07-13-2012, 02:10 PM
Appel to return to Stanford
07-13-2012, 03:21 PM
Well, returning for one more year worked out okay for Andrew Luck...
I hope he didn't pay Scott Boras very much. ;D
I hope he didn't pay Scott Boras very much. ;D
07-13-2012, 03:45 PM
Boras is just "advising" right now. Doesn't get paid anything until Appel signs.
07-13-2012, 04:18 PM
Someone probably told him (correctly): "Find out what Boras wants you to do....then do the opposite."
Someone probably told him (correctly): "Find out what Boras wants you to do....then do the opposite."
07-13-2012, 04:22 PM
One of Boras's favorite tactics is to advise his charges to return to school.
It's probably not the best idea for those who follow through, but collectively they give Boras a lot of power in negotiations (which means more cash).
It's probably not the best idea for those who follow through, but collectively they give Boras a lot of power in negotiations (which means more cash).
One of Boras's favorite tactics is to advise his charges to return to school.
It's probably not the best idea for those who follow through, but collectively they give Boras a lot of power in negotiations (which means more cash).
It's probably not the best idea for those who follow through, but collectively they give Boras a lot of power in negotiations (which means more cash).
07-13-2012, 05:48 PM
(07-13-2012, 04:22 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:One of Boras's favorite tactics is to advise his charges to return to school.
It's probably not the best idea for those who follow through, but collectively they give Boras a lot of power in negotiations (which means more cash).
On the "collective" level I understand the logic. But, on the personal level, I'm not so sure.Â
Now that the dust has settled, it appears that, at best, Boras has -- maybe -- gotten whichever juniors he represents next year some more money. But he has gotten Appel...bupkis.Â
The rumors I read/heard were that one of the likely reasons Appel fell so far was that he had Boras as his advisor to begin with. Presumably, if he hadn't fallen so far, he would have gotten a better deal with a different team drafting higher up. Then, when he ends up where he does, he doesn't get a very good offer [or, at least, good enough to keep him from coming back to Stanford]. Boras solidifies his reputation [and, potentially, develops more leverage for next year's "Appel", who, obviously, won't be Appel himself, since he can't threaten to come back and go co-terminal, as far as I know]. Appel gets $0 this year and the opportunity [with all the obvious risks] to come back and do it again next year -- both of which he had WITHOUT Boras.
In sum, I could have gotten Appel as much this year as Boras did. Hhhmmmm...
(07-13-2012, 04:22 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:One of Boras's favorite tactics is to advise his charges to return to school.
It's probably not the best idea for those who follow through, but collectively they give Boras a lot of power in negotiations (which means more cash).
On the "collective" level I understand the logic. But, on the personal level, I'm not so sure.Â
Now that the dust has settled, it appears that, at best, Boras has -- maybe -- gotten whichever juniors he represents next year some more money. But he has gotten Appel...bupkis.Â
The rumors I read/heard were that one of the likely reasons Appel fell so far was that he had Boras as his advisor to begin with. Presumably, if he hadn't fallen so far, he would have gotten a better deal with a different team drafting higher up. Then, when he ends up where he does, he doesn't get a very good offer [or, at least, good enough to keep him from coming back to Stanford]. Boras solidifies his reputation [and, potentially, develops more leverage for next year's "Appel", who, obviously, won't be Appel himself, since he can't threaten to come back and go co-terminal, as far as I know]. Appel gets $0 this year and the opportunity [with all the obvious risks] to come back and do it again next year -- both of which he had WITHOUT Boras.
In sum, I could have gotten Appel as much this year as Boras did. Hhhmmmm...
Because this is the first instance in which a highly drafted player failed to sign under the new rules, Appel is receiving a lot of attention. I find his case quite interesting. The top choice signed for $4.8 million (v. a slot of $7.2 million). Appel's slot was $2.8 million and was offered $3.8 million (the Pirates could not offer more than $3.9 million without losing a #1 draft choice next year).Â
Therefore, Appel is taking a very big financial risk. He is gambling that he will be a Top 3 (or so) draft choice next year. Otherwise, he won't receive enough compensation to have made his decision this year worthwhile. Remember, he will have no leverage next year and will probably have to accept whatever the slot amount is for the position in which he is drafted.
Intriguing... I would suggest that the financial piece of this equation is heavily weighted against Appel. However, the other side of the equation, non-financial piece, is weighted in his favor... returning to Stanford to obtain his degree...
Therefore, Appel is taking a very big financial risk. He is gambling that he will be a Top 3 (or so) draft choice next year. Otherwise, he won't receive enough compensation to have made his decision this year worthwhile. Remember, he will have no leverage next year and will probably have to accept whatever the slot amount is for the position in which he is drafted.
Intriguing... I would suggest that the financial piece of this equation is heavily weighted against Appel. However, the other side of the equation, non-financial piece, is weighted in his favor... returning to Stanford to obtain his degree...
Because this is the first instance in which a highly drafted player failed to sign under the new rules, Appel is receiving a lot of attention. I find his case quite interesting. The top choice signed for $4.8 million (v. a slot of $7.2 million). Appel's slot was $2.8 million and was offered $3.8 million (the Pirates could not offer more than $3.9 million without losing a #1 draft choice next year).Â
Therefore, Appel is taking a very big financial risk. He is gambling that he will be a Top 3 (or so) draft choice next year. Otherwise, he won't receive enough compensation to have made his decision this year worthwhile. Remember, he will have no leverage next year and will probably have to accept whatever the slot amount is for the position in which he is drafted.
Intriguing... I would suggest that the financial piece of this equation is heavily weighted against Appel. However, the other side of the equation, non-financial piece, is weighted in his favor... returning to Stanford to obtain his degree...
Therefore, Appel is taking a very big financial risk. He is gambling that he will be a Top 3 (or so) draft choice next year. Otherwise, he won't receive enough compensation to have made his decision this year worthwhile. Remember, he will have no leverage next year and will probably have to accept whatever the slot amount is for the position in which he is drafted.
Intriguing... I would suggest that the financial piece of this equation is heavily weighted against Appel. However, the other side of the equation, non-financial piece, is weighted in his favor... returning to Stanford to obtain his degree...
07-14-2012, 11:04 AM
It's natural to compare this to Luck's decision to return, but I think Appel is taking a much bigger risk. In general, I think starting pitchers are much more vulnerable and more difficult to develop than starting quarterbacks. For every Ryan Leaf, there are a dozen Mark Priors or Brien Taylors. (Never heard of Brien Taylor? That kind of makes my point.)
Let's look at worst-case scenarios. If Luck had torn an ACL, I bet he still would've been a top-five pick, recovered eventually, and still been just as successful. If Appel blows out his elbow, things are different. Yes, the Tommy John surgery is much better now, as Stephen Strasburg demonstrates, but full recovery is never guaranteed. (All of this, by the way, comes without the benefit of any medical knowledge on my part. I could be wrong.)
Also, assuming that Appel has the potential people say, he could be in the major leagues by next year. Pittsburgh, believe it or not, is a franchise going in the right direction with a core of great young players and prospects on the way. It wouldn't have been a bad place to land.
While this decision is great for Stanford baseball in 2013, I would've advised Appel to take the money and run.
Let's look at worst-case scenarios. If Luck had torn an ACL, I bet he still would've been a top-five pick, recovered eventually, and still been just as successful. If Appel blows out his elbow, things are different. Yes, the Tommy John surgery is much better now, as Stephen Strasburg demonstrates, but full recovery is never guaranteed. (All of this, by the way, comes without the benefit of any medical knowledge on my part. I could be wrong.)
Also, assuming that Appel has the potential people say, he could be in the major leagues by next year. Pittsburgh, believe it or not, is a franchise going in the right direction with a core of great young players and prospects on the way. It wouldn't have been a bad place to land.
While this decision is great for Stanford baseball in 2013, I would've advised Appel to take the money and run.
Please clear the field! The game is not over!
It's natural to compare this to Luck's decision to return, but I think Appel is taking a much bigger risk. In general, I think starting pitchers are much more vulnerable and more difficult to develop than starting quarterbacks. For every Ryan Leaf, there are a dozen Mark Priors or Brien Taylors. (Never heard of Brien Taylor? That kind of makes my point.)
Let's look at worst-case scenarios. If Luck had torn an ACL, I bet he still would've been a top-five pick, recovered eventually, and still been just as successful. If Appel blows out his elbow, things are different. Yes, the Tommy John surgery is much better now, as Stephen Strasburg demonstrates, but full recovery is never guaranteed. (All of this, by the way, comes without the benefit of any medical knowledge on my part. I could be wrong.)
Also, assuming that Appel has the potential people say, he could be in the major leagues by next year. Pittsburgh, believe it or not, is a franchise going in the right direction with a core of great young players and prospects on the way. It wouldn't have been a bad place to land.
While this decision is great for Stanford baseball in 2013, I would've advised Appel to take the money and run.
Let's look at worst-case scenarios. If Luck had torn an ACL, I bet he still would've been a top-five pick, recovered eventually, and still been just as successful. If Appel blows out his elbow, things are different. Yes, the Tommy John surgery is much better now, as Stephen Strasburg demonstrates, but full recovery is never guaranteed. (All of this, by the way, comes without the benefit of any medical knowledge on my part. I could be wrong.)
Also, assuming that Appel has the potential people say, he could be in the major leagues by next year. Pittsburgh, believe it or not, is a franchise going in the right direction with a core of great young players and prospects on the way. It wouldn't have been a bad place to land.
While this decision is great for Stanford baseball in 2013, I would've advised Appel to take the money and run.
Please clear the field! The game is not over!
07-14-2012, 03:13 PM
(07-14-2012, 09:25 AM)garvin link Wrote:Suggesting that he was hypnotized by some evil Professor Moriarty type does him a disservice.
Whoa...not sure where that came from.Â
I've re-read the string and don't see anyone claiming Appel didn't do what he did knowingly or intentionally. Certainly, that isn't what I meant.Â
I was simply scratching my head wondering why Boras is so highly thought of, when he can take someone who appears to be a pretty good prospect [and even touted as a potential #1 pick] and manage to negotiate that person...back to school.Â
From what I can tell Appel is pretty intelligent, a very thooughtful guy, and [based on the games I saw this season] a lot of fun to watch. I'm thrilled he's coming back. I just hope [as others have said] that the plan works out and, if he doesn't have a long, successful career in the Majors, he [at least] manages to pull a Zito and/or a Lincecum [i.e., be successful and get the big, guaranteed contract BEFORE it all seemingly comes apart in a flash] as opposed to getting hit next year by one of the possible risks that others have mentioned.
Also, if the Pirates were such jerks, I would have assumed we'd all be enjoying watching Gaffney running the wildcat for 6-7 yds/play again in a few months...
(07-14-2012, 09:25 AM)garvin link Wrote:Suggesting that he was hypnotized by some evil Professor Moriarty type does him a disservice.
Whoa...not sure where that came from.Â
I've re-read the string and don't see anyone claiming Appel didn't do what he did knowingly or intentionally. Certainly, that isn't what I meant.Â
I was simply scratching my head wondering why Boras is so highly thought of, when he can take someone who appears to be a pretty good prospect [and even touted as a potential #1 pick] and manage to negotiate that person...back to school.Â
From what I can tell Appel is pretty intelligent, a very thooughtful guy, and [based on the games I saw this season] a lot of fun to watch. I'm thrilled he's coming back. I just hope [as others have said] that the plan works out and, if he doesn't have a long, successful career in the Majors, he [at least] manages to pull a Zito and/or a Lincecum [i.e., be successful and get the big, guaranteed contract BEFORE it all seemingly comes apart in a flash] as opposed to getting hit next year by one of the possible risks that others have mentioned.
Also, if the Pirates were such jerks, I would have assumed we'd all be enjoying watching Gaffney running the wildcat for 6-7 yds/play again in a few months...
07-19-2012, 08:22 AM
I was hoping for a Gaffney two-fer return, but that might have thrown a wrench in Shaw's careful schollie calculations.
07-19-2012, 08:26 AM
(07-19-2012, 08:22 AM)fullmetal link Wrote:I was hoping for a Gaffney two-fer return, but that might have thrown a wrench in Shaw's careful schollie calculations.
It has no effect, really--Gaffney would have been a senior, so the spot is there in 2013 regardless. The main consequence for the team in 2012 is that some lucky walk-on will get a scholarship for a year. Which is nice.
(07-19-2012, 08:22 AM)fullmetal link Wrote:I was hoping for a Gaffney two-fer return, but that might have thrown a wrench in Shaw's careful schollie calculations.
It has no effect, really--Gaffney would have been a senior, so the spot is there in 2013 regardless. The main consequence for the team in 2012 is that some lucky walk-on will get a scholarship for a year. Which is nice.
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