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(07-06-2020, 04:12 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: If you want the truth...
This is the product of decades of right wing nut jobs ascending from marginalized cranks to mainstream “conservative” thought. Attacking the media, science, facts, and living in an alternate reality conspiracy theory world, politicizing anything and everything that doesn’t suit your preferred reality is the coin of the realm. That woman in the video may be sick, but there are far too many like her for us to have a functioning society that can address its problems in any effective way. And no person is more responsible for this than Rupert Murdoch, IMO. Ds and Rs always debated policy, which is healthy. But Murdoch ushered in an opinion as media model that traded journalism for opinion as news, telling its audience there is an other they can’t trust. So when there once was agreed on facts that led to policy debate, we now have disagreement on facts and no debate on policy. The Sunday NYT article about Texas and Lubbock in particular was just unreal, as it exposed not the Covid-19 disease, as much as the sickness in people who have been led to deny science and distrust every institution that could solve our problems.
I remember before 2016 Alex Jones was thought to be a crackpot entertainer. Four years later, he’s not even as cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs as Qanon cultists, who are now winning primaries in the GOP because people like Ronald Reagan, Thomas Buckley, and Barry Goldwater, once the standard bearers for conservative thought, would be driven out of the GOP on rails. What’s amazing is a major political party has embraced idiocy, irresponsibility, and selfishness as its brand, when it once decried all three. That woman in the Target video could be chosen to run for Congress. That should scare the crap out of everyone who finds that idea implausible, because it isn’t.
(07-06-2020, 04:40 AM)lex24 Wrote:(07-06-2020, 04:12 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: If you want the truth...
This is the product of decades of right wing nut jobs ascending from marginalized cranks to mainstream “conservative” thought. Attacking the media, science, facts, and living in an alternate reality conspiracy theory world, politicizing anything and everything that doesn’t suit your preferred reality is the coin of the realm. That woman in the video may be sick, but there are far too many like her for us to have a functioning society that can address its problems in any effective way. And no person is more responsible for this than Rupert Murdoch, IMO. Ds and Rs always debated policy, which is healthy. But Murdoch ushered in an opinion as media model that traded journalism for opinion as news, telling its audience there is an other they can’t trust. So when there once was agreed on facts that led to policy debate, we now have disagreement on facts and no debate on policy. The Sunday NYT article about Texas and Lubbock in particular was just unreal, as it exposed not the Covid-19 disease, as much as the sickness in people who have been led to deny science and distrust every institution that could solve our problems.
I remember before 2016 Alex Jones was thought to be a crackpot entertainer. Four years later, he’s not even as cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs as Qanon cultists, who are now winning primaries in the GOP because people like Ronald Reagan, Thomas Buckley, and Barry Goldwater, once the standard bearers for conservative thought, would be driven out of the GOP on rails. What’s amazing is a major political party has embraced idiocy, irresponsibility, and selfishness as its brand, when it once decried all three. That woman in the Target video could be chosen to run for Congress. That should scare the crap out of everyone who finds that idea implausible, because it isn’t.
Gee, I thought it was just the actions of a possibly mentally ill person. One person. Of course with social media she now is a poster child for folks to make comments suggesting she is somehow representative of some larger movement, group etc.
How bout the women in the car. What movement or group does she define.
But let me answer and give the “truth” on both - that is this: no idea. Imagine that. I am incapable of taking a short video of someone I’ve never met, Bender known, no nothing about and use that to support whatever political view I have. I just don’t have the same ability as some, I guess.
As for Fox News. Yes, it is the root of all evil. A MSM source that dares lean right of center is dangerous. All should be completely “unbiased” like CNN. Or for that matter the NYT, At least the latter had an honest Omsbudsman a few years back that admitted “of course we are liberal”. Or words to that effect.
(07-06-2020, 04:12 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: If you want the truth...
This is the product of decades of right wing nut jobs ascending from marginalized cranks to mainstream “conservative” thought. Attacking the media, science, facts, and living in an alternate reality conspiracy theory world, politicizing anything and everything that doesn’t suit your preferred reality is the coin of the realm. That woman in the video may be sick, but there are far too many like her for us to have a functioning society that can address its problems in any effective way. And no person is more responsible for this than Rupert Murdoch, IMO. Ds and Rs always debated policy, which is healthy. But Murdoch ushered in an opinion as media model that traded journalism for opinion as news, telling its audience there is an other they can’t trust. So when there once was agreed on facts that led to policy debate, we now have disagreement on facts and no debate on policy. The Sunday NYT article about Texas and Lubbock in particular was just unreal, as it exposed not the Covid-19 disease, as much as the sickness in people who have been led to deny science and distrust every institution that could solve our problems.
I remember before 2016 Alex Jones was thought to be a crackpot entertainer. Four years later, he’s not even as cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs as Qanon cultists, who are now winning primaries in the GOP because people like Ronald Reagan, Thomas Buckley, and Barry Goldwater, once the standard bearers for conservative thought, would be driven out of the GOP on rails. What’s amazing is a major political party has embraced idiocy, irresponsibility, and selfishness as its brand, when it once decried all three. That woman in the Target video could be chosen to run for Congress. That should scare the crap out of everyone who finds that idea implausible, because it isn’t.
(07-06-2020, 04:40 AM)lex24 Wrote:(07-06-2020, 04:12 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: If you want the truth...
This is the product of decades of right wing nut jobs ascending from marginalized cranks to mainstream “conservative” thought. Attacking the media, science, facts, and living in an alternate reality conspiracy theory world, politicizing anything and everything that doesn’t suit your preferred reality is the coin of the realm. That woman in the video may be sick, but there are far too many like her for us to have a functioning society that can address its problems in any effective way. And no person is more responsible for this than Rupert Murdoch, IMO. Ds and Rs always debated policy, which is healthy. But Murdoch ushered in an opinion as media model that traded journalism for opinion as news, telling its audience there is an other they can’t trust. So when there once was agreed on facts that led to policy debate, we now have disagreement on facts and no debate on policy. The Sunday NYT article about Texas and Lubbock in particular was just unreal, as it exposed not the Covid-19 disease, as much as the sickness in people who have been led to deny science and distrust every institution that could solve our problems.
I remember before 2016 Alex Jones was thought to be a crackpot entertainer. Four years later, he’s not even as cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs as Qanon cultists, who are now winning primaries in the GOP because people like Ronald Reagan, Thomas Buckley, and Barry Goldwater, once the standard bearers for conservative thought, would be driven out of the GOP on rails. What’s amazing is a major political party has embraced idiocy, irresponsibility, and selfishness as its brand, when it once decried all three. That woman in the Target video could be chosen to run for Congress. That should scare the crap out of everyone who finds that idea implausible, because it isn’t.
Gee, I thought it was just the actions of a possibly mentally ill person. One person. Of course with social media she now is a poster child for folks to make comments suggesting she is somehow representative of some larger movement, group etc.
How bout the women in the car. What movement or group does she define.
But let me answer and give the “truth” on both - that is this: no idea. Imagine that. I am incapable of taking a short video of someone I’ve never met, Bender known, no nothing about and use that to support whatever political view I have. I just don’t have the same ability as some, I guess.
As for Fox News. Yes, it is the root of all evil. A MSM source that dares lean right of center is dangerous. All should be completely “unbiased” like CNN. Or for that matter the NYT, At least the latter had an honest Omsbudsman a few years back that admitted “of course we are liberal”. Or words to that effect.
(07-06-2020, 06:10 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/50...op-problem
https://nypost.com/2020/05/21/qanon-cons...e-primary/
Yes, Fox News is a problem. I felt in the 1990s it should have been regulated because I could see it becoming dangerous. A credible argument can't be made that if it or something like it didn't exist, we wouldn't be facing the calamity we are now. This doesn't mean there isn't a place for what people might call conservative ideas, but making shit up from whole cloth without any effort to do real journalism and being totally unmoored by facts, leads to a culture of distrust and division. It's not sustainable.
If you need to bury your head in the sand and think that woman in Target video is some sort of anomaly, or not a symptom of a much larger disease, to sleep better at night, go right ahead. Just know that isn't going to make it go away.
(07-06-2020, 02:18 AM)Snorlax94 Wrote: There’s a follow up video for the mask woman in Target
https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/05/arizona-s...40k-rolex/
She seems possibly mentally ill because she says she is a spokesperson for QAnon and claims she talks to Donald Trump every day.
But, I do think this woman’s actions are relevant to the discussions here because there is a broad concensus that masks are effective, and could be the single most effective thing people could do to really save this country. The resistance to masks seems to be unique to America, and, to me, somewhat of a mystery. I want to understand the anti-maskers better because I want America to stop being the most disastrous country in the world, I want to get the American economy going, I want college football to be able to happen this year, and I want my kids to be able to go to school and see their classmates, and from the information I have seen that has been made public, the two biggest barriers to these things happening are people not wearing masks and people having house and/or drinking parties, often indoors and without masks.
As for this woman in particular, it really makes me wonder if some people just can’t handle the stress of the pandemic and they pop, which people do in all sorts of ways, but if they blow up in a way that makes a pandemic worse, and influences other people to make the pandemic worse, I think it is a serious and relevant topic.
(07-06-2020, 06:10 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/50...op-problem
https://nypost.com/2020/05/21/qanon-cons...e-primary/
Yes, Fox News is a problem. I felt in the 1990s it should have been regulated because I could see it becoming dangerous. A credible argument can't be made that if it or something like it didn't exist, we wouldn't be facing the calamity we are now. This doesn't mean there isn't a place for what people might call conservative ideas, but making shit up from whole cloth without any effort to do real journalism and being totally unmoored by facts, leads to a culture of distrust and division. It's not sustainable.
If you need to bury your head in the sand and think that woman in Target video is some sort of anomaly, or not a symptom of a much larger disease, to sleep better at night, go right ahead. Just know that isn't going to make it go away.
(07-06-2020, 02:18 AM)Snorlax94 Wrote: There’s a follow up video for the mask woman in Target
https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/05/arizona-s...40k-rolex/
She seems possibly mentally ill because she says she is a spokesperson for QAnon and claims she talks to Donald Trump every day.
But, I do think this woman’s actions are relevant to the discussions here because there is a broad concensus that masks are effective, and could be the single most effective thing people could do to really save this country. The resistance to masks seems to be unique to America, and, to me, somewhat of a mystery. I want to understand the anti-maskers better because I want America to stop being the most disastrous country in the world, I want to get the American economy going, I want college football to be able to happen this year, and I want my kids to be able to go to school and see their classmates, and from the information I have seen that has been made public, the two biggest barriers to these things happening are people not wearing masks and people having house and/or drinking parties, often indoors and without masks.
As for this woman in particular, it really makes me wonder if some people just can’t handle the stress of the pandemic and they pop, which people do in all sorts of ways, but if they blow up in a way that makes a pandemic worse, and influences other people to make the pandemic worse, I think it is a serious and relevant topic.