[BigEasyCard]

http://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs/9110251/...ball-coach

Job posting for Assistant Coach job previously held by Megan Langenfeld.

Glad to see a stated commitment to excellence:

"... Stanford’s intercollegiate athletics department is seen as the premier athletic program in the country, achieving the highest levels of success both in the classroom and on the field. The core tenants (sic) of the Athletics Department culture, “The DAPER Way” are: Embrace Scholar-Athleticism, Pursue and Revere Excellence, Lead With Courage, and Work Cohesively.  All department actions and employees are guided by these principles.

We are on a mission to become the best college athletics department in the country. Our sports teams speak for themselves in terms of athletic success (combined with the academic success of our student-athletes) ..."

Geaux Cardinal!

[BigEasyCard]

http://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs/9110251/...ball-coach

Job posting for Assistant Coach job previously held by Megan Langenfeld.

Glad to see a stated commitment to excellence:

"... Stanford’s intercollegiate athletics department is seen as the premier athletic program in the country, achieving the highest levels of success both in the classroom and on the field. The core tenants (sic) of the Athletics Department culture, “The DAPER Way” are: Embrace Scholar-Athleticism, Pursue and Revere Excellence, Lead With Courage, and Work Cohesively.  All department actions and employees are guided by these principles.

We are on a mission to become the best college athletics department in the country. Our sports teams speak for themselves in terms of athletic success (combined with the academic success of our student-athletes) ..."

Geaux Cardinal!

[Cred]

Far be it from me to claim I know anything about Women's Softball, but I do know Stanford Softball has probably the most visible alum of any program in the country in ESPN MLB/softball analyst Jessica Mendoza.  Has she made her feelings felt on this topic or is she in any way using her platform to campaign for Stanford Softball improvement?

Mendoza certainly weighed in on the topic of Hanson's hiring 3 years ago, but I doubt she'll be publicly commenting on the topic of Hanson in the future.

From the Stanford Daily, July 17, 2014:

Stanford’s hire of Hanson was endorsed by arguably the greatest player in Cardinal program history, softball legend and now ESPN broadcaster Jessica Mendoza ‘02.

Mendoza, a four time All-American for the Card, told GoStanford.com, “Rachel is a great fit because she knows how to work with the student-athlete and relate to the uniqueness of the Stanford student-athlete. She’s able to bring out the best of the players and represent the university in the best way possible. The great thing about Stanford is that it’s ‘student’ before ‘athlete’ and Rachel gets that.”

Legendary Stanford softballer or not, Mendoza certainly whiffed on the occasion of this endorsement.

[Cred]

Far be it from me to claim I know anything about Women's Softball, but I do know Stanford Softball has probably the most visible alum of any program in the country in ESPN MLB/softball analyst Jessica Mendoza.  Has she made her feelings felt on this topic or is she in any way using her platform to campaign for Stanford Softball improvement?

Mendoza certainly weighed in on the topic of Hanson's hiring 3 years ago, but I doubt she'll be publicly commenting on the topic of Hanson in the future.

From the Stanford Daily, July 17, 2014:

Stanford’s hire of Hanson was endorsed by arguably the greatest player in Cardinal program history, softball legend and now ESPN broadcaster Jessica Mendoza ‘02.

Mendoza, a four time All-American for the Card, told GoStanford.com, “Rachel is a great fit because she knows how to work with the student-athlete and relate to the uniqueness of the Stanford student-athlete. She’s able to bring out the best of the players and represent the university in the best way possible. The great thing about Stanford is that it’s ‘student’ before ‘athlete’ and Rachel gets that.”

Legendary Stanford softballer or not, Mendoza certainly whiffed on the occasion of this endorsement.

[2006alum]

The great thing about Stanford is that it’s ‘student’ before ‘athlete’ and Rachel gets that.”

Legendary Stanford softballer or not, Mendoza certainly whiffed on the occasion of this endorsement.

Well, in fairness to Mendoza, she wasn't necessarily wrong either, as we've discussed earlier in the thread:

3.99 in Mech.Eng for Carolyn Lee??!! How is that even possible?? No wonder she can plot the ball's trajectories so precisely.

https://twitter.com/pac12/status/866715309687816192

Congrats to all the all-Pac12 players (5 first team players, 2 second team players).  Not bad for a team that, well, sucked.

BC

So yeah, I guess our softball team is bad at winning games as athletes but good at killing it at academics as students. Unfortunately we hired her to coach softball, not tutor mechanical engineering! But Mendoza's chief reason for endorsing her hiring wasn't off.

[2006alum]

The great thing about Stanford is that it’s ‘student’ before ‘athlete’ and Rachel gets that.”

Legendary Stanford softballer or not, Mendoza certainly whiffed on the occasion of this endorsement.

Well, in fairness to Mendoza, she wasn't necessarily wrong either, as we've discussed earlier in the thread:

3.99 in Mech.Eng for Carolyn Lee??!! How is that even possible?? No wonder she can plot the ball's trajectories so precisely.

https://twitter.com/pac12/status/866715309687816192

Congrats to all the all-Pac12 players (5 first team players, 2 second team players).  Not bad for a team that, well, sucked.

BC

So yeah, I guess our softball team is bad at winning games as athletes but good at killing it at academics as students. Unfortunately we hired her to coach softball, not tutor mechanical engineering! But Mendoza's chief reason for endorsing her hiring wasn't off.

[Cred]

[quote author=Cred link=topic=16598.msg194255#msg194255 date=1496235742]
The great thing about Stanford is that it’s ‘student’ before ‘athlete’ and Rachel gets that.”

Legendary Stanford softballer or not, Mendoza certainly whiffed on the occasion of this endorsement.

Well, in fairness to Mendoza, she wasn't necessarily wrong either, as we've discussed earlier in the thread:

3.99 in Mech.Eng for Carolyn Lee??!! How is that even possible?? No wonder she can plot the ball's trajectories so precisely.

https://twitter.com/pac12/status/866715309687816192

Congrats to all the all-Pac12 players (5 first team players, 2 second team players).  Not bad for a team that, well, sucked.

BC

So yeah, I guess our softball team is bad at winning games as athletes but good at killing it at academics as students. Unfortunately we hired her to coach softball, not tutor mechanical engineering! But Mendoza's chief reason for endorsing her hiring wasn't off.
[/quote]

Point taken. Admittedly, I had nothing other than my opinion of Hanson strictly as a softball coach in mind as I typed the final sentence of my post (feel free to charge me with an "e-10" on that flub) -- that, and the impossibility of getting that particular conception to jibe with the claim that "she's able to bring out the best of the players and represent the university in the best way possible."

In the interest of fairness, however, I want also to make it perfectly clear that my final statement was not intended to be misconstrued as a reply specifically targeting a single statement pulled out of context, and I hope few there were who, upon seeing it framed as such, got the wrong idea.

That said, I'll not be joining you in leaping to the conclusion that "Mendoza's chief reason for endorsing [Hanson's] hiring wasn't off." We simply don't know that; in fact, your claim hasn't even begun to be established, at least not here. Due acknowledgment of the players' extraordinary academic performance as a team (as you've provided above) hardly gets the ball rolling, much less accomplishes the task. Absent the introduction of any "hard" evidence at all that Hanson has been a "great fit" in the sense indicated, I, for one, am not inclined in the least to credit her, via blind presumption of the accuracy of your claim, with an "academic assist" with respect to what the players have achieved in the classroom. If anyone here possesses such evidence, however, I (and others on the board, no doubt) would appreciate the opportunity to see, scrutinize and evaluate it.

As for myself, I have yet to be exposed to any source that might shed a glimmer of light on just how "great" a fit Coach Culture Builder has been in the sense indicated by Mendoza, with the exception of the following excerpt from a Stanford Daily article (granted, it's two years old, but, then, Mendoza's endorsement is three)...

       
As the freshmen began to understand the team dynamic, they also noticed a cultural clash between the team and its new coach.

Several players considered Hanson controlling, with rules such as family time policy and a curfew on road trips that they felt demonstrated a lack of trust in players' maturity. Policies like these had not existed under Rittman, the coach who recruited them a year earlier. The curfew forced players who were staying up late to finish their homework to go into the bathroom for light. Eventually the team convinced Hanson to let them work in the lobby, but they were required to ask permission and say how late they would be there.
         
"We're all adults in a hotel; we don't have any means of leaving" one freshman said. "She really tried to do everything that she could to show she could control us."


Source of the above: http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/05/28/...signation/


...which, I think it would be fair to say, witnesses Hanson playing not an academically accommodating role, as one would expect of a so-called "great fit," but rather a hindering role, unfortunately--at least until the players' persistence in calling for enactment of reasonable policy paid off, that is.

[Cred]

[quote author=Cred link=topic=16598.msg194255#msg194255 date=1496235742]
The great thing about Stanford is that it’s ‘student’ before ‘athlete’ and Rachel gets that.”

Legendary Stanford softballer or not, Mendoza certainly whiffed on the occasion of this endorsement.

Well, in fairness to Mendoza, she wasn't necessarily wrong either, as we've discussed earlier in the thread:

3.99 in Mech.Eng for Carolyn Lee??!! How is that even possible?? No wonder she can plot the ball's trajectories so precisely.

https://twitter.com/pac12/status/866715309687816192

Congrats to all the all-Pac12 players (5 first team players, 2 second team players).  Not bad for a team that, well, sucked.

BC

So yeah, I guess our softball team is bad at winning games as athletes but good at killing it at academics as students. Unfortunately we hired her to coach softball, not tutor mechanical engineering! But Mendoza's chief reason for endorsing her hiring wasn't off.
[/quote]

Point taken. Admittedly, I had nothing other than my opinion of Hanson strictly as a softball coach in mind as I typed the final sentence of my post (feel free to charge me with an "e-10" on that flub) -- that, and the impossibility of getting that particular conception to jibe with the claim that "she's able to bring out the best of the players and represent the university in the best way possible."

In the interest of fairness, however, I want also to make it perfectly clear that my final statement was not intended to be misconstrued as a reply specifically targeting a single statement pulled out of context, and I hope few there were who, upon seeing it framed as such, got the wrong idea.

That said, I'll not be joining you in leaping to the conclusion that "Mendoza's chief reason for endorsing [Hanson's] hiring wasn't off." We simply don't know that; in fact, your claim hasn't even begun to be established, at least not here. Due acknowledgment of the players' extraordinary academic performance as a team (as you've provided above) hardly gets the ball rolling, much less accomplishes the task. Absent the introduction of any "hard" evidence at all that Hanson has been a "great fit" in the sense indicated, I, for one, am not inclined in the least to credit her, via blind presumption of the accuracy of your claim, with an "academic assist" with respect to what the players have achieved in the classroom. If anyone here possesses such evidence, however, I (and others on the board, no doubt) would appreciate the opportunity to see, scrutinize and evaluate it.

As for myself, I have yet to be exposed to any source that might shed a glimmer of light on just how "great" a fit Coach Culture Builder has been in the sense indicated by Mendoza, with the exception of the following excerpt from a Stanford Daily article (granted, it's two years old, but, then, Mendoza's endorsement is three)...

       
As the freshmen began to understand the team dynamic, they also noticed a cultural clash between the team and its new coach.

Several players considered Hanson controlling, with rules such as family time policy and a curfew on road trips that they felt demonstrated a lack of trust in players' maturity. Policies like these had not existed under Rittman, the coach who recruited them a year earlier. The curfew forced players who were staying up late to finish their homework to go into the bathroom for light. Eventually the team convinced Hanson to let them work in the lobby, but they were required to ask permission and say how late they would be there.
         
"We're all adults in a hotel; we don't have any means of leaving" one freshman said. "She really tried to do everything that she could to show she could control us."


Source of the above: http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/05/28/...signation/


...which, I think it would be fair to say, witnesses Hanson playing not an academically accommodating role, as one would expect of a so-called "great fit," but rather a hindering role, unfortunately--at least until the players' persistence in calling for enactment of reasonable policy paid off, that is.

[Mick]

As the freshmen began to understand the team dynamic, they also noticed a cultural clash between the team and its new coach.

Several players considered Hanson controlling, with rules such as family time policy and a curfew on road trips that they felt demonstrated a lack of trust in players' maturity. Policies like these had not existed under Rittman, the coach who recruited them a year earlier. The curfew forced players who were staying up late to finish their homework to go into the bathroom for light. Eventually the team convinced Hanson to let them work in the lobby, but they were required to ask permission and say how late they would be there.
         
"We're all adults in a hotel; we don't have any means of leaving" one freshman said. "She really tried to do everything that she could to show she could control us."


Source of the above: http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/05/28/...signation/


...which, I think it would be fair to say, witnesses Hanson playing not an academically accommodating role, as one would expect of a so-called "great fit," but rather a hindering role, unfortunately--at least until the players' persistence in calling for enactment of reasonable policy paid off, that is.

You would think that coming from Dartmouth she would have been accustomed to those academic restrictions.  I know a major reason my son went to Princeton rather than either of the MPSF schools recruiting him was that he would spend literally half the time on his sport than he would at MPSF schools.  Rachel Hanson had to be accustomed to the academic restrictions at Dartmouth.  I wonder why she had such onerous restrictions?  I wonder if she still does?

[Mick]

As the freshmen began to understand the team dynamic, they also noticed a cultural clash between the team and its new coach.

Several players considered Hanson controlling, with rules such as family time policy and a curfew on road trips that they felt demonstrated a lack of trust in players' maturity. Policies like these had not existed under Rittman, the coach who recruited them a year earlier. The curfew forced players who were staying up late to finish their homework to go into the bathroom for light. Eventually the team convinced Hanson to let them work in the lobby, but they were required to ask permission and say how late they would be there.
         
"We're all adults in a hotel; we don't have any means of leaving" one freshman said. "She really tried to do everything that she could to show she could control us."


Source of the above: http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/05/28/...signation/


...which, I think it would be fair to say, witnesses Hanson playing not an academically accommodating role, as one would expect of a so-called "great fit," but rather a hindering role, unfortunately--at least until the players' persistence in calling for enactment of reasonable policy paid off, that is.

You would think that coming from Dartmouth she would have been accustomed to those academic restrictions.  I know a major reason my son went to Princeton rather than either of the MPSF schools recruiting him was that he would spend literally half the time on his sport than he would at MPSF schools.  Rachel Hanson had to be accustomed to the academic restrictions at Dartmouth.  I wonder why she had such onerous restrictions?  I wonder if she still does?

[2006alum]

Just to be clear, I was being a bit flip in my earlier post - irony often doesn't come across well online. I guess my point was that insofar as Mendoza was extolling Hansen's virtues in supporting student-athletes, there is at least some objective proof of success on that metric, insofar as our team was half of the Pac-12 All-Academic First Team. Academic achievement notwithstanding, I suspect Mendoza - as well as anyone with half a brain - recognizes that this hasn't gone the way anyone had hoped. I just don't understand why we're not pulling the ripcord when our trajectory seems to have flatlined at rock bottom...

[2006alum]

Just to be clear, I was being a bit flip in my earlier post - irony often doesn't come across well online. I guess my point was that insofar as Mendoza was extolling Hansen's virtues in supporting student-athletes, there is at least some objective proof of success on that metric, insofar as our team was half of the Pac-12 All-Academic First Team. Academic achievement notwithstanding, I suspect Mendoza - as well as anyone with half a brain - recognizes that this hasn't gone the way anyone had hoped. I just don't understand why we're not pulling the ripcord when our trajectory seems to have flatlined at rock bottom...

[OutsiderFan]

A good rule of thumb for Stanford coach searches might be:  Never hire from Dartmouth.

[OutsiderFan]

A good rule of thumb for Stanford coach searches might be:  Never hire from Dartmouth.

[fullmetal]

To be fair, I think Teevens had several stints between his first Dartmouth position and Stanford.  But he is a Dartmouth alum, and he's back there now.

[fullmetal]

To be fair, I think Teevens had several stints between his first Dartmouth position and Stanford.  But he is a Dartmouth alum, and he's back there now.

[BobK]

Buddy was hired from Florida. 

[BobK]

Buddy was hired from Florida. 

[Mick]

Buddy was hired from Florida.

That and he fetched coffee for Mr. Spurrier.

[Mick]

Buddy was hired from Florida.

That and he fetched coffee for Mr. Spurrier.

[fullmetal]

BTW, my read of Mendoza's "endorsement" was lukewarm at best.  Probably didn't want to break ranks or appear critical after a period of intense controversy following Rittman's departure.  Sounds like she just wrote something because someone asked her.

Time for a change.

[fullmetal]

BTW, my read of Mendoza's "endorsement" was lukewarm at best.  Probably didn't want to break ranks or appear critical after a period of intense controversy following Rittman's departure.  Sounds like she just wrote something because someone asked her.

Time for a change.

[d4cohn]

At the WCWS, LSU is facing Florida, with former Stanford pitcher Carley Hoover facing off against Kelly Barnhill, who was strongly considering coming to Stanford, even after Coach Rittman's resignation. However, from what I heard, Coach Hanson handled her recruiting visit so badly that she ended up at Florida. Since then, Barnhill was named the USA Softball Player of the Year this season, as the best player in the country. Sadly emblematic of the leadership problems over the past three years.

[d4cohn]

At the WCWS, LSU is facing Florida, with former Stanford pitcher Carley Hoover facing off against Kelly Barnhill, who was strongly considering coming to Stanford, even after Coach Rittman's resignation. However, from what I heard, Coach Hanson handled her recruiting visit so badly that she ended up at Florida. Since then, Barnhill was named the USA Softball Player of the Year this season, as the best player in the country. Sadly emblematic of the leadership problems over the past three years.

[Cred]

At the WCWS, LSU is facing Florida, with former Stanford pitcher Carley Hoover facing off against Kelly Barnhill, who was strongly considering coming to Stanford, even after Coach Rittman's resignation. However, from what I heard, Coach Hanson handled her recruiting visit so badly that she ended up at Florida. Since then, Barnhill was named the USA Softball Player of the Year this season, as the best player in the country. Sadly emblematic of the leadership problems over the past three years.

Barnhill lowered her season ERA from 0.35 to 0.34 tonight with a two-hit shutout.

Her ERA for 2017 conference play? 0.09.

[Cred]

At the WCWS, LSU is facing Florida, with former Stanford pitcher Carley Hoover facing off against Kelly Barnhill, who was strongly considering coming to Stanford, even after Coach Rittman's resignation. However, from what I heard, Coach Hanson handled her recruiting visit so badly that she ended up at Florida. Since then, Barnhill was named the USA Softball Player of the Year this season, as the best player in the country. Sadly emblematic of the leadership problems over the past three years.

Barnhill lowered her season ERA from 0.35 to 0.34 tonight with a two-hit shutout.

Her ERA for 2017 conference play? 0.09.

[BostonCard]

I keep clicking on this thread thinking there is an announcement.

BC

[BostonCard]

I keep clicking on this thread thinking there is an announcement.

BC

[Mick]

Here's a Stanford Daily article demanding the firing of Rachel Hanson.  Oh wait, it's a year old.  Still a worthwhile read:

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2016/05/19/...n-the-axe/

[Mick]

Here's a Stanford Daily article demanding the firing of Rachel Hanson.  Oh wait, it's a year old.  Still a worthwhile read:

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2016/05/19/...n-the-axe/

[fullmetal]

However, from what I heard, Coach Hanson handled her recruiting visit so badly that she ended up at Florida.

Hanson should not be a coffee drinker.  Coffee is for closers.

[fullmetal]

However, from what I heard, Coach Hanson handled her recruiting visit so badly that she ended up at Florida.

Hanson should not be a coffee drinker.  Coffee is for closers.

[d4cohn]

[quote author=d4cohn link=topic=16598.msg194354#msg194354 date=1496446448]However, from what I heard, Coach Hanson handled her recruiting visit so badly that she ended up at Florida.

Hanson should not be a coffee drinker.  Coffee is for closers.
[/quote]

If I could, I would give you a +2 for that joke. In another news, the Board might be interested to hear that Mike White and the Oregon Ducks flamed out again at the WCWS.

[d4cohn]

[quote author=d4cohn link=topic=16598.msg194354#msg194354 date=1496446448]However, from what I heard, Coach Hanson handled her recruiting visit so badly that she ended up at Florida.

Hanson should not be a coffee drinker.  Coffee is for closers.
[/quote]

If I could, I would give you a +2 for that joke. In another news, the Board might be interested to hear that Mike White and the Oregon Ducks flamed out again at the WCWS.

[Mick]

[quote author=d4cohn link=topic=16598.msg194354#msg194354 date=1496446448]However, from what I heard, Coach Hanson handled her recruiting visit so badly that she ended up at Florida.

Hanson should not be a coffee drinker.  Coffee is for closers.
[/quote]

"The good news is, you're fired."  If only...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMFwFgG9NE8

[Mick]

[quote author=d4cohn link=topic=16598.msg194354#msg194354 date=1496446448]However, from what I heard, Coach Hanson handled her recruiting visit so badly that she ended up at Florida.

Hanson should not be a coffee drinker.  Coffee is for closers.
[/quote]

"The good news is, you're fired."  If only...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMFwFgG9NE8

[BobK]

Thrilled for White. Lol

[BobK]

Thrilled for White. Lol

[fullmetal]

Thrilled for White. Lol

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.


But seriously, how hard is it to sell Stanford to talented recruits who want to play at Stanford and get that Stanford degree?  With apologies to all but the coaching staff:

You got recruits comin' in. You think they came in to get out of the rain? A recruit don't walk on the lot unless she wants to commit. They're sitting out there waiting to give you their NLIs! Are you gonna take it?

[fullmetal]

Thrilled for White. Lol

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.


But seriously, how hard is it to sell Stanford to talented recruits who want to play at Stanford and get that Stanford degree?  With apologies to all but the coaching staff:

You got recruits comin' in. You think they came in to get out of the rain? A recruit don't walk on the lot unless she wants to commit. They're sitting out there waiting to give you their NLIs! Are you gonna take it?