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Probably just posturing but FWIW reportedly Poland, Baltics, and US want to say they'll shoot down subsequent aircraft incursions. Germany prefers more conciliatary language.

NATO allies are divided over whether the alliance should make it a policy to shoot down Russian jets that violate NATO’s airspace, with some countries including the US, Poland and Baltic nations signaling that future violations should be met with force, while others, including Germany, urge more restraint.

The issue came to a head during an emergency meeting of the North Atlantic Council on Tuesday, which was called by Estonia after three Russian fighter jets violated Estonian airspace last week for 12 minutes.

Representatives from several countries, including Poland and Estonia, wanted the joint statement following the meeting to make clear that any additional violations by Russia, including from manned aircraft, would be met with force, according to two NATO officials familiar with the discussions— something that NATO has the authority to do if necessary.

But Germany and some southern European countries pushed to remove that language from the statement, the NATO officials said, worrying it was too escalatory.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/25/politics/...s-response

Until Putin faces consequences he will continue with this sort of stuff. They just flew drones over Danish air bases. Remember, Russia already considers itself at war with NATO. And Ukraine, in spite of stepping over all the red lines Russia states, and not having any nukes of their own, has had the most success by ignoring the red lines.

[dabigv13]

Probably just posturing but FWIW reportedly Poland, Baltics, and US want to say they'll shoot down subsequent aircraft incursions. Germany prefers more conciliatary language.

NATO allies are divided over whether the alliance should make it a policy to shoot down Russian jets that violate NATO’s airspace, with some countries including the US, Poland and Baltic nations signaling that future violations should be met with force, while others, including Germany, urge more restraint.

The issue came to a head during an emergency meeting of the North Atlantic Council on Tuesday, which was called by Estonia after three Russian fighter jets violated Estonian airspace last week for 12 minutes.

Representatives from several countries, including Poland and Estonia, wanted the joint statement following the meeting to make clear that any additional violations by Russia, including from manned aircraft, would be met with force, according to two NATO officials familiar with the discussions— something that NATO has the authority to do if necessary.

But Germany and some southern European countries pushed to remove that language from the statement, the NATO officials said, worrying it was too escalatory.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/25/politics/...s-response

Until Putin faces consequences he will continue with this sort of stuff. They just flew drones over Danish air bases. Remember, Russia already considers itself at war with NATO. And Ukraine, in spite of stepping over all the red lines Russia states, and not having any nukes of their own, has had the most success by ignoring the red lines.