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Re: Hooper, he gone - FarmBoy - 01-05-2016

When god made Gronkowski, he broke the mold. Or at least, she won't use the mold for a few more decades. The guy is a one of a kind, and I despise the Pats. But Hooper will be solid.

Re: Hooper, he gone - TRD - 01-05-2016

Kellen Winslow (sr.) was gronk before gronk.

Re: Hooper, he gone - CTcard - 01-05-2016

(01-05-2016, 06:01 AM)TRD link Wrote:Peat, Reynolds, luck, and Alex Carter all left early.

Peat and Carter left Stanford after three years, and I think have not received a degree yet.

They were also the first Stanford players to leave for the NFL after three years in a long time (since Teyo Johnson?).

Luck and Reynolds (and several others) left after their senior years, and I think both received a degree. I do not consider that leaving early, despite having another year of eligibility in their pocket.

Hooper would presumably fall into the same category as Peat and Carter, though I don't know anything about his academic status.
[Most draftable baseball players leave after three years, but many manage to graduate nonetheless. It does take planning and work.]

Re: Hooper, he gone - JohnR34231 - 01-05-2016

(01-05-2016, 06:01 AM)TRD link Wrote:[quote author=JPRI link=topic=14293.msg151226#msg151226 date=1451997495]
It sucks, but I suppose players leaving early is an inevitable product of success on the football field.

Also, it is of course Hooper's life, not any of ours.

completely agree.

Peat, Reynolds, luck, and Alex Carter all left early.
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Luck had his degree. I don't really consider a player leaving after he has his degree "leaving early" (for whatever that's worth).

Re: Hooper, he gone - winflop - 01-05-2016

If the kid gets his degree I'm all good with it.Â If not, then I hope at a minimum he comes back during the offseason to get it done.

Hooper, Peat & Carter have all left after three years on campus.Â No way they got their degrees, especially given that Peat & Carter didn't even finish that third year.Â Luck & Reynolds got their degrees.

Re: Hooper, he gone - Mick - 01-05-2016

(01-04-2016, 10:10 PM)winflop link Wrote:[quote author=Mick link=topic=14293.msg151056#msg151056 date=1451939689]
I wish him the best, I hope he hits third round or better.Â Candidly, I don't think he will, but I really hope he does.

I don't think he'd leave unless his draft eval came back top 2 rounds and/or #1 TE in draft.
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I really hope so.Â the top four tight ends in 2015 were taken late in the second round and the third round.Â Right now, the top five Tight Ends are projected to go before the fourth round, everyone else falls after that.Â Those five are:

Hunter Henry, Arkansas, jr., 6-5, 253, 1-2
Jordan Leggett, Clemson, jr., 6-4, 255, 2-3
Nick Vannett, Ohio State, rSr., 6-6, 260, 3
Bryce Williams, East Carolina, rSr., 6-6, 258, 3
Tyler Higbeen, Western Kentucky, rSr., 6-5, 233, 3-4

Re: Hooper, he gone - AthleticsDynasty - 01-05-2016

I must say players leaving after 3 years stinks. I always thought Stanford was special. Players leaving LSU or Alabama after 3 years sort of made sense, they might not be great students and struggled to stay eligible and/or its just easy to go back pay cheap in-state tuition and finish their kinesiology degree. But when it came to Stanford a degree was worth any risk of playing college football for another year

Re: Hooper, he gone - Stymie - 01-05-2016

The two best athletes who entered Stanford in my life--John McEnroe and Tiger Woods--never came close to graduating.

Good luck to Hoop, he played for us well.

Re: Hooper, he gone - stanfan - 01-05-2016

Obviously don't know anything about Hoops personal situation, but it seems a curious decision from a draft standpoint.Â Thanks for his hard work and great play.Â We will miss him and wish him the best, hoping he makes use of the 40 year benefit by coming back to finish his degree.

Re: Hooper, he gone - TrumpCard - 01-05-2016

does hooper's decision make it more likely that Schultz will have a big year and go early too?

Re: Hooper, he gone - OutsiderFan - 01-05-2016

(01-05-2016, 09:00 AM)AthleticsDynasty link Wrote:I must say players leaving after 3 years stinks. I always thought Stanford was special. Players leaving LSU or Alabama after 3 years sort of made sense, they might not be great students and struggled to stay eligible and/or its just easy to go back pay cheap in-state tuition and finish their kinesiology degree. But when it came to Stanford a degree was worth any risk of playing college football for another year

Why not go to Stanford, even if you know going in that if you are a top NFL draft prospect after three years you will leave.Â I could easily see Stanford's recruiting pitch being:

We know you want to play in the NFL.Â That's why we are recruiting you.Â But for whatever reason you might not be able to make the jump to that next level.Â If you come to Stanford you have the option to leave early if you are a coveted top draft prospect, but if you aren't, you have the best Plan B any football player could have.Â If you leave early, you can come back and finish your degree if it's important for you.Â But once on campus you may decide to put off the NFL because you want to graduate with your class.Â You may even decide you'd rather not play in the NFL at all, but want to be a 5th year Senior who gets in a year of grad school.Â No matter what, we prepare you for football at the next level and give you the opportunity to have a degree that sets you apart in the job market.

Re: Hooper, he gone - Mick - 01-05-2016

(01-05-2016, 09:00 AM)AthleticsDynasty link Wrote:I must say players leaving after 3 years stinks. I always thought Stanford was special. Players leaving LSU or Alabama after 3 years sort of made sense, they might not be great students and struggled to stay eligible and/or its just easy to go back pay cheap in-state tuition and finish their kinesiology degree. But when it came to Stanford a degree was worth any risk of playing college football for another year

Re: Hooper, he gone - AthleticsDynasty - 01-05-2016

(01-05-2016, 09:55 AM)Mick link Wrote:[quote author=AthleticsDynasty link=topic=14293.msg151251#msg151251 date=1452009651]
I must say players leaving after 3 years stinks. I always thought Stanford was special. Players leaving LSU or Alabama after 3 years sort of made sense, they might not be great students and struggled to stay eligible and/or its just easy to go back pay cheap in-state tuition and finish their kinesiology degree. But when it came to Stanford a degree was worth any risk of playing college football for another year

Well, I wonder about that.Â Ever since I was a little kid, it was drummed into my head how critically important it is to graduate...and by and large, I agree with that assessment.Â I think for the vast majority of people, a degree (Stanford or not) is far preferable to no degree, and yes of course...a Stanford degree even more so.Â

I started to change my thinking in my mid-30s when I figured out what these 11 people had in common: Henry Ford, Mary Kay Ash, Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Rachel Ray, Steven Spielberg, Mark Zuckerberg and John D. Rockefeller...didn't graduate college.Â And let's throw in Sam Walton, Amancio Ortega, Michele Ferrero, Francois Pinault, Ralph Lauren, Richard Branson, Steve Jobs, Ingvar Kamprad and Oprah Winfrey.Â Not only did they not graduate from college, they're all billionaires.

My younger son secured entrance at a well-known Ivy.Â He's very tight with several truly brilliant young tech entrepreneurs who want him to forego his last two years of college and join their company.Â Their list of advisors is a who's who of tech.Â Mrs. Mick has reluctantly agreed...I told him he'd be crazy not to do it.

And with athletes...their shelf life is short.Â I wish them good luck and godspeed.Â I tell them what I told my son, return and get your degree if at all possible.
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My thing is why and when did it become so urgent to jump at that first opportunity?

It wasn't that long ago when guys like Peyton Manning, Orlando Pace and Ricky Williams some of the greatest prospects ever stayed in school. He was the best player in the country this year but I swear Ricky Williams was twice as good as Christian and came back for his senior year. If it were to even be suggested that Christian should play 4 years it would be thought of as idiotic and selfish, "what more does he have to prove at the college level? Running backs take too many hits, he is shortening his career" etc.

How do you go from Peyton Manning playing 4 years to literally having one of the worst QBs in the nation entering the draft(the Penn State QB)?

What caused this massive shift in mindset?

/end rant

Re: Hooper, he gone - JohnR34231 - 01-05-2016

(01-05-2016, 12:19 PM)AthleticsDynasty link Wrote:[quote author=Mick link=topic=14293.msg151260#msg151260 date=1452012907]
[quote author=AthleticsDynasty link=topic=14293.msg151251#msg151251 date=1452009651]
I must say players leaving after 3 years stinks. I always thought Stanford was special. Players leaving LSU or Alabama after 3 years sort of made sense, they might not be great students and struggled to stay eligible and/or its just easy to go back pay cheap in-state tuition and finish their kinesiology degree. But when it came to Stanford a degree was worth any risk of playing college football for another year

Re: Hooper, he gone - stupac2 - 01-05-2016

It's weirder for Christian since it's not like his family is desperately poor and needs the money that the NFL will bring. I get it when it's someone in those circumstances, but the McCaffreys are probably quite wealthy. Getting the NFL contract this year won't materially change their lives any, which almost certainly isn't true of many NFL prospects (like, from the sounds of it, Henry). Sure, it's not Christian's money, but he'll make plenty over his career anyway (barring injury, obviously). So if you're looking at without that in play, you have:

Pro-leaving

1) Less wear-and-tear on your body, which could (but isn't guaranteed to!) increase NFL legacy and total NFL earnings.
2) Less time spent under the NCAA's idiotic restrictions.
3) Can still finish degree eventually.

Pro-staying

1) More time to cement CFB legacy.
2) More time with classmates, in the college environment, etc.
3) Get degree in the "normal" time, which is also within NCAA's/fed's window, helps program.

So really it comes down to whether you want to get your degree in the standard time, have another year of being a college kid, and helping your alma mater out, or whether you want the challenge of the NFL and the freedom of being fully an adult. It's not obvious that someone in Christian's situation would definitely want to leave, and as we saw with Luck those players don't always leave, even if the pundits take it for granted that they will. (I don't know if Hooper's in this situation, I know nothing about his family.)

JPRI, if anything the money is worse now than it was then, since there's now a rookie wage scale and back then there wasn't. Manning signed a 6-year, $48M deal with a $11.6M signing bonus in 1998, whereas Winston's deal last year was 4-years for $25.35M (details apparently not known). So despite a massive inflation in the salary cap (and a bunch of general inflation since then), the deals for the #1 pick aren't that much more generous now than they were in the late nineties.

But, of course, if you're drafted in the first couple of rounds the money is still quite a lot in nominal terms, and to shrug that off for a year you and your family have to already be quite comfortable.

Re: Hooper, he gone - washingtonismoney - 01-05-2016

So stupac hits on the economic incentive. Because the rookie contracts are so low these days, there's not a brobdingnagian difference between being a 3rd or 4th rounder. Hence the incentive is to get your rookie deal over as quickly as possible and get to the second contract, which is where the real money is.

Re: Hooper, he gone - stupac2 - 01-05-2016

(01-05-2016, 01:00 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:So stupac hits on the economic incentive. Because the rookie contracts are so low these days, there's not a of exceedingly large proportions difference between being a 3rd or 4th rounder. Hence the incentive is to get your rookie deal over as quickly as possible and get to the second contract, which is where the real money is.

Well, unless you have the potential to move from a 3rd-rounder to a 1st-rounder, the difference in earnings there is meaningful. But that's not especially likely for any given player. And the issue is still about timing, that is whether that extra year of no money matters to you, which is highly dependent on circumstances.

Anyway the takeaway is that this is a highly personal decision with no real right answer. I can understand leaving early, even if you're a mid-round prospect, and I can understanding staying, even if you're a sure-fire #1 overall.

Re: Hooper, he gone - AthleticsDynasty - 01-05-2016

(01-05-2016, 12:38 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:It's weirder for Christian since it's not like his family is desperately poor and needs the money that the NFL will bring. I get it when it's someone in those circumstances, but the McCaffreys are probably quite wealthy.

I thought the same about Carter and Peat who are sons of NFL players just like Christian

Re: Hooper, he gone - TreesAndBirds - 01-05-2016

It would be interesting to have some of the guys who were faced with the decision to go early, and made a decision one way or the other, come back now and give their thoughts on the decision they made with the benefit of hindsight.

Re: Hooper, he gone - AthleticsDynasty - 01-05-2016

(01-05-2016, 02:36 PM)TreesAndBirds link Wrote:It would be interesting to have some of the guys who were faced with the decision to go early, and made a decision one way or the other, come back now and give their thoughts on the decision they made with the benefit of hindsight.

I have heard Basketball players talk about it. I think it was Ralph Sampson. He said that they didn't even consider the NBA until his legacy was cemented in college. And that says a lot considering Ralph Sampson won player of the year 3 years in a row and would of been the #1 pick out of HS over Magic Johnson.

Not sure what created the urgency for guys to turn pro. I know in the NBA like the first 10 guys to come straight from HS all ended up being stars. Maybe they just made it look easy? It spiraled out of control though.