[washingtonismoney]

So the question is then does Chryst improve more practicing as a red shirt and starting next year with no game experience or coming into next year with 6 or so games to learn about D1 game speed?

The question of next year is intriguing as I can't imagine Hogan being a draftable QB.

The proper time to play a true freshman QB is almost never. Don't do it.*

* (The problem is that true freshman QBs aren't just incompetent, they develop worse than their redshirted peers. For example, we've all seen QBs subjected to heavy pass rushes get antsy for their entire careers -- Brett Hundley is the best example of this, or maybe David Carr. And given our offensive line's inability to block anyone, I think it's a pretty bad idea to see if Keller Chryst is the exception here.)

[washingtonismoney]

So the question is then does Chryst improve more practicing as a red shirt and starting next year with no game experience or coming into next year with 6 or so games to learn about D1 game speed?

The question of next year is intriguing as I can't imagine Hogan being a draftable QB.

The proper time to play a true freshman QB is almost never. Don't do it.*

* (The problem is that true freshman QBs aren't just incompetent, they develop worse than their redshirted peers. For example, we've all seen QBs subjected to heavy pass rushes get antsy for their entire careers -- Brett Hundley is the best example of this, or maybe David Carr. And given our offensive line's inability to block anyone, I think it's a pretty bad idea to see if Keller Chryst is the exception here.)

[washingtonismoney]

To wit: http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/8/...uarterback

Here's the upshot. There were 27 true freshman QBs who attempted 100+ passes between 2008-12. Of those QBs, only 6 finished with above-average NCAA passer ratings. (Note that the guy people are trying to run off is comfortably above average -- like a 150 NCAA passer rating vs. a 130 NCAA average.) Of those six, most of them went on to become stars.

Of the other 21, not one has made an all-conference team or played in a BCS for the rest of their career. One has been drafted.

True freshman QBs generally stink and show little reward for that stinkage. Let Chryst redshirt.

[washingtonismoney]

To wit: http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/8/...uarterback

Here's the upshot. There were 27 true freshman QBs who attempted 100+ passes between 2008-12. Of those QBs, only 6 finished with above-average NCAA passer ratings. (Note that the guy people are trying to run off is comfortably above average -- like a 150 NCAA passer rating vs. a 130 NCAA average.) Of those six, most of them went on to become stars.

Of the other 21, not one has made an all-conference team or played in a BCS for the rest of their career. One has been drafted.

True freshman QBs generally stink and show little reward for that stinkage. Let Chryst redshirt.

[dabigv13]

I agree that going to Chryst is probably not going to turn around the offense this year, so putting Hogan into the best position to succeed is our best bet. I haven't heard a good reason why increasing the number of zone read plays isn't a good thought. WIM?

[dabigv13]

I agree that going to Chryst is probably not going to turn around the offense this year, so putting Hogan into the best position to succeed is our best bet. I haven't heard a good reason why increasing the number of zone read plays isn't a good thought. WIM?

[Cardinal96]

To wit: http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/8/...uarterback

Here's the upshot. There were 27 true freshman QBs who attempted 100+ passes between 2008-12. Of those QBs, only 6 finished with above-average NCAA passer ratings. (Note that the guy people are trying to run off is comfortably above average -- like a 150 NCAA passer rating vs. a 130 NCAA average.) Of those six, most of them went on to become stars.

Of the other 21, not one has made an all-conference team or played in a BCS for the rest of their career. One has been drafted.

True freshman QBs generally stink and show little reward for that stinkage. Let Chryst redshirt.

I don't know.  It certainly seemed to help Goff.  And our offensive line has under-performed big time this year but they are still a decent pass blocking unit.

[Cardinal96]

To wit: http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/8/...uarterback

Here's the upshot. There were 27 true freshman QBs who attempted 100+ passes between 2008-12. Of those QBs, only 6 finished with above-average NCAA passer ratings. (Note that the guy people are trying to run off is comfortably above average -- like a 150 NCAA passer rating vs. a 130 NCAA average.) Of those six, most of them went on to become stars.

Of the other 21, not one has made an all-conference team or played in a BCS for the rest of their career. One has been drafted.

True freshman QBs generally stink and show little reward for that stinkage. Let Chryst redshirt.

I don't know.  It certainly seemed to help Goff.  And our offensive line has under-performed big time this year but they are still a decent pass blocking unit.

[washingtonismoney]

I agree that going to Chryst is probably not going to turn around the offense this year, so putting Hogan into the best position to succeed is our best bet. I haven't heard a good reason why increasing the number of zone read plays isn't a good thought. WIM?

Hell if I know. I found the number of called runs out of the shotgun that lacked an option element -- whether that's Hogan running or passing -- to be completely bizarre and dumb. We've done it before. We know it's effective. We barely tried today.

[washingtonismoney]

I agree that going to Chryst is probably not going to turn around the offense this year, so putting Hogan into the best position to succeed is our best bet. I haven't heard a good reason why increasing the number of zone read plays isn't a good thought. WIM?

Hell if I know. I found the number of called runs out of the shotgun that lacked an option element -- whether that's Hogan running or passing -- to be completely bizarre and dumb. We've done it before. We know it's effective. We barely tried today.

[washingtonismoney]

I don't know.  It certainly seemed to help Goff.  And our offensive line has under-performed big time this year but they are still a decent pass blocking unit.

Well, look. First of all, do we know Goff's the better for it? Hard to know with the counterfactual. And hard to say a year that ends with a major injury is a gamble I approve of. Does it sometimes apparently help QBs? Sure. To that, I say, look at the odds! Most QBs who try this end up stinking. Why risk it with a promising prospect?

And decent? You must have seen a different OL than I did today. They had no idea what to do with ND's blitzing. A QB less elusive than Hogan would have gotten sacked five or six times. And we have no idea what Chryst's skillset is at the major college level. Is he elusive? He flashed elusiveness in his high school tape. But we don't know if that translates.

Given the history of true freshmen QBs, I see little reason to risk it -- especially since we know Hogan can be an effective quarterback. Why not...figure out how to make that work again?

[washingtonismoney]

I don't know.  It certainly seemed to help Goff.  And our offensive line has under-performed big time this year but they are still a decent pass blocking unit.

Well, look. First of all, do we know Goff's the better for it? Hard to know with the counterfactual. And hard to say a year that ends with a major injury is a gamble I approve of. Does it sometimes apparently help QBs? Sure. To that, I say, look at the odds! Most QBs who try this end up stinking. Why risk it with a promising prospect?

And decent? You must have seen a different OL than I did today. They had no idea what to do with ND's blitzing. A QB less elusive than Hogan would have gotten sacked five or six times. And we have no idea what Chryst's skillset is at the major college level. Is he elusive? He flashed elusiveness in his high school tape. But we don't know if that translates.

Given the history of true freshmen QBs, I see little reason to risk it -- especially since we know Hogan can be an effective quarterback. Why not...figure out how to make that work again?

[fullmetal]

OL's run blocking is soft, not blowing holes or driving defensive front sevens off the line :(  We can only run by mismatch, not by execution.  brobdingnagian weak point.

Hogan looks vulnerable.  Watching the ASU/U$C game inflight, you can see quick, confident throws from both sides' QBs down the middle of the field (receivers also spreading the field).  If you can't run, you have to be able to pass well.  Get it together, #8.  Your team needs you.  And why aren't we using our cadre of speedy WRs to spread the field like ASU/U$C?

[fullmetal]

OL's run blocking is soft, not blowing holes or driving defensive front sevens off the line :(  We can only run by mismatch, not by execution.  brobdingnagian weak point.

Hogan looks vulnerable.  Watching the ASU/U$C game inflight, you can see quick, confident throws from both sides' QBs down the middle of the field (receivers also spreading the field).  If you can't run, you have to be able to pass well.  Get it together, #8.  Your team needs you.  And why aren't we using our cadre of speedy WRs to spread the field like ASU/U$C?

[CTcard]

Our weakest link in my opinion is the quarterback position. 

It's pretty hard to define a weak link when there are simply no links doing anything anywhere.

The OLine was hideous today. No push - 47 net yards rushing, players individually beaten in the pass rush, confusion on blitzes, all sorts of doubling of guy A while guy B runs at the QB, false start penalties ... no holding penalties though.

The WRs were hideous today. Dropped balls all around, particularly by our star. Guys jogging down the field beside DBs. Not coming back to help QB under pressure. 

The RBs were hideous today. No burst, even the RBs averaged only 3.3 yds/carry, missed blitz pickups, at least one case where the RB simply didn't get into position to get the ball.

The QB was hideous today - already well documented.

The defense had its own problems - its worst performance of the year in a game where conditions were not prime for offenses. [370 yds allowed, previous high 291]

Lyons had a ... difficult day.

Linebackers spying on Golson still let him go sprinting down the field.

Surprising number of receivers running uncovered down the field.

Sure appeard K. Anderson didn't know his job on the 4th and 11 play - though I suppose possible it was a collection of others.

At least three 15 yard penalties on the D, and apparently N.-D. got three first downs by penalty.

Even the refs were hideous.


Those focusing just on Hogan don't seem to be watching anything else.

[CTcard]

Our weakest link in my opinion is the quarterback position. 

It's pretty hard to define a weak link when there are simply no links doing anything anywhere.

The OLine was hideous today. No push - 47 net yards rushing, players individually beaten in the pass rush, confusion on blitzes, all sorts of doubling of guy A while guy B runs at the QB, false start penalties ... no holding penalties though.

The WRs were hideous today. Dropped balls all around, particularly by our star. Guys jogging down the field beside DBs. Not coming back to help QB under pressure. 

The RBs were hideous today. No burst, even the RBs averaged only 3.3 yds/carry, missed blitz pickups, at least one case where the RB simply didn't get into position to get the ball.

The QB was hideous today - already well documented.

The defense had its own problems - its worst performance of the year in a game where conditions were not prime for offenses. [370 yds allowed, previous high 291]

Lyons had a ... difficult day.

Linebackers spying on Golson still let him go sprinting down the field.

Surprising number of receivers running uncovered down the field.

Sure appeard K. Anderson didn't know his job on the 4th and 11 play - though I suppose possible it was a collection of others.

At least three 15 yard penalties on the D, and apparently N.-D. got three first downs by penalty.

Even the refs were hideous.


Those focusing just on Hogan don't seem to be watching anything else.

[StanFan88]

I agree CT lots to go around but the problems on offense between the gameplan/playcalls and the QB have been an issue in every game against a quality opponent.

I think the fundamental problem is that the gameplan doesn't emphasize Hogan's strengths and it exposes his weaknesses.  Shaw & Bloomgren either need to change the gameplan or they need to change the QB - right now it's a horrible mismatch that isn't working.  The same could be said for the gameplan vis-a-vis the rest of the skill position players.  Did we run even one jet sweep today?  I only saw one bubble screen, and no flare passes.  Sanders and McCaffrey are the backs who should be featured.  The rest aren't fast enough to get outside and they aren't big enough to be a bell cow.

I tend to think that Bloomgren is in over his head with both OC and OL responsibilities.  He should focus on fixing the OL and let Shaw handle the offense.  Might not be the complete answer but at least then he'd have one project not three.  Hogan is not a guy who can sit in the pocket, find his second and third options on other parts of the field  He's a guy who can look at one half of the field, and if the guys in that half aren't open, he can tuck it and run.  So how about they get him on the move and take advantage of his mobility and size?  Rollouts, bootlegs, read option.  Make opponents play sideline-to-sideline on defense, not hashmark-to-hashmark.  The personnel we have are not suited to playing football in a phonebooth.

Other than Lyons I am not going to criticize the defense who stood on its head today until their last play when Lance Anderson decided to go Barney defense.  Golson was almost as bad as Hogan when he had to move or throw off his back foot, and the line was getting heat almost every time they sent 4.  Why in the hell would you only rush 3 and let him have a good look downfield?  By sharp contrast, ND sent the house on the last play of the game.

This game was absolutely there for the taking, and I don't want to hear any bitching about the refs who sucked.  There's not reason their crappy calls and inexcusable replay failure on that incompletion should have had any impact on the outcome.  This loss falls primarily on Shaw/Bloomgren, Hogan, and the OL.

This team is headed straight for the Sun Bowl or Vegas Bowl if they don't fix the offense and fast.  I don't care if they change the gameplan to fit Hogan or bench him, but something's gotta give.

[StanFan88]

I agree CT lots to go around but the problems on offense between the gameplan/playcalls and the QB have been an issue in every game against a quality opponent.

I think the fundamental problem is that the gameplan doesn't emphasize Hogan's strengths and it exposes his weaknesses.  Shaw & Bloomgren either need to change the gameplan or they need to change the QB - right now it's a horrible mismatch that isn't working.  The same could be said for the gameplan vis-a-vis the rest of the skill position players.  Did we run even one jet sweep today?  I only saw one bubble screen, and no flare passes.  Sanders and McCaffrey are the backs who should be featured.  The rest aren't fast enough to get outside and they aren't big enough to be a bell cow.

I tend to think that Bloomgren is in over his head with both OC and OL responsibilities.  He should focus on fixing the OL and let Shaw handle the offense.  Might not be the complete answer but at least then he'd have one project not three.  Hogan is not a guy who can sit in the pocket, find his second and third options on other parts of the field  He's a guy who can look at one half of the field, and if the guys in that half aren't open, he can tuck it and run.  So how about they get him on the move and take advantage of his mobility and size?  Rollouts, bootlegs, read option.  Make opponents play sideline-to-sideline on defense, not hashmark-to-hashmark.  The personnel we have are not suited to playing football in a phonebooth.

Other than Lyons I am not going to criticize the defense who stood on its head today until their last play when Lance Anderson decided to go Barney defense.  Golson was almost as bad as Hogan when he had to move or throw off his back foot, and the line was getting heat almost every time they sent 4.  Why in the hell would you only rush 3 and let him have a good look downfield?  By sharp contrast, ND sent the house on the last play of the game.

This game was absolutely there for the taking, and I don't want to hear any bitching about the refs who sucked.  There's not reason their crappy calls and inexcusable replay failure on that incompletion should have had any impact on the outcome.  This loss falls primarily on Shaw/Bloomgren, Hogan, and the OL.

This team is headed straight for the Sun Bowl or Vegas Bowl if they don't fix the offense and fast.  I don't care if they change the gameplan to fit Hogan or bench him, but something's gotta give.

[OutsiderFan]

It's time to blow it all up and start over.  Stanford's defense has now given up 17, 24, 13, and 17 points in the last four losses.  Given the premium on defense in college football today, this is downright inexcusable on a team with one of the better defenses in the country.  People want to talk about the OL and Hogan as the problem, but half those losses were with last year's OL.  So the problems on offense are not something new.  They were just masked by the fact there was a RB who was able to gain consistency by playing a lot, which led to a better play-action passing game.

To me, the number one problem the offense has is it can't settle on a RB.  Barry Sanders is now the leading rusher on the team, yet has he ever had consecutive carries this year?  He had a nice 8-9 yard run yesterday, and he came out.  Despite what he may do in practice, Kelsey Young shouldn't be playing.  He isn't a gifted enough runner or pass catcher.  Sanders is a better runner and can catch out of the backfield.  McCaffrey gets one touch all game, the same as Ricky Seale, who should never be on the field.  Stanford should be rotating two RBs.  Wright should be one, Sanders the other, and McCaffrey should be the third down back.

The other biggest problem is telegraphing plays by formation and personnel.  Ty Montgomery is being so mis-used its comical.  They might as well put a beacon on him and yell at the defense to expect #7 to get the ball here.  One of the more effective plays yesterday was the screen to Skov.  The reason it worked is because nobody was keyed on Skov to get the ball.

Yes, Hogan is limited, but the scheme, game plans, and personnel use is not helping him at all.  Stanford has managed to waste a great pass pass blocking OL, a quartet of very good receivers in Montgomery, Cajuste, Rector, and Owusu, some good TEs, and failed to get what is available from Sanders and McCaffrey as runners and very good pass catching RBs with great open field running ability.

Anyone who watches college football knows there are dozens of OCs out there who could produce more points with the pieces Stanford has on offense.  And next year it's going to be at an even higher premium to have a more efficient (and easier to learn) offense because there will likely be a new QB and the defense will more than likely take a step back.

[OutsiderFan]

It's time to blow it all up and start over.  Stanford's defense has now given up 17, 24, 13, and 17 points in the last four losses.  Given the premium on defense in college football today, this is downright inexcusable on a team with one of the better defenses in the country.  People want to talk about the OL and Hogan as the problem, but half those losses were with last year's OL.  So the problems on offense are not something new.  They were just masked by the fact there was a RB who was able to gain consistency by playing a lot, which led to a better play-action passing game.

To me, the number one problem the offense has is it can't settle on a RB.  Barry Sanders is now the leading rusher on the team, yet has he ever had consecutive carries this year?  He had a nice 8-9 yard run yesterday, and he came out.  Despite what he may do in practice, Kelsey Young shouldn't be playing.  He isn't a gifted enough runner or pass catcher.  Sanders is a better runner and can catch out of the backfield.  McCaffrey gets one touch all game, the same as Ricky Seale, who should never be on the field.  Stanford should be rotating two RBs.  Wright should be one, Sanders the other, and McCaffrey should be the third down back.

The other biggest problem is telegraphing plays by formation and personnel.  Ty Montgomery is being so mis-used its comical.  They might as well put a beacon on him and yell at the defense to expect #7 to get the ball here.  One of the more effective plays yesterday was the screen to Skov.  The reason it worked is because nobody was keyed on Skov to get the ball.

Yes, Hogan is limited, but the scheme, game plans, and personnel use is not helping him at all.  Stanford has managed to waste a great pass pass blocking OL, a quartet of very good receivers in Montgomery, Cajuste, Rector, and Owusu, some good TEs, and failed to get what is available from Sanders and McCaffrey as runners and very good pass catching RBs with great open field running ability.

Anyone who watches college football knows there are dozens of OCs out there who could produce more points with the pieces Stanford has on offense.  And next year it's going to be at an even higher premium to have a more efficient (and easier to learn) offense because there will likely be a new QB and the defense will more than likely take a step back.

[Stymie]

It's time to blow it all up and start over.  Stanford's defense has now given up 17, 20, 13, and 17 points in the last four losses.  Given the premium on defense in college football today, this is downright inexcusable on a team with one of the better defenses in the country.  People want to talk about the OL and Hogan as the problem, but half those losses were with last year's OL.  So the problems on offense are not something new.  They were just masked by the fact there was a RB who was able to gain consistency by playing a lot, which led to a better play-action passing game.

To me, the number one problem the offense has is it can't settle on a RB.  Barry Sanders is now the leading rusher on the team, yet has he ever had consecutive carries this year?  He had a nice 8-9 yard run yesterday, and he came out.  Despite what he may do in practice, Kelsey Young shouldn't be playing.  He isn't a gifted enough runner or pass catcher.  Sanders is a better runner and can catch out of the backfield.  McCaffrey gets one touch all game, the same as Ricky Seale, who should never be on the field.  Stanford should be rotating two RBs.  Wright should be one, Sanders the other, and McCaffrey should be the third down back.

The other biggest problem is telegraphing plays by formation and personnel.  Ty Montgomery is being so mis-used its comical.  They might as well put a beacon on him and yell at the defense to expect #7 to get the ball here.  One of the more effective plays yesterday was the screen to Skov.  The reason it worked is because nobody was keyed on Skov to get the ball.

Yes, Hogan is limited, but the scheme, game plans, and personnel use is not helping him at all.  Stanford has managed to waste a great pass pass blocking OL, a quartet of very good receivers in Montgomery, Cajuste, Rector, and Owusu, some good TEs, and failed to get what is available from Sanders and McCaffrey as very good pass catching RBs with great open field running ability.

Anyone who watches college football knows there are dozens of OCs out there who could produce more points with the pieces Stanford has on offense.

+42!

(Admin--please take these off my own tally)

[Stymie]

It's time to blow it all up and start over.  Stanford's defense has now given up 17, 20, 13, and 17 points in the last four losses.  Given the premium on defense in college football today, this is downright inexcusable on a team with one of the better defenses in the country.  People want to talk about the OL and Hogan as the problem, but half those losses were with last year's OL.  So the problems on offense are not something new.  They were just masked by the fact there was a RB who was able to gain consistency by playing a lot, which led to a better play-action passing game.

To me, the number one problem the offense has is it can't settle on a RB.  Barry Sanders is now the leading rusher on the team, yet has he ever had consecutive carries this year?  He had a nice 8-9 yard run yesterday, and he came out.  Despite what he may do in practice, Kelsey Young shouldn't be playing.  He isn't a gifted enough runner or pass catcher.  Sanders is a better runner and can catch out of the backfield.  McCaffrey gets one touch all game, the same as Ricky Seale, who should never be on the field.  Stanford should be rotating two RBs.  Wright should be one, Sanders the other, and McCaffrey should be the third down back.

The other biggest problem is telegraphing plays by formation and personnel.  Ty Montgomery is being so mis-used its comical.  They might as well put a beacon on him and yell at the defense to expect #7 to get the ball here.  One of the more effective plays yesterday was the screen to Skov.  The reason it worked is because nobody was keyed on Skov to get the ball.

Yes, Hogan is limited, but the scheme, game plans, and personnel use is not helping him at all.  Stanford has managed to waste a great pass pass blocking OL, a quartet of very good receivers in Montgomery, Cajuste, Rector, and Owusu, some good TEs, and failed to get what is available from Sanders and McCaffrey as very good pass catching RBs with great open field running ability.

Anyone who watches college football knows there are dozens of OCs out there who could produce more points with the pieces Stanford has on offense.

+42!

(Admin--please take these off my own tally)

[StanFan88]

I would like to see a gameplan that emphasizes Hogan's strengths or a QB who can execute the current gameplan better.  The mismatch is driving me nuts.

[StanFan88]

I would like to see a gameplan that emphasizes Hogan's strengths or a QB who can execute the current gameplan better.  The mismatch is driving me nuts.

[OutsiderFan]

It's instructive that even given the fact Stanford's defense had a terrible failure on the last play of the game, that had it not failed on, would have resulted in a win over a Top 10 team on the road, all the angst is toward the offense and not the defense.

[OutsiderFan]

It's instructive that even given the fact Stanford's defense had a terrible failure on the last play of the game, that had it not failed on, would have resulted in a win over a Top 10 team on the road, all the angst is toward the offense and not the defense.

[Bruce Wang]

On the bright side: perfect in the redzone!

You forgot that botched snap on the field goal attempt.  Williamson jumping on top of that must be his best play since the field goal in Autzen.

[Bruce Wang]

On the bright side: perfect in the redzone!

You forgot that botched snap on the field goal attempt.  Williamson jumping on top of that must be his best play since the field goal in Autzen.

[Bruce Wang]

I tend to think that Bloomgren is in over his head with both OC and OL responsibilities.  He should focus on fixing the OL and let Shaw handle the offense.

That might be an instance of the cure being worse than the disease. 

I'm a Shaw fan.  Play calling and coordinating the offense don't appear to be his strengths.  Didn't he get demoted by Harbaugh on that front?  Shaw's strength are recruiting - both players and assistants and representing the program in general.  Good leaders delegate.  If he doesn't trust Bloomgren with play calling in the red zone, why should Bloomgren call plays at all?

[Bruce Wang]

I tend to think that Bloomgren is in over his head with both OC and OL responsibilities.  He should focus on fixing the OL and let Shaw handle the offense.

That might be an instance of the cure being worse than the disease. 

I'm a Shaw fan.  Play calling and coordinating the offense don't appear to be his strengths.  Didn't he get demoted by Harbaugh on that front?  Shaw's strength are recruiting - both players and assistants and representing the program in general.  Good leaders delegate.  If he doesn't trust Bloomgren with play calling in the red zone, why should Bloomgren call plays at all?

[thunder_chik]

As we approach the mid-point of our season, I agree with others who suspect the crux of the problem lies in coaching.  Shaw needs to make some changes with his personnel.  Bloomgren should focus on the OL, and we need someone with more experience to work with Hogan.  Also agree we need to dump the "RB by committee" concept and just go with Sanders and Wright.

[thunder_chik]

As we approach the mid-point of our season, I agree with others who suspect the crux of the problem lies in coaching.  Shaw needs to make some changes with his personnel.  Bloomgren should focus on the OL, and we need someone with more experience to work with Hogan.  Also agree we need to dump the "RB by committee" concept and just go with Sanders and Wright.

[dabigv13]

We are not going to find an experienced and talented OC in the middle of the season. And Shaw wouldn't fire Bloomgren in the middle of the season. We are dancing with one we brung at this point.

[dabigv13]

We are not going to find an experienced and talented OC in the middle of the season. And Shaw wouldn't fire Bloomgren in the middle of the season. We are dancing with one we brung at this point.

[OutsiderFan]

We are not going to find an experienced and talented OC in the middle of the season. And Shaw wouldn't fire Bloomgren in the middle of the season. We are dancing with one we brung at this point.

The OC and offensive staff may not be cashiered mid-season, but that doesn't mean Shaw can't tighten up the personnel situation. 

[OutsiderFan]

We are not going to find an experienced and talented OC in the middle of the season. And Shaw wouldn't fire Bloomgren in the middle of the season. We are dancing with one we brung at this point.

The OC and offensive staff may not be cashiered mid-season, but that doesn't mean Shaw can't tighten up the personnel situation. 

[stupac2]

Playing too many guys has been a hallmark of this offense for years now. I highly doubt it's going to change.

Partial vindication, for a while it seemed like Trojan was the only one who could catch anything...

[stupac2]

Playing too many guys has been a hallmark of this offense for years now. I highly doubt it's going to change.

Partial vindication, for a while it seemed like Trojan was the only one who could catch anything...

[Mick]

I would like to see a gameplan that emphasizes Hogan's strengths or a QB who can execute the current gameplan better.  The mismatch is driving me nuts.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but what strengths are those?  He's not accurate, he stares down his receivers, he takes a long time to unwind, he doesn't appear to have audible genius in him, he's not a great runner....

[Mick]

I would like to see a gameplan that emphasizes Hogan's strengths or a QB who can execute the current gameplan better.  The mismatch is driving me nuts.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but what strengths are those?  He's not accurate, he stares down his receivers, he takes a long time to unwind, he doesn't appear to have audible genius in him, he's not a great runner....