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NC State was 7-5 this year. Does that make them horrible? Well, you tell me. Anyway, I would just be curious to know how many points you would be willing to give up and still take the Ducks.

Record in different conferences is wildly misleading (plus record is actually not a great indicator of team quality when you only play 12 games). F+ puts them just ahead of Navy in terms of quality. That's not a team that should be taking a top-4 school into the 4th quarter.

Anyway, why the hell does any of this matter to you? I think FSU isn't actually an elite team and that Oregon is, why do you care about that judgment?

[stupac2]

NC State was 7-5 this year. Does that make them horrible? Well, you tell me. Anyway, I would just be curious to know how many points you would be willing to give up and still take the Ducks.

Record in different conferences is wildly misleading (plus record is actually not a great indicator of team quality when you only play 12 games). F+ puts them just ahead of Navy in terms of quality. That's not a team that should be taking a top-4 school into the 4th quarter.

Anyway, why the hell does any of this matter to you? I think FSU isn't actually an elite team and that Oregon is, why do you care about that judgment?