(06-25-2025, 05:09 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:(06-25-2025, 02:45 PM)Mick Wrote:(06-25-2025, 01:48 PM)Giants Wrote:Mays played just over eight years of the 10, Mantle played nine, Duke played ten. During that time, Mantle had a 173 OPS+, Mays had a 158 OPS+ and Snyder had a 147 OPS+(06-25-2025, 11:00 AM)BobK Wrote: Who was the best CFer in NY in the 50s
Few said Duke Snider. But that’s who hit the most HRs
I think Mays would have hit more than Snider had he not been in the military for most of 1952 and all of 1953.
Or if Snider had played in the Polo Grounds. Snider was a lefty. The right field foul pole in Ebbetts Field was just 297 feet, 344 to right center:
Angle / Ebbetts Field
Left field pole: 348 ft
Left-center field: 351 ft
Deep left-center: 393 ft
Deep right-center bleacher corner: 376 ft
Deep right-center notch: 395 ft
Right-center, scoreboard edges: 344 ft and 318 ft
Right field pole: 297 ft
Polo Grounds
Left field: 279 ft (85 m)
Left-center: 450 ft (137 m)
Center field: 483 ft (147 m)
Yankee Stadium (in 1950s)
Left Field – 318 feet (97 m)
Left-Center – 399 feet (122 m)
Center Field – 408 feet (124 m)
Right-Center – 385 feet (117 m)
Right Field – 314 feet (96 m)
Right-center: 449 ft (136 m)
Right field: 258 ft (78 m)
Mick -- Why 2 measurements for right and right-center for Yankee Stadium? I remember it was notorious for the "short porch" in right....
I think I left in Polo Grounds measurements at the bottom...good catch. These measurements are straight from Wikipedia, so you know it's right...
Left field 318 feet (97 m)
Left center 399 feet (120 m)
Center field 408 feet (124 m)
Right center 385 feet (120 m)
Right field 314 feet (96 m)
According to Wikipedia, the outfield measurements were exactly the same at the old and new stadium, though the backstop is about 20 feet closer. I've been to the new stadium a few times, it has a similar feel in the seats and on the concourses to the new Detroit stadium (never been to either of the old stadiums).
(06-25-2025, 05:27 PM)Giants Wrote: Counting the two partial seasons as full year, Mays played seven seasons in the 1950’s.
1951 - 121 games: called up after season started
1952 - 34 games: left for military duty early in the season
1954 - 59: full seasons
Agreed. Here's a comparison of games played between 1950 and 1959, along with 2Bs, 3Bs and HRs; total bases, BBS and K's for each player. As Giants notes, Mays played the equivalent of seven seasons, Mantle played nine, and Snider played ten:
Player, Games, 2Bs, 3Bs, HRs, TBs, BBs, SOs
Mays, 1,065, 204, 79, 250, 2,403, 505, 435
Mantle, 1,246, 208, 54, 280, 2,548, 892, 899
Snider, 1,418, 274, 57, 326, 2,971, 711, 851
And here is a fielding comparison during the same time period. The difference is stark:
Player, Games, POs errs, Assts, DPs, Fld%, Rtot RF (Range Factor vs. league avg.)
Mays, 1,058, 2,936, 58, 105, 36, .981, 64, +.60
Mantle, 1,222, 2,906, 58, 94, 25, .981, 19, +.20
Snider, 1,372, 3,149, 46, 87, 12, .986, -5, +.13
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