[Beeg_Dawg]

The second half defensive performance was in part due to injury. They lost Reid Buncom Robinson and Swan.  Already were missing  Holder Alfieri and Cotton.

7 of their top defenders. Makes it tough. Not an excuse. Next man up etc. But still...

Next man up works well in theory.  There is a reason the "next man up" is the next man.  He is not as good as the man he is replacing .

[Beeg_Dawg]

The second half defensive performance was in part due to injury. They lost Reid Buncom Robinson and Swan.  Already were missing  Holder Alfieri and Cotton.

7 of their top defenders. Makes it tough. Not an excuse. Next man up etc. But still...

Next man up works well in theory.  There is a reason the "next man up" is the next man.  He is not as good as the man he is replacing .

[Beeg_Dawg]

The second half defensive performance was in part due to injury. They lost Reid Buncom Robinson and Swan.  Already were missing  Holder Alfieri and Cotton.

7 of their top defenders. Makes it tough. Not an excuse. Next man up etc. But still...

Next man up works well in theory.  There is a reason the "next man up" is the next man.  He is not as good as the man he is replacing .

[Beeg_Dawg]

The second half defensive performance was in part due to injury. They lost Reid Buncom Robinson and Swan.  Already were missing  Holder Alfieri and Cotton.

7 of their top defenders. Makes it tough. Not an excuse. Next man up etc. But still...

Next man up works well in theory.  There is a reason the "next man up" is the next man.  He is not as good as the man he is replacing .

[martyup]

Let's face it.  It's all Love's fault.  He just scores too fast.  This disrupts Shaw's strategy of ball control offense.  Love's selfish penchant for 50+ yard TD runs just kills our T.O.P.  I'll bet our D was cringing every time Bryce broke through the to the second level.  Doesn't he know that scoring so fast just puts the other team's offense back on the field?  Couldn't he give our D a break by just running out of bounds after making a first down?  Maybe if we had a better and deeper defense he could get away with his showboating.  But, we must accept the truth that Bryce Love is the reason we lost 5 games this season.  ::)

[martyup]

Let's face it.  It's all Love's fault.  He just scores too fast.  This disrupts Shaw's strategy of ball control offense.  Love's selfish penchant for 50+ yard TD runs just kills our T.O.P.  I'll bet our D was cringing every time Bryce broke through the to the second level.  Doesn't he know that scoring so fast just puts the other team's offense back on the field?  Couldn't he give our D a break by just running out of bounds after making a first down?  Maybe if we had a better and deeper defense he could get away with his showboating.  But, we must accept the truth that Bryce Love is the reason we lost 5 games this season.  ::)

[Goose]

Let's face it.  It's all Love's fault.  He just scores too fast.  This disrupts Shaw's strategy of ball control offense.  Love's selfish penchant for 50+ yard TD runs just kills our T.O.P.  I'll bet our D was cringing every time Bryce broke through the to the second level.  Doesn't he know that scoring so fast just puts the other team's offense back on the field?  Couldn't he give our D a break by just running out of bounds after making a first down?  Maybe if we had a better and deeper defense he could get away with his showboating.  But, we must accept the truth that Bryce Love is the reason we lost 5 games this season.  ::)

Martyup, I know that this post is meant in jest. Unfortunately, I think there is a grain of truth in it. I am sure the defense loved it when Love ran 50+ yards for a touchdown. No problem there. The problem is when he gets stopped on first and second down for three yards or less, and we have to convert a 3rd and long to keep the ball. We just aren't as good at that as we need to be if we want to win 10 games or more in the regular season. This high variance discussion has been beat to death here, so I won't add any more fuel, but I do think the coaching staff has had to make adjustments with both CMac and Love that were mixed blessings. Love didn't cause us to lose the games we lost, but our inability to convert on 3rd and long did contribute greatly to those losses. So, we either needed to be better at third and long, or not have so many of them. :)

[Goose]

Let's face it.  It's all Love's fault.  He just scores too fast.  This disrupts Shaw's strategy of ball control offense.  Love's selfish penchant for 50+ yard TD runs just kills our T.O.P.  I'll bet our D was cringing every time Bryce broke through the to the second level.  Doesn't he know that scoring so fast just puts the other team's offense back on the field?  Couldn't he give our D a break by just running out of bounds after making a first down?  Maybe if we had a better and deeper defense he could get away with his showboating.  But, we must accept the truth that Bryce Love is the reason we lost 5 games this season.  ::)

Martyup, I know that this post is meant in jest. Unfortunately, I think there is a grain of truth in it. I am sure the defense loved it when Love ran 50+ yards for a touchdown. No problem there. The problem is when he gets stopped on first and second down for three yards or less, and we have to convert a 3rd and long to keep the ball. We just aren't as good at that as we need to be if we want to win 10 games or more in the regular season. This high variance discussion has been beat to death here, so I won't add any more fuel, but I do think the coaching staff has had to make adjustments with both CMac and Love that were mixed blessings. Love didn't cause us to lose the games we lost, but our inability to convert on 3rd and long did contribute greatly to those losses. So, we either needed to be better at third and long, or not have so many of them. :)

[martyup]

Humor is the good natured side of a truth.

- quoted in Mark Twain and I, Opie Read

[martyup]

Humor is the good natured side of a truth.

- quoted in Mark Twain and I, Opie Read

[Mick]

[quote author=CornFed link=topic=18444.msg219861#msg219861 date=1514670742]
[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=18444.msg219851#msg219851 date=1514661531]
"Eye test" = "something I observe which I refuse to allow any external evidence to contradict"

And statistics in isolation are for people lacking a "feel" for the game (momentum, emotion, sense of something "weird" going on).  I would suggest that properly using statistical input involves realtime assessment of what is unfolding, i.e. "the eye test".  Or perhaps those who dismiss "the eye test" categorically feel that ultimately play-calling can be done w/ an algorithm.
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Oh, I don't dismiss the eye test. I dismiss teejers' use of the eye test, which is a mysterious test that involves discounting some statistics, using others, invoking mysterious principles, and coming to the conclusion that David Shaw's bad offensive coaching caused the sinking of the Lusitania.
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How dare you imply that David Shaw's offensive coaching caused the sinking of the Lusitania when any combination of sight test, smell test, taste test, hearing test, touch test and sixth sense test clearly indicate that the sinking of the Lusitania, Andrea Doria and Titanic resulted from a combination of Wlat Harris' heinously poor coaching and interpersonal skills and Buddy Teevens' general amiability and lack of cranial capacity?

[Mick]

[quote author=CornFed link=topic=18444.msg219861#msg219861 date=1514670742]
[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=18444.msg219851#msg219851 date=1514661531]
"Eye test" = "something I observe which I refuse to allow any external evidence to contradict"

And statistics in isolation are for people lacking a "feel" for the game (momentum, emotion, sense of something "weird" going on).  I would suggest that properly using statistical input involves realtime assessment of what is unfolding, i.e. "the eye test".  Or perhaps those who dismiss "the eye test" categorically feel that ultimately play-calling can be done w/ an algorithm.
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Oh, I don't dismiss the eye test. I dismiss teejers' use of the eye test, which is a mysterious test that involves discounting some statistics, using others, invoking mysterious principles, and coming to the conclusion that David Shaw's bad offensive coaching caused the sinking of the Lusitania.
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How dare you imply that David Shaw's offensive coaching caused the sinking of the Lusitania when any combination of sight test, smell test, taste test, hearing test, touch test and sixth sense test clearly indicate that the sinking of the Lusitania, Andrea Doria and Titanic resulted from a combination of Wlat Harris' heinously poor coaching and interpersonal skills and Buddy Teevens' general amiability and lack of cranial capacity?