11-20-2021, 12:43 PM
Outside Topic Giants/Niners 2021 thread
11-20-2021, 12:51 PM
(11-20-2021, 12:43 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-20-2021, 12:14 PM)Phogge Wrote: Giants protect Ramos, Jelly and Rodriquez by elevating them to the 40 man. Release Jackson and send the injured Nunez back to the Mets.
…and do not protect Corry. He is now available to anyone willing to keep him on their 26 man roster for the entire 2022 season.
That can only mean this staff soured on his abilities. Surprising to me. But I have never seen him. Only read and saw numbers.
(11-20-2021, 12:43 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-20-2021, 12:14 PM)Phogge Wrote: Giants protect Ramos, Jelly and Rodriquez by elevating them to the 40 man. Release Jackson and send the injured Nunez back to the Mets.
…and do not protect Corry. He is now available to anyone willing to keep him on their 26 man roster for the entire 2022 season.
That can only mean this staff soured on his abilities. Surprising to me. But I have never seen him. Only read and saw numbers.
11-20-2021, 12:52 PM
(11-20-2021, 10:23 AM)lex24 Wrote:(11-20-2021, 08:45 AM)Mick Wrote: Some free agents in whom Giants are interested:
Nick Castellanos, Chris Taylor and Marcus Semien (St. Mary's HS in Berkeley with 45 HRs). Put Semien at 3B. I'd pass on Kris Bryant...I don't know that he wants to be here anyway. Taylor will probably want to resign with Da Bums. Castellanos rejected an $18.4 million qualifying offer. He's 29.
SF Giants News: Three free agents the Giants are rumored to be in on - McCovey Chronicles
Starling Marte?
starling marte - Google Search
MLB rumors: Starling Marte drawing Giants free agency interest | RSN (nbcsports.com)
Mark Canha? Maybe. Bellarmine, Cal, Oakland A's. Poor average (.231 but .344 OBP), led majors in HBP (27), some power (17 HRs), scored 93 runs. Made $7 mms. last year.
Taylor rejected QO. Give me Marte and Taylor. Semien probably too rich for their blood. Castellanos value goes up with universal DH. He’s a lousy OF. And, of course, job 1 is starting pitching.
Marte and Castellanos are the non-pitching free agency names being associated with SF. However, I think pitching comes first. Per Scott Harris, the Giants’ GM, they are close to signing a couple free agent pitchers (announcements expected within a couple weeks, pending the avoidance of a lockout).
(11-20-2021, 10:23 AM)lex24 Wrote:(11-20-2021, 08:45 AM)Mick Wrote: Some free agents in whom Giants are interested:
Nick Castellanos, Chris Taylor and Marcus Semien (St. Mary's HS in Berkeley with 45 HRs). Put Semien at 3B. I'd pass on Kris Bryant...I don't know that he wants to be here anyway. Taylor will probably want to resign with Da Bums. Castellanos rejected an $18.4 million qualifying offer. He's 29.
SF Giants News: Three free agents the Giants are rumored to be in on - McCovey Chronicles
Starling Marte?
starling marte - Google Search
MLB rumors: Starling Marte drawing Giants free agency interest | RSN (nbcsports.com)
Mark Canha? Maybe. Bellarmine, Cal, Oakland A's. Poor average (.231 but .344 OBP), led majors in HBP (27), some power (17 HRs), scored 93 runs. Made $7 mms. last year.
Taylor rejected QO. Give me Marte and Taylor. Semien probably too rich for their blood. Castellanos value goes up with universal DH. He’s a lousy OF. And, of course, job 1 is starting pitching.
Marte and Castellanos are the non-pitching free agency names being associated with SF. However, I think pitching comes first. Per Scott Harris, the Giants’ GM, they are close to signing a couple free agent pitchers (announcements expected within a couple weeks, pending the avoidance of a lockout).
11-20-2021, 01:43 PM
(11-20-2021, 12:52 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-20-2021, 10:23 AM)lex24 Wrote:(11-20-2021, 08:45 AM)Mick Wrote: Some free agents in whom Giants are interested:
Nick Castellanos, Chris Taylor and Marcus Semien (St. Mary's HS in Berkeley with 45 HRs). Put Semien at 3B. I'd pass on Kris Bryant...I don't know that he wants to be here anyway. Taylor will probably want to resign with Da Bums. Castellanos rejected an $18.4 million qualifying offer. He's 29.
SF Giants News: Three free agents the Giants are rumored to be in on - McCovey Chronicles
Starling Marte?
starling marte - Google Search
MLB rumors: Starling Marte drawing Giants free agency interest | RSN (nbcsports.com)
Mark Canha? Maybe. Bellarmine, Cal, Oakland A's. Poor average (.231 but .344 OBP), led majors in HBP (27), some power (17 HRs), scored 93 runs. Made $7 mms. last year.
Taylor rejected QO. Give me Marte and Taylor. Semien probably too rich for their blood. Castellanos value goes up with universal DH. He’s a lousy OF. And, of course, job 1 is starting pitching.
Marte and Castellanos are the non-pitching free agency names being associated with SF. However, I think pitching comes first. Per Scott Harris, the Giants’ GM, they are close to signing a couple free agent pitchers (announcements expected within a couple weeks, pending the avoidance of a lockout).
Great. But timeline is dependent on market. If they have to strike now on Marte etc or lose them , strike now. There will be $ for pitching.
(11-20-2021, 12:52 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-20-2021, 10:23 AM)lex24 Wrote:(11-20-2021, 08:45 AM)Mick Wrote: Some free agents in whom Giants are interested:
Nick Castellanos, Chris Taylor and Marcus Semien (St. Mary's HS in Berkeley with 45 HRs). Put Semien at 3B. I'd pass on Kris Bryant...I don't know that he wants to be here anyway. Taylor will probably want to resign with Da Bums. Castellanos rejected an $18.4 million qualifying offer. He's 29.
SF Giants News: Three free agents the Giants are rumored to be in on - McCovey Chronicles
Starling Marte?
starling marte - Google Search
MLB rumors: Starling Marte drawing Giants free agency interest | RSN (nbcsports.com)
Mark Canha? Maybe. Bellarmine, Cal, Oakland A's. Poor average (.231 but .344 OBP), led majors in HBP (27), some power (17 HRs), scored 93 runs. Made $7 mms. last year.
Taylor rejected QO. Give me Marte and Taylor. Semien probably too rich for their blood. Castellanos value goes up with universal DH. He’s a lousy OF. And, of course, job 1 is starting pitching.
Marte and Castellanos are the non-pitching free agency names being associated with SF. However, I think pitching comes first. Per Scott Harris, the Giants’ GM, they are close to signing a couple free agent pitchers (announcements expected within a couple weeks, pending the avoidance of a lockout).
Great. But timeline is dependent on market. If they have to strike now on Marte etc or lose them , strike now. There will be $ for pitching.
11-21-2021, 04:06 PM
Bump. Not letting this off page one….
Niners back in hunt. Big game next week.
Niners back in hunt. Big game next week.
11-21-2021, 04:22 PM
Excellent Niner game.
Hard to think about who the giants might sign. Too many ifs
Hard to think about who the giants might sign. Too many ifs
11-22-2021, 12:36 AM
Niners now 5-5. Have Vikings (5-5), Seahawks (3-7), Bengals (6-4), Falcons (4-6), Titans (8-3), Texans (2-8) and Rams left (7-3).
For the season, Garoppolo is #10 in rating and #7 in NFL in QBR, #4 in avg per pass. For this past week, Garoppolo was #4 in rating.
For the season, Garoppolo is #10 in rating and #7 in NFL in QBR, #4 in avg per pass. For this past week, Garoppolo was #4 in rating.
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Niners now 5-5. Have Vikings (5-5), Seahawks (3-7), Bengals (6-4), Falcons (4-6), Titans (8-3), Texans (2-8) and Rams left (7-3).
For the season, Garoppolo is #10 in rating and #7 in NFL in QBR, #4 in avg per pass. For this past week, Garoppolo was #4 in rating.
For the season, Garoppolo is #10 in rating and #7 in NFL in QBR, #4 in avg per pass. For this past week, Garoppolo was #4 in rating.
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11-22-2021, 06:59 AM
Strange about Corry. His manager at Eugene was quoted this year to the effect that he has greatness within him. Maybe the big boys think he can’t be fixed and they would rather concentrate on the De La Salle kid and others. I can’t imagine a club would give up a roster spot all year for a kid who can’t throw strikes.
Strange about Corry. His manager at Eugene was quoted this year to the effect that he has greatness within him. Maybe the big boys think he can’t be fixed and they would rather concentrate on the De La Salle kid and others. I can’t imagine a club would give up a roster spot all year for a kid who can’t throw strikes.
11-22-2021, 11:31 AM
(11-22-2021, 10:23 AM)Phogge Wrote: Corry in this year’s Arizona Fall Ball. 6 starts, 4 earned, 11.2 IP 17K 12 BB. Eugene in ‘21 67 IP 100 K 63 BB. Apparently still with great stuff.
The Giants don't want to lose Corry. His command and control are very poor and haven't improved but he still has real upside. But he's so far away from the majors that the front office is betting that nobody will claim him. It's certainly an outside possibility that someone will take him, especially now that teams carry so many pitchers on their staff, but the Giants are making a calculated decision. Someone may claim him but it would still be a longshot that they decide to keep him for the entire season. 63 walks in 67 innings in A-ball isn't the profile of someone that teams will use a major league roster spot on.
(11-22-2021, 10:23 AM)Phogge Wrote: Corry in this year’s Arizona Fall Ball. 6 starts, 4 earned, 11.2 IP 17K 12 BB. Eugene in ‘21 67 IP 100 K 63 BB. Apparently still with great stuff.
The Giants don't want to lose Corry. His command and control are very poor and haven't improved but he still has real upside. But he's so far away from the majors that the front office is betting that nobody will claim him. It's certainly an outside possibility that someone will take him, especially now that teams carry so many pitchers on their staff, but the Giants are making a calculated decision. Someone may claim him but it would still be a longshot that they decide to keep him for the entire season. 63 walks in 67 innings in A-ball isn't the profile of someone that teams will use a major league roster spot on.
11-22-2021, 04:53 PM
Cobb... 18 starts, averaged 5.19 IP per. $15,000,000 for the LAA. 34 years old, 10.4 yrs. service.
So three RH starters plus Wood. Webb, Wood, Cobb. The start of a baseball ballad.
So three RH starters plus Wood. Webb, Wood, Cobb. The start of a baseball ballad.
11-22-2021, 06:05 PM
Update to the DeSclafani signing…
Dickerson has been released to create needed space on the 40 man roster.
Dickerson has been released to create needed space on the 40 man roster.
11-22-2021, 11:24 PM
Jay Jackson was traded to the Braves yesterday for cash and possibly a player to be named later.
Giants paid $5 mms. to Cueto to buy him out earlier this month.
New Hall of Fame ballot just released. Players making it for the first time are David Ortiz, Ryan Howard, A-Rod, Mark Texeira, Prince Fielder, Jonathan Papelbon...and a passel of ex-Giants, including Tim Lincecum, A. J. Pierczynski, Jake Peavy, and Joe Nathan.
Steven Matz says the Giants are one of three teams courting him. He was 14-7 for Toronto last year.
Padres are hiring Giants' minor league hitting instructor as their day-to-day hitting coach.
Giants paid $5 mms. to Cueto to buy him out earlier this month.
New Hall of Fame ballot just released. Players making it for the first time are David Ortiz, Ryan Howard, A-Rod, Mark Texeira, Prince Fielder, Jonathan Papelbon...and a passel of ex-Giants, including Tim Lincecum, A. J. Pierczynski, Jake Peavy, and Joe Nathan.
Steven Matz says the Giants are one of three teams courting him. He was 14-7 for Toronto last year.
Padres are hiring Giants' minor league hitting instructor as their day-to-day hitting coach.
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Jay Jackson was traded to the Braves yesterday for cash and possibly a player to be named later.
Giants paid $5 mms. to Cueto to buy him out earlier this month.
New Hall of Fame ballot just released. Players making it for the first time are David Ortiz, Ryan Howard, A-Rod, Mark Texeira, Prince Fielder, Jonathan Papelbon...and a passel of ex-Giants, including Tim Lincecum, A. J. Pierczynski, Jake Peavy, and Joe Nathan.
Steven Matz says the Giants are one of three teams courting him. He was 14-7 for Toronto last year.
Padres are hiring Giants' minor league hitting instructor as their day-to-day hitting coach.
Giants paid $5 mms. to Cueto to buy him out earlier this month.
New Hall of Fame ballot just released. Players making it for the first time are David Ortiz, Ryan Howard, A-Rod, Mark Texeira, Prince Fielder, Jonathan Papelbon...and a passel of ex-Giants, including Tim Lincecum, A. J. Pierczynski, Jake Peavy, and Joe Nathan.
Steven Matz says the Giants are one of three teams courting him. He was 14-7 for Toronto last year.
Padres are hiring Giants' minor league hitting instructor as their day-to-day hitting coach.
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(11-22-2021, 11:24 PM)Mick Wrote: Steven Matz says the Giants are one of three teams courting him. He was 14-7 for Toronto last year.
Signed with St. Louis.
(11-22-2021, 11:24 PM)Mick Wrote: Padres are hiring Giants' minor league hitting instructor as their day-to-day hitting coach.
Needs to get a better agent, at least negotiate a month-to-month contract instead of day-to-day.
(11-22-2021, 11:24 PM)Mick Wrote: Steven Matz says the Giants are one of three teams courting him. He was 14-7 for Toronto last year.
Signed with St. Louis.
(11-22-2021, 11:24 PM)Mick Wrote: Padres are hiring Giants' minor league hitting instructor as their day-to-day hitting coach.
Needs to get a better agent, at least negotiate a month-to-month contract instead of day-to-day.
(11-23-2021, 11:08 PM)DC 86 Wrote:(11-22-2021, 11:24 PM)Mick Wrote: Steven Matz says the Giants are one of three teams courting him. He was 14-7 for Toronto last year.
Signed with St. Louis.
(11-22-2021, 11:24 PM)Mick Wrote: Padres are hiring Giants' minor league hitting instructor as their day-to-day hitting coach.
Needs to get a better agent, at least negotiate a month-to-month contract instead of day-to-day.
Matz would have been a nice pickup. I thought Giants were”close” to the Alex’s - Wood and Cobb. I have a concern about Giants losing out on players because they won’t pay top dollar within the particular range. I don’t know how “real” the Calif tax premium is. But if that’s reality, deal with it.
This off season is the most important in years. 107 win team in a big market with a ton of money available to them. The reputation of excellent coaching. They darn well better come up big this off season.
That doesn’t necessarily mean signing a whale. Although they should. It does mean signing about 4 more mid level starting pitchers (or obtaining through a trade) an everyday outfielder as I think Yaz will be platooned (they don’t have any) preferably that can play Center and a top end multi position (they aren’t utility players anymore) player.
The Giants have enormous turnover. Posey has retired. Unless they score big this off season they easily can backslide to a. .500 or below team
What they did in ‘21 was remarkable. But not sustainable. They need some stability in the staff and a couple key position pickups. Think 3 year deals.
Their minor league system is strong now. But prospects are just that. And their top ones are a couple years away. Zaidi and Co can determine who is quasi untouchable. Any others may be trade chips for the right deal. It’s essentially what the Dodgers did. Along with finding the diamonds in the rough and signing the occasional whale.
Watch what Dodgers do this off season. Seager is probably going to be a 6 to 7 $ 180 to 200 million guy. Giants won’t even consider, I suspect. Dodgers look to be ready to resign. If they also add Scherzer at around $30 to $35 for a year or two and sign Taylor, you have your answer. The organizations will be dealing at completely different levels. Giants cannot consistently compete if that is the case.
As for SD - Melvin is already a key signing. Bring some stability to a team with talent. They may be in ‘22 what they were expected to be in ‘21.
78-84 would take a lot from what was achieved this year.
Time to open the checkbook. RIGHT. FRICKING. NOW.
(11-23-2021, 11:08 PM)DC 86 Wrote:(11-22-2021, 11:24 PM)Mick Wrote: Steven Matz says the Giants are one of three teams courting him. He was 14-7 for Toronto last year.
Signed with St. Louis.
(11-22-2021, 11:24 PM)Mick Wrote: Padres are hiring Giants' minor league hitting instructor as their day-to-day hitting coach.
Needs to get a better agent, at least negotiate a month-to-month contract instead of day-to-day.
Matz would have been a nice pickup. I thought Giants were”close” to the Alex’s - Wood and Cobb. I have a concern about Giants losing out on players because they won’t pay top dollar within the particular range. I don’t know how “real” the Calif tax premium is. But if that’s reality, deal with it.
This off season is the most important in years. 107 win team in a big market with a ton of money available to them. The reputation of excellent coaching. They darn well better come up big this off season.
That doesn’t necessarily mean signing a whale. Although they should. It does mean signing about 4 more mid level starting pitchers (or obtaining through a trade) an everyday outfielder as I think Yaz will be platooned (they don’t have any) preferably that can play Center and a top end multi position (they aren’t utility players anymore) player.
The Giants have enormous turnover. Posey has retired. Unless they score big this off season they easily can backslide to a. .500 or below team
What they did in ‘21 was remarkable. But not sustainable. They need some stability in the staff and a couple key position pickups. Think 3 year deals.
Their minor league system is strong now. But prospects are just that. And their top ones are a couple years away. Zaidi and Co can determine who is quasi untouchable. Any others may be trade chips for the right deal. It’s essentially what the Dodgers did. Along with finding the diamonds in the rough and signing the occasional whale.
Watch what Dodgers do this off season. Seager is probably going to be a 6 to 7 $ 180 to 200 million guy. Giants won’t even consider, I suspect. Dodgers look to be ready to resign. If they also add Scherzer at around $30 to $35 for a year or two and sign Taylor, you have your answer. The organizations will be dealing at completely different levels. Giants cannot consistently compete if that is the case.
As for SD - Melvin is already a key signing. Bring some stability to a team with talent. They may be in ‘22 what they were expected to be in ‘21.
78-84 would take a lot from what was achieved this year.
Time to open the checkbook. RIGHT. FRICKING. NOW.
11-24-2021, 11:15 AM
(11-24-2021, 09:21 AM)lex24 Wrote: I thought Giants were”close” to the Alex’s - Wood and Cobb. I have a concern about Giants losing out on players because they won’t pay top dollar within the particular range. I don’t know how “real” the Calif tax premium is. But if that’s reality, deal with it.
Alex Wood signing with SF for 2 years x $10 mm according to Jeff Passan, who is almost always correct on these things.
(11-24-2021, 09:21 AM)lex24 Wrote: I thought Giants were”close” to the Alex’s - Wood and Cobb. I have a concern about Giants losing out on players because they won’t pay top dollar within the particular range. I don’t know how “real” the Calif tax premium is. But if that’s reality, deal with it.
Alex Wood signing with SF for 2 years x $10 mm according to Jeff Passan, who is almost always correct on these things.
11-24-2021, 11:22 AM
(11-24-2021, 11:15 AM)DC 86 Wrote:(11-24-2021, 09:21 AM)lex24 Wrote: I thought Giants were”close” to the Alex’s - Wood and Cobb. I have a concern about Giants losing out on players because they won’t pay top dollar within the particular range. I don’t know how “real” the Calif tax premium is. But if that’s reality, deal with it.
Alex Wood signing with SF for 2 years x $10 mm according to Jeff Passan, who is almost always correct on these things.
Saw that a while back. Suspect it will happen. Also supposedly close on Cobb. Be very curious to know how hard they pursued Metz.
(11-24-2021, 11:15 AM)DC 86 Wrote:(11-24-2021, 09:21 AM)lex24 Wrote: I thought Giants were”close” to the Alex’s - Wood and Cobb. I have a concern about Giants losing out on players because they won’t pay top dollar within the particular range. I don’t know how “real” the Calif tax premium is. But if that’s reality, deal with it.
Alex Wood signing with SF for 2 years x $10 mm according to Jeff Passan, who is almost always correct on these things.
Saw that a while back. Suspect it will happen. Also supposedly close on Cobb. Be very curious to know how hard they pursued Metz.
11-24-2021, 11:23 AM
(11-24-2021, 11:22 AM)lex24 Wrote:(11-24-2021, 11:15 AM)DC 86 Wrote:(11-24-2021, 09:21 AM)lex24 Wrote: I thought Giants were”close” to the Alex’s - Wood and Cobb. I have a concern about Giants losing out on players because they won’t pay top dollar within the particular range. I don’t know how “real” the Calif tax premium is. But if that’s reality, deal with it.
Alex Wood signing with SF for 2 years x $10 mm according to Jeff Passan, who is almost always correct on these things.
Saw that a while back. Suspect it will happen. Also supposedly close on Cobb. Be very curious to know how hard they pursued Metz.
Cobb and Wood supposedly on team-friendly deals.
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(11-24-2021, 11:22 AM)lex24 Wrote:(11-24-2021, 11:15 AM)DC 86 Wrote:(11-24-2021, 09:21 AM)lex24 Wrote: I thought Giants were”close” to the Alex’s - Wood and Cobb. I have a concern about Giants losing out on players because they won’t pay top dollar within the particular range. I don’t know how “real” the Calif tax premium is. But if that’s reality, deal with it.
Alex Wood signing with SF for 2 years x $10 mm according to Jeff Passan, who is almost always correct on these things.
Saw that a while back. Suspect it will happen. Also supposedly close on Cobb. Be very curious to know how hard they pursued Metz.
Cobb and Wood supposedly on team-friendly deals.
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