 4.49, but then you a chance at Cook and Fournett, whose 40 speed is not appreciably different, yet they weigh 35 lbs more... I'm thinking it doesn't change the needle much for CMac, but Fournette and Cook jumped further ahead.

BC

I think you're right.  I was reading that the 49ers have an eye on Fournette.

[Mick]

I don't know.  If you have McCaffrey at 205 lbs running a 4.49, but then you a chance at Cook and Fournett, whose 40 speed is not appreciably different, yet they weigh 35 lbs more... I'm thinking it doesn't change the needle much for CMac, but Fournette and Cook jumped further ahead.

BC

I think you're right.  I was reading that the 49ers have an eye on Fournette.

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=16636.msg189389#msg189389 date=1488574699]
I don't know.  If you have McCaffrey at 205 lbs running a 4.49, but then you a chance at Cook and Fournett, whose 40 speed is not appreciably different, yet they weigh 35 lbs more... I'm thinking it doesn't change the needle much for CMac, but Fournette and Cook jumped further ahead.

BC

I think you're right.  I was reading that the 49ers have an eye on Fournette.
[/quote]

Worth noting that 'tis the season to deceive.

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=16636.msg189389#msg189389 date=1488574699]
I don't know.  If you have McCaffrey at 205 lbs running a 4.49, but then you a chance at Cook and Fournett, whose 40 speed is not appreciably different, yet they weigh 35 lbs more... I'm thinking it doesn't change the needle much for CMac, but Fournette and Cook jumped further ahead.

BC

I think you're right.  I was reading that the 49ers have an eye on Fournette.
[/quote]

Worth noting that 'tis the season to deceive.

[DC 86]

I don't know.  If you have McCaffrey at 205 lbs running a 4.49, but then you a chance at Cook and Fournett, whose 40 speed is not appreciably different, yet they weigh 35 lbs more... I'm thinking it doesn't change the needle much for CMac, but Fournette and Cook jumped further ahead.

BC

Fournette weighed in at 240 lb, 38 more than McCaffrey, but Cook weighed in at 210 lb, only 8 more than McCaffrey.

[DC 86]

I don't know.  If you have McCaffrey at 205 lbs running a 4.49, but then you a chance at Cook and Fournett, whose 40 speed is not appreciably different, yet they weigh 35 lbs more... I'm thinking it doesn't change the needle much for CMac, but Fournette and Cook jumped further ahead.

BC

Fournette weighed in at 240 lb, 38 more than McCaffrey, but Cook weighed in at 210 lb, only 8 more than McCaffrey.