[yvonne]

[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=6741.msg62647#msg62647 date=1369635220]
We got outrecruited, plan and simple.

Do you have any basis for saying that?  I don't see any.  It's pretty clear that Shaw and his staff are very good at recruiting.  So I really doubt that they messed this up.  But even if you do everything right when recruiting, you won't get every kid, and that's probably more true at Stanford than it is other places, just because Stanford is so unusual when compared to other schools playing top-notch football.  For some kids, it's the best place in the world for them to go.  And for others, it's not -- and when one of them chooses to go elsewhere, that doesn't necessarily mean "we got outrecruited."  It could just mean that the kid is a better fit somewhere else.  And as long as that's what it is (and I see no evidence to suggest it isn't), that's OK.
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I agree with you on almost everything you said, except I don't think WiM was intending to say that we did a bad job recruiting Peppers, only that Michigan won for this particular player. I think a lot of Stanford fans are quick to claim kids are academic casualties. It may be comforting to say that, and most of us think Stanford is the perfect place, but not every player feels that way.

[yvonne]

[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=6741.msg62647#msg62647 date=1369635220]
We got outrecruited, plan and simple.

Do you have any basis for saying that?  I don't see any.  It's pretty clear that Shaw and his staff are very good at recruiting.  So I really doubt that they messed this up.  But even if you do everything right when recruiting, you won't get every kid, and that's probably more true at Stanford than it is other places, just because Stanford is so unusual when compared to other schools playing top-notch football.  For some kids, it's the best place in the world for them to go.  And for others, it's not -- and when one of them chooses to go elsewhere, that doesn't necessarily mean "we got outrecruited."  It could just mean that the kid is a better fit somewhere else.  And as long as that's what it is (and I see no evidence to suggest it isn't), that's OK.
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I agree with you on almost everything you said, except I don't think WiM was intending to say that we did a bad job recruiting Peppers, only that Michigan won for this particular player. I think a lot of Stanford fans are quick to claim kids are academic casualties. It may be comforting to say that, and most of us think Stanford is the perfect place, but not every player feels that way.