[JohnR34231]

The days when college coaches stayed for 20 years are over.  Even if they flop in the pros (Spurrier, Saban, Pete Carroll1) the money is just too staggering not to go for it.  I don't think Shaw is headed for the Bentley dealer any time soon.

Agree. If Shaw is as successful here as we hope he is going to be, he's the NFL's eventually. I'm just hopeful we can a little more out of him than we did Harbaugh (I think we will).

[JohnR34231]

The days when college coaches stayed for 20 years are over.  Even if they flop in the pros (Spurrier, Saban, Pete Carroll1) the money is just too staggering not to go for it.  I don't think Shaw is headed for the Bentley dealer any time soon.

Agree. If Shaw is as successful here as we hope he is going to be, he's the NFL's eventually. I'm just hopeful we can a little more out of him than we did Harbaugh (I think we will).

[DC]

I've always been of the mind that the verdict is out on Shaw's skill as a HC until his third season, unless he does something phenomenal in the first two. Winning the title last year would have met that criteria. Going to the RB this year would too. But barring that, I think we need to get a sample of 30+ games, and playing mostly players he recruited/developed, before we can truly tell his quality.

I agree.  The verdict is still out on Shaw.

[DC]

I've always been of the mind that the verdict is out on Shaw's skill as a HC until his third season, unless he does something phenomenal in the first two. Winning the title last year would have met that criteria. Going to the RB this year would too. But barring that, I think we need to get a sample of 30+ games, and playing mostly players he recruited/developed, before we can truly tell his quality.

I agree.  The verdict is still out on Shaw.

[CowboyIndian]

I agree.  The verdict is still out on Shaw.

As it is on all of us until we cross the divide...but I'll take - and applaud - what he's done for us so far.

[CowboyIndian]

I agree.  The verdict is still out on Shaw.

As it is on all of us until we cross the divide...but I'll take - and applaud - what he's done for us so far.

[DC]

[quote author=DC link=topic=6954.msg53264#msg53264 date=1353639412]
I agree.  The verdict is still out on Shaw.

As it is on all of us until we cross the divide...but I'll take - and applaud - what he's done for us so far.
[/quote]

As is your right to applaud. I am less of a fan of his than you are. I am not sure how good he is or isn't.

[DC]

[quote author=DC link=topic=6954.msg53264#msg53264 date=1353639412]
I agree.  The verdict is still out on Shaw.

As it is on all of us until we cross the divide...but I'll take - and applaud - what he's done for us so far.
[/quote]

As is your right to applaud. I am less of a fan of his than you are. I am not sure how good he is or isn't.

[ATLCard]

I suggest that Shaw-bashers hold off until after the next game.  Not saying you are wrong, but your timing is a little ridiculous.

[ATLCard]

I suggest that Shaw-bashers hold off until after the next game.  Not saying you are wrong, but your timing is a little ridiculous.

[OutsiderFan]

I may be a bit pollyana-ish here, but here goes...

Does David Shaw strike anyone here as naive?  Does he seem like someone unable to project his future?  I've heard people say all coaches say they want to be at a place forever when hired, so Shaw's comments about wanting to be a lifer at Stanford should be taken with a grain of salt.  Maybe, but let's look at some pretty strong evidence to support the case that he wasn't blowing smoke when he said it at his intro presser.

First of all, let's just look at the fact he is a Stanford alum and played football at Stanford under his greatest coaching hero beyond his own father, Bill Walsh.  The program and school means more to him than anyone who has coached Stanford football, maybe ever.  That Ron George interview should remind people why Shaw might find Stanford so special and might not want to leave.

Second, let's look at the language he used in that intro presser to express his sentiments about not looking to move on to other jobs.  He said he went after the job with the idea in mind he never wants to interview for another job again in his life.  And he said he wanted to become an institution like Tara Vanderveer.  Those are very forceful examples of wanting to stay, like he wanted to go way beyond what was necessary to answer the question, to leave no doubt he wants Stanford to be his first and last head coaching job.

Third, let's look at guys like Chris Pedersen at Boise State and Mark Few at Gonzaga.  These guys aren't even alums of their school employers, yet even though they could get paid much more elsewhere, they aren't interested in leaving the jobs they have.  Some people aren't just looking for a bigger paycheck.

Fourth, David Shaw is a goal-oriented and driven guy with a lot of confidence.  Does anybody think he is surprised to be 9-2 with a shot at another BCS game, and potentially a conference championship in his second year?  Does anyone think he wasn't able to project that he would be highly sought after as a coach if he led his team to such performances?  And given this, does David Shaw seem like a guy who would so brazenly mislead people about his desire to remain at Stanford for his entire coaching career?  Maybe, but is seems highly unlikely.

Just like many Stanford people didn't think their team was good enough to beat Oregon (had little faith), it seems there are some who think their school and program isn't good enough (in whatever form goodness takes for you; money, attention, coaching challenge, etc.) to keep Shaw if he has the success he was confident he would have as head coach when hired.  It might be time to show some confidence that Stanford may very well be where Shaw wants to be more than any other place, and believe he will take less compensation than he could get elsewhere to stay in his dream job.

I agree with everyone that says Derek Mason is the guy to be most concerned about, but I'm not sure he even wants to be a head coach.  Not everybody does, either because they don't want all the responsibilities that come with it, or they just want to focus on the one thing they do really well, in Mason's case, run the defense for a coach he enjoys working for and he trusts to take care of him.

[OutsiderFan]

I may be a bit pollyana-ish here, but here goes...

Does David Shaw strike anyone here as naive?  Does he seem like someone unable to project his future?  I've heard people say all coaches say they want to be at a place forever when hired, so Shaw's comments about wanting to be a lifer at Stanford should be taken with a grain of salt.  Maybe, but let's look at some pretty strong evidence to support the case that he wasn't blowing smoke when he said it at his intro presser.

First of all, let's just look at the fact he is a Stanford alum and played football at Stanford under his greatest coaching hero beyond his own father, Bill Walsh.  The program and school means more to him than anyone who has coached Stanford football, maybe ever.  That Ron George interview should remind people why Shaw might find Stanford so special and might not want to leave.

Second, let's look at the language he used in that intro presser to express his sentiments about not looking to move on to other jobs.  He said he went after the job with the idea in mind he never wants to interview for another job again in his life.  And he said he wanted to become an institution like Tara Vanderveer.  Those are very forceful examples of wanting to stay, like he wanted to go way beyond what was necessary to answer the question, to leave no doubt he wants Stanford to be his first and last head coaching job.

Third, let's look at guys like Chris Pedersen at Boise State and Mark Few at Gonzaga.  These guys aren't even alums of their school employers, yet even though they could get paid much more elsewhere, they aren't interested in leaving the jobs they have.  Some people aren't just looking for a bigger paycheck.

Fourth, David Shaw is a goal-oriented and driven guy with a lot of confidence.  Does anybody think he is surprised to be 9-2 with a shot at another BCS game, and potentially a conference championship in his second year?  Does anyone think he wasn't able to project that he would be highly sought after as a coach if he led his team to such performances?  And given this, does David Shaw seem like a guy who would so brazenly mislead people about his desire to remain at Stanford for his entire coaching career?  Maybe, but is seems highly unlikely.

Just like many Stanford people didn't think their team was good enough to beat Oregon (had little faith), it seems there are some who think their school and program isn't good enough (in whatever form goodness takes for you; money, attention, coaching challenge, etc.) to keep Shaw if he has the success he was confident he would have as head coach when hired.  It might be time to show some confidence that Stanford may very well be where Shaw wants to be more than any other place, and believe he will take less compensation than he could get elsewhere to stay in his dream job.

I agree with everyone that says Derek Mason is the guy to be most concerned about, but I'm not sure he even wants to be a head coach.  Not everybody does, either because they don't want all the responsibilities that come with it, or they just want to focus on the one thing they do really well, in Mason's case, run the defense for a coach he enjoys working for and he trusts to take care of him.

[CowboyIndian]

[quote author=CowboyIndian link=topic=6954.msg53271#msg53271 date=1353649906]
As is your right to applaud. I am less of a fan of his than you are. I am not sure how good he is or isn't.

Big of you. Really? It's an ongoing process and he was pretty damned good last week...unless you weren't satisfied with beating Oregon at their place. Maybe he should have burned down Eugene on his way to the airport.

[CowboyIndian]

[quote author=CowboyIndian link=topic=6954.msg53271#msg53271 date=1353649906]
As is your right to applaud. I am less of a fan of his than you are. I am not sure how good he is or isn't.

Big of you. Really? It's an ongoing process and he was pretty damned good last week...unless you weren't satisfied with beating Oregon at their place. Maybe he should have burned down Eugene on his way to the airport.

[JohnR34231]

Who knows what he is going to do?

One thing I do know is that if he gets us to the Rose Bowl this year the offers are going to start coming in.

So we may have the opportunity to find out sooner rather than later.

[JohnR34231]

Who knows what he is going to do?

One thing I do know is that if he gets us to the Rose Bowl this year the offers are going to start coming in.

So we may have the opportunity to find out sooner rather than later.

[DC]

[quote author=DC link=topic=6954.msg53275#msg53275 date=1353655164]
[quote author=CowboyIndian link=topic=6954.msg53271#msg53271 date=1353649906]
As is your right to applaud. I am less of a fan of his than you are. I am not sure how good he is or isn't.

Big of you. Really? It's an ongoing process and he was pretty damned good last week...unless you weren't satisfied with beating Oregon at their place. Maybe he should have burned down Eugene on his way to the airport.
[/quote]

You have a right to applaud and I have a right to withhold judgment.  Clearly Oregon was his biggest triumph and he should be congratulated for it, but there are other things he hasn't done well, which have been well-documented on this forum.

[DC]

[quote author=DC link=topic=6954.msg53275#msg53275 date=1353655164]
[quote author=CowboyIndian link=topic=6954.msg53271#msg53271 date=1353649906]
As is your right to applaud. I am less of a fan of his than you are. I am not sure how good he is or isn't.

Big of you. Really? It's an ongoing process and he was pretty damned good last week...unless you weren't satisfied with beating Oregon at their place. Maybe he should have burned down Eugene on his way to the airport.
[/quote]

You have a right to applaud and I have a right to withhold judgment.  Clearly Oregon was his biggest triumph and he should be congratulated for it, but there are other things he hasn't done well, which have been well-documented on this forum.

[washingtonismoney]

I've always found it interesting that people are more willing to excuse a player's than a coach's flaws. You could grouse about certain stuff that Stepfan doesn't do, but that'd be churlish.

[washingtonismoney]

I've always found it interesting that people are more willing to excuse a player's than a coach's flaws. You could grouse about certain stuff that Stepfan doesn't do, but that'd be churlish.

[Leftcoast]

Shaw is also a young head coach with time and capacity to learn on the job. 

When I compare not just the results but the game plans for the two Oregon games, I see an intelligent coach learning from his (few) failures and building a platform to win against the elite programs of our time.  This is a good thing particularly for Stanford.  I may grouse about conservative calls, QB handling and the end game at the Fiesta Bowl but I'm proud he's our guy, I'm proud of the guys he leads, he's successful and I expect him to get even better as he grows into the job.

All of which must be scary thoughts for our opponents.

Hey, anyone envy the B.ear fans just now?

[Leftcoast]

Shaw is also a young head coach with time and capacity to learn on the job. 

When I compare not just the results but the game plans for the two Oregon games, I see an intelligent coach learning from his (few) failures and building a platform to win against the elite programs of our time.  This is a good thing particularly for Stanford.  I may grouse about conservative calls, QB handling and the end game at the Fiesta Bowl but I'm proud he's our guy, I'm proud of the guys he leads, he's successful and I expect him to get even better as he grows into the job.

All of which must be scary thoughts for our opponents.

Hey, anyone envy the B.ear fans just now?

[76lsjumb]

I've always found it interesting that people are more willing to excuse a player's than a coach's flaws. You could grouse about certain stuff that Stepfan doesn't do, but that'd be churlish.

Unless, of course, that player's name happens to be Nunes...

[76lsjumb]

I've always found it interesting that people are more willing to excuse a player's than a coach's flaws. You could grouse about certain stuff that Stepfan doesn't do, but that'd be churlish.

Unless, of course, that player's name happens to be Nunes...

[washingtonismoney]

Hard not to read this line without thinking that some sort of extension is being worked on:

"How he has handled himself during the course of the year, through thick and thin and the grind of the year, has been impressive," athletic director Bernard Muir said Sunday.

He wouldn't discuss any possible rewriting of Shaw's contract two years into it. "The bottom line is we want him to be here for a long, long time," he said.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/collegesports/arti...z2DLRr94ka

[washingtonismoney]

Hard not to read this line without thinking that some sort of extension is being worked on:

"How he has handled himself during the course of the year, through thick and thin and the grind of the year, has been impressive," athletic director Bernard Muir said Sunday.

He wouldn't discuss any possible rewriting of Shaw's contract two years into it. "The bottom line is we want him to be here for a long, long time," he said.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/collegesports/arti...z2DLRr94ka

[BrevinsBest]

Peter King, through interviews with NFL executives, ranks Chip Kelly and David Shaw as the top 2 coaches in college football who are candidates for NFL jobs. That's sort of a scary thought.

[BrevinsBest]

Peter King, through interviews with NFL executives, ranks Chip Kelly and David Shaw as the top 2 coaches in college football who are candidates for NFL jobs. That's sort of a scary thought.

[yvonne]

He's not going to the NFL — this year.

[yvonne]

He's not going to the NFL — this year.

[fullmetal]

Listening to Mack Brown's presser on the radio just now has made me incredibly grateful for this Stanford team and its coaches (and a regrettably necessary QB change).

Also, Skip Bayless thinks Harbaugh is coaching scared with his QB switch.  Skip can stuff it.  Harbaugh > Bayless.

[fullmetal]

Listening to Mack Brown's presser on the radio just now has made me incredibly grateful for this Stanford team and its coaches (and a regrettably necessary QB change).

Also, Skip Bayless thinks Harbaugh is coaching scared with his QB switch.  Skip can stuff it.  Harbaugh > Bayless.

[oman]

Mack Brown presser.

You are a glutton for punishment.

[oman]

Mack Brown presser.

You are a glutton for punishment.

[Redrum]

They might go after Mason.  The wildcard is just-fired Gene Chizik.  He jumped ship w/  Longhorns for his first HC job at Iowa St., then got the equivalent of being hit by a meteor from space:  an offer to be HC in the SEC despite a 5-19 record.  Now he's done after 3 yrs. w/ Auburn.  BUT everywhere he goes the defenses seem to get better, in some cases much better.  If Mack Brown isn't hacked off at him,  Chizik could return there and odds are he could help them in a hurry.  But, he's being paid to go fishing for a couple of years and may not want the UT job.  Which brings us back to Mason.  UT would be a big step up in pay and visibility,  exposure that could set him up for a head coaching job  (if one hasn't come along already).

[Redrum]

They might go after Mason.  The wildcard is just-fired Gene Chizik.  He jumped ship w/  Longhorns for his first HC job at Iowa St., then got the equivalent of being hit by a meteor from space:  an offer to be HC in the SEC despite a 5-19 record.  Now he's done after 3 yrs. w/ Auburn.  BUT everywhere he goes the defenses seem to get better, in some cases much better.  If Mack Brown isn't hacked off at him,  Chizik could return there and odds are he could help them in a hurry.  But, he's being paid to go fishing for a couple of years and may not want the UT job.  Which brings us back to Mason.  UT would be a big step up in pay and visibility,  exposure that could set him up for a head coaching job  (if one hasn't come along already).

[washingtonismoney]

Other than money, I don't see the point in jumping to another college defensive coordinator spot for Mason. The Stanford defense is customized to what he wants to do and might well be even better next year (along with a decent shot at a national title.) Not too many college DC spots can say the same.

[washingtonismoney]

Other than money, I don't see the point in jumping to another college defensive coordinator spot for Mason. The Stanford defense is customized to what he wants to do and might well be even better next year (along with a decent shot at a national title.) Not too many college DC spots can say the same.

[oman]

I just see the Stanford model as linked with the NFL -- the Harbaugh, Dennis Green, Walsh approach.

The broken Texas model is really biased towards "highest paid coach in college football" model. 

In other words, why would Pep Hamilton and Mason even want to mess with that mess that is college football in the Confederate States of America?  They are in the least insane of major college conferences and they have connections in the NFL.

[oman]

I just see the Stanford model as linked with the NFL -- the Harbaugh, Dennis Green, Walsh approach.

The broken Texas model is really biased towards "highest paid coach in college football" model. 

In other words, why would Pep Hamilton and Mason even want to mess with that mess that is college football in the Confederate States of America?  They are in the least insane of major college conferences and they have connections in the NFL.