03-05-2017, 03:02 PM
(03-05-2017, 07:23 AM)Stymie link Wrote:Rector 4.42ed yesterday. Tied for 7th amongst WRs. Not bad for an underachiever....
Of course that is precisely why some think he underachieved with respect to his potential.
Combine Starts
Of course that is precisely why some think he underachieved with respect to his potential.
03-05-2017, 03:10 PM
(03-05-2017, 12:33 PM)qwerty49 link Wrote:[quote author=DC 86 link=topic=16636.msg189517#msg189517 date=1488732937]
Soloman Thomas 4.70 and 4.71 40 unofficial.
Solly's official time was 4.69
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That seems crazy fast for a d-lineman.
BC
(03-05-2017, 12:33 PM)qwerty49 link Wrote:[quote author=DC 86 link=topic=16636.msg189517#msg189517 date=1488732937]
Soloman Thomas 4.70 and 4.71 40 unofficial.
Solly's official time was 4.69
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That seems crazy fast for a d-lineman.
BC
(03-05-2017, 03:10 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=qwerty49 link=topic=16636.msg189526#msg189526 date=1488742427]
Solly's official time was 4.69
That seems crazy fast for a d-lineman.
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That seems to be eleventh among DL.
On the other hand he was top 5 in: bench, broad jump, 3 cone drill, and 20 yard shuttle.
(03-05-2017, 03:10 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=qwerty49 link=topic=16636.msg189526#msg189526 date=1488742427]
Solly's official time was 4.69
That seems crazy fast for a d-lineman.
[/quote]
That seems to be eleventh among DL.
On the other hand he was top 5 in: bench, broad jump, 3 cone drill, and 20 yard shuttle.
03-05-2017, 03:57 PM
(03-05-2017, 03:14 PM)CTcard link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=16636.msg189534#msg189534 date=1488751826]
[quote author=qwerty49 link=topic=16636.msg189526#msg189526 date=1488742427]
Solly's official time was 4.69
That seems crazy fast for a d-lineman.
[/quote]
That seems to be eleventh among DL.
On the other hand he was top 5 in: bench, broad jump, 3 cone drill, and 20 yard shuttle.
[/quote]
He also finished first in "That's exactly how it should look" comments from coaches.
(03-05-2017, 03:14 PM)CTcard link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=16636.msg189534#msg189534 date=1488751826]
[quote author=qwerty49 link=topic=16636.msg189526#msg189526 date=1488742427]
Solly's official time was 4.69
That seems crazy fast for a d-lineman.
[/quote]
That seems to be eleventh among DL.
On the other hand he was top 5 in: bench, broad jump, 3 cone drill, and 20 yard shuttle.
[/quote]
He also finished first in "That's exactly how it should look" comments from coaches.
03-05-2017, 04:56 PM
(03-05-2017, 03:57 PM)ThePOC link Wrote:[quote author=CTcard link=topic=16636.msg189536#msg189536 date=1488752097]
[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=16636.msg189534#msg189534 date=1488751826]
[quote author=qwerty49 link=topic=16636.msg189526#msg189526 date=1488742427]
Solly's official time was 4.69
That seems crazy fast for a d-lineman.
[/quote]
That seems to be eleventh among DL.
On the other hand he was top 5 in: bench, broad jump, 3 cone drill, and 20 yard shuttle.
[/quote]
He also finished first in "That's exactly how it should look" comments from coaches.
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I can't help but wonder if doing it exactly how it should look suggests he has maxed out with limited upside if given time with top NFL coaches. Maybe the next stage of this combine silliness will be to go to gurus that can make it look like you are raw, while still getting close to peak times.
(03-05-2017, 03:57 PM)ThePOC link Wrote:[quote author=CTcard link=topic=16636.msg189536#msg189536 date=1488752097]
[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=16636.msg189534#msg189534 date=1488751826]
[quote author=qwerty49 link=topic=16636.msg189526#msg189526 date=1488742427]
Solly's official time was 4.69
That seems crazy fast for a d-lineman.
[/quote]
That seems to be eleventh among DL.
On the other hand he was top 5 in: bench, broad jump, 3 cone drill, and 20 yard shuttle.
[/quote]
He also finished first in "That's exactly how it should look" comments from coaches.
[/quote]
I can't help but wonder if doing it exactly how it should look suggests he has maxed out with limited upside if given time with top NFL coaches. Maybe the next stage of this combine silliness will be to go to gurus that can make it look like you are raw, while still getting close to peak times.
03-05-2017, 05:54 PM
(03-05-2017, 04:56 PM)Farm93 link Wrote:[quote author=ThePOC link=topic=16636.msg189542#msg189542 date=1488754674]
[quote author=CTcard link=topic=16636.msg189536#msg189536 date=1488752097]
[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=16636.msg189534#msg189534 date=1488751826]
[quote author=qwerty49 link=topic=16636.msg189526#msg189526 date=1488742427]
Solly's official time was 4.69
That seems crazy fast for a d-lineman.
[/quote]
That seems to be eleventh among DL.
On the other hand he was top 5 in: bench, broad jump, 3 cone drill, and 20 yard shuttle.
[/quote]
He also finished first in "That's exactly how it should look" comments from coaches.
[/quote]
I can't help but wonder if doing it exactly how it should look suggests he has maxed out with limited upside if given time with top NFL coaches. Maybe the next stage of this combine silliness will be to go to gurus that can make it look like you are raw, while still getting close to peak times.
[/quote]
Mike Mayock made a similar comment about McCaffrey during his drills (that he was the model of how the drill in question should look) and noted how it's an excellent reflection on the program and coaching staff at Stanford. Made a similar comment about Thomas. He (Mayock) didn't say anything along the lines of what you're alluding to. Had he felt that way, he would have most likely said so.
To me, if a player is so mechanically sound that he's doing the drill exactly how I feel it should be done, that tells me he a) takes coaching very well and b) has been coached very well. That would be an indicator to me that he actually has more of an upside than a guy to whom I feel I have to waste time coaching fundamentals.
(03-05-2017, 04:56 PM)Farm93 link Wrote:[quote author=ThePOC link=topic=16636.msg189542#msg189542 date=1488754674]
[quote author=CTcard link=topic=16636.msg189536#msg189536 date=1488752097]
[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=16636.msg189534#msg189534 date=1488751826]
[quote author=qwerty49 link=topic=16636.msg189526#msg189526 date=1488742427]
Solly's official time was 4.69
That seems crazy fast for a d-lineman.
[/quote]
That seems to be eleventh among DL.
On the other hand he was top 5 in: bench, broad jump, 3 cone drill, and 20 yard shuttle.
[/quote]
He also finished first in "That's exactly how it should look" comments from coaches.
[/quote]
I can't help but wonder if doing it exactly how it should look suggests he has maxed out with limited upside if given time with top NFL coaches. Maybe the next stage of this combine silliness will be to go to gurus that can make it look like you are raw, while still getting close to peak times.
[/quote]
Mike Mayock made a similar comment about McCaffrey during his drills (that he was the model of how the drill in question should look) and noted how it's an excellent reflection on the program and coaching staff at Stanford. Made a similar comment about Thomas. He (Mayock) didn't say anything along the lines of what you're alluding to. Had he felt that way, he would have most likely said so.
To me, if a player is so mechanically sound that he's doing the drill exactly how I feel it should be done, that tells me he a) takes coaching very well and b) has been coached very well. That would be an indicator to me that he actually has more of an upside than a guy to whom I feel I have to waste time coaching fundamentals.
03-05-2017, 05:56 PM
times in the 40 are so overrated, particularly for linemen. I can see where it has some value for other positions, particularly WR and RB, though even in those positions it is overrated. But for linemen? Exactly how many times in a game is a member of the DL or OL going to run a 40-yard sprint down the field? We need to stop fetishizing that stat.
times in the 40 are so overrated, particularly for linemen. I can see where it has some value for other positions, particularly WR and RB, though even in those positions it is overrated. But for linemen? Exactly how many times in a game is a member of the DL or OL going to run a 40-yard sprint down the field? We need to stop fetishizing that stat.
03-05-2017, 05:59 PM
(03-05-2017, 05:56 PM)socalstanfan1 link Wrote:times in the 40 are so overrated, particularly for linemen. I can see where it has some value for other positions, particularly WR and RB, though even in those positions it is overrated. But for linemen? Exactly how many times in a game is a member of the DL or OL going to run a 40-yard sprint down the field? We need to stop fetishizing that stat.
Like with the vertical ("how often is a lineman going to have to jump straight up in the air?"), the point isn't to see how quickly they can run 40 yards. It's simply a measure of speed. The game has evolved to the point where speed is crucial, even from the defensive line.
Having said that, I feel it's a vastly inferior metric to the 10-yard split, which unfortunately nfl.com doesn't seem to publish. I know Thomas's was 1.69, which is quite good, but I don't know how he measured up to the others.
(03-05-2017, 05:56 PM)socalstanfan1 link Wrote:times in the 40 are so overrated, particularly for linemen. I can see where it has some value for other positions, particularly WR and RB, though even in those positions it is overrated. But for linemen? Exactly how many times in a game is a member of the DL or OL going to run a 40-yard sprint down the field? We need to stop fetishizing that stat.
Like with the vertical ("how often is a lineman going to have to jump straight up in the air?"), the point isn't to see how quickly they can run 40 yards. It's simply a measure of speed. The game has evolved to the point where speed is crucial, even from the defensive line.
Having said that, I feel it's a vastly inferior metric to the 10-yard split, which unfortunately nfl.com doesn't seem to publish. I know Thomas's was 1.69, which is quite good, but I don't know how he measured up to the others.
03-05-2017, 07:18 PM
Don't defensive linemen have to jump up to try to bat down a pass at the line?
As for defensive linemen running, I've seen Thomas catch a running back bouncing it outside. It might not be a 40 yard dash, but it is a good 20 yards.
BC
As for defensive linemen running, I've seen Thomas catch a running back bouncing it outside. It might not be a 40 yard dash, but it is a good 20 yards.
BC
Don't defensive linemen have to jump up to try to bat down a pass at the line?
As for defensive linemen running, I've seen Thomas catch a running back bouncing it outside. It might not be a 40 yard dash, but it is a good 20 yards.
BC
As for defensive linemen running, I've seen Thomas catch a running back bouncing it outside. It might not be a 40 yard dash, but it is a good 20 yards.
BC
03-05-2017, 07:37 PM
(03-05-2017, 07:18 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Don't defensive linemen have to jump up to try to bat down a pass at the line?
As for defensive linemen running, I've seen Thomas catch a running back bouncing it outside. It might not be a 40 yard dash, but it is a good 20 yards.
BC
Sure, linemen do occasionally have to do that. It's typically not something that requires a vertical jump of any significance, though.
(03-05-2017, 07:18 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Don't defensive linemen have to jump up to try to bat down a pass at the line?
As for defensive linemen running, I've seen Thomas catch a running back bouncing it outside. It might not be a 40 yard dash, but it is a good 20 yards.
BC
Sure, linemen do occasionally have to do that. It's typically not something that requires a vertical jump of any significance, though.
03-05-2017, 08:00 PM
Explosiveness, speed and power are legitimate skills and these drills are legitimate KPIs when taken in context with the other drills.Â
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
Explosiveness, speed and power are legitimate skills and these drills are legitimate KPIs when taken in context with the other drills.Â
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
03-05-2017, 08:06 PM
(03-05-2017, 08:00 PM)leftcoast link Wrote:Explosiveness, speed and power are legitimate skills and these drills are legitimate KPIs when taken in context with the other drills.
Right. A lot of the tests do not translate 1:1 onto the football field, but are valuable in other ways. It's akin to asking why players take the Wonderlic when they're never going to need to answer 50 multiple choice questions in 12 minutes during a football game.
(03-05-2017, 08:00 PM)leftcoast link Wrote:Explosiveness, speed and power are legitimate skills and these drills are legitimate KPIs when taken in context with the other drills.
Right. A lot of the tests do not translate 1:1 onto the football field, but are valuable in other ways. It's akin to asking why players take the Wonderlic when they're never going to need to answer 50 multiple choice questions in 12 minutes during a football game.
03-05-2017, 08:25 PM
(03-05-2017, 05:59 PM)ThePOC link Wrote:[quote author=socalstanfan1 link=topic=16636.msg189549#msg189549 date=1488761769]
times in the 40 are so overrated, particularly for linemen. I can see where it has some value for other positions, particularly WR and RB, though even in those positions it is overrated. But for linemen? Exactly how many times in a game is a member of the DL or OL going to run a 40-yard sprint down the field? We need to stop fetishizing that stat.
Like with the vertical ("how often is a lineman going to have to jump straight up in the air?"), the point isn't to see how quickly they can run 40 yards. It's simply a measure of speed. The game has evolved to the point where speed is crucial, even from the defensive line.
Having said that, I feel it's a vastly inferior metric to the 10-yard split, which unfortunately nfl.com doesn't seem to publish. I know Thomas's was 1.69, which is quite good, but I don't know how he measured up to the others.
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This was published earlier in the thread, but you can see that McCaffrey is considerably ahead of the other RBs after just five yards.
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/837755182544887808
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(03-05-2017, 05:59 PM)ThePOC link Wrote:[quote author=socalstanfan1 link=topic=16636.msg189549#msg189549 date=1488761769]
times in the 40 are so overrated, particularly for linemen. I can see where it has some value for other positions, particularly WR and RB, though even in those positions it is overrated. But for linemen? Exactly how many times in a game is a member of the DL or OL going to run a 40-yard sprint down the field? We need to stop fetishizing that stat.
Like with the vertical ("how often is a lineman going to have to jump straight up in the air?"), the point isn't to see how quickly they can run 40 yards. It's simply a measure of speed. The game has evolved to the point where speed is crucial, even from the defensive line.
Having said that, I feel it's a vastly inferior metric to the 10-yard split, which unfortunately nfl.com doesn't seem to publish. I know Thomas's was 1.69, which is quite good, but I don't know how he measured up to the others.
[/quote]
This was published earlier in the thread, but you can see that McCaffrey is considerably ahead of the other RBs after just five yards.
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/837755182544887808
Audaces fortuna iuvat
03-05-2017, 08:31 PM
(03-05-2017, 03:14 PM)CTcard link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=16636.msg189534#msg189534 date=1488751826]
[quote author=qwerty49 link=topic=16636.msg189526#msg189526 date=1488742427]
Solly's official time was 4.69
That seems crazy fast for a d-lineman.
[/quote]
That seems to be eleventh among DL.
On the other hand he was top 5 in: bench, broad jump, 3 cone drill, and 20 yard shuttle.
[/quote]
It is crazy fast; it's true that he finished 11th among the DL group but the ten men who ran faster all weighed in less than Thomas, many of them 20+ lb lighter. The DL group includes a number of pure edge rushers or hybrid types who aren't comparable to Thomas in on-field responsibility. The "DL" with the fastest time (Haason Reddick) is listed at 6-1 and 237 lb. The freakish Myles Garrett (who ran 4.64) is one of the only DL who posted a better 40 time than Thomas and is comparably sized.
(03-05-2017, 03:14 PM)CTcard link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=16636.msg189534#msg189534 date=1488751826]
[quote author=qwerty49 link=topic=16636.msg189526#msg189526 date=1488742427]
Solly's official time was 4.69
That seems crazy fast for a d-lineman.
[/quote]
That seems to be eleventh among DL.
On the other hand he was top 5 in: bench, broad jump, 3 cone drill, and 20 yard shuttle.
[/quote]
It is crazy fast; it's true that he finished 11th among the DL group but the ten men who ran faster all weighed in less than Thomas, many of them 20+ lb lighter. The DL group includes a number of pure edge rushers or hybrid types who aren't comparable to Thomas in on-field responsibility. The "DL" with the fastest time (Haason Reddick) is listed at 6-1 and 237 lb. The freakish Myles Garrett (who ran 4.64) is one of the only DL who posted a better 40 time than Thomas and is comparably sized.
03-07-2017, 02:21 PM
Quote:Rector said Friday here at the leagues annual scouting summit he has been talking to Seahawks wide receiver Doug Baldwin about how to best prepare himself for entry into the NFL
http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl...10743.html
Quote:Rector said Friday here at the leagues annual scouting summit he has been talking to Seahawks wide receiver Doug Baldwin about how to best prepare himself for entry into the NFL
http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl...10743.html
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