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You can't fire a coach one year after getting to the NCG.  No other coach would want the job.  Now, if he has another bad year next year, then it could be justified.

Remember, Stanford went 7-5 last year in Shaw's 4th year.  It's reasonable for Helfrich to struggle the 3rd year after Kelly, especially after losing Mariota.  Neither Stanford or Oregon recruits like Alabama.

Shaw appears to be getting Stanford back to an elite level one year after a dip.  If he does, he will have definitively proven he can win with all his own players and no EUTM residue.  Let's see what Helfrich does in 2016 before throwing him to the wolves and concluding he was simply riding the coattails of Kelly.

Last year Stanford actually did stuff well. What is Oregon doing well this year? Maybe they finish strong and it's the same type of thing as Shaw last year, but I don't think we ever looked so completely listless as Oregon did last night.

[stupac2]

You can't fire a coach one year after getting to the NCG.  No other coach would want the job.  Now, if he has another bad year next year, then it could be justified.

Remember, Stanford went 7-5 last year in Shaw's 4th year.  It's reasonable for Helfrich to struggle the 3rd year after Kelly, especially after losing Mariota.  Neither Stanford or Oregon recruits like Alabama.

Shaw appears to be getting Stanford back to an elite level one year after a dip.  If he does, he will have definitively proven he can win with all his own players and no EUTM residue.  Let's see what Helfrich does in 2016 before throwing him to the wolves and concluding he was simply riding the coattails of Kelly.

Last year Stanford actually did stuff well. What is Oregon doing well this year? Maybe they finish strong and it's the same type of thing as Shaw last year, but I don't think we ever looked so completely listless as Oregon did last night.