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One reason I wouldn't mind trading Patrick Bailey. His offensive fade after July 1, was terrible, and his September/October fade was literally one of the 20 worst in MLB history: as in worse than Casey Schmitt:

https://stathead.com/tiny/SYBwC

Add in the fact that his best skill is pitch framing, and MLB might go to all-electronic balls and strikes...and I wouldn't mind trading him.

Kapler ground Bailey into the dirt.  He was gassed.  It was obvious.  To anyone but Kapler.  Having said that, I don’t expect Bailey to be more than an average to slightly above average hitting catcher.  He is, however, special defensively.  Not just his pitch framing.  But how he works with the staff.  He also handles the running game well.

I don't think I agree with that, at least not as a starting catcher. He had 84 starts at catcher and came in as a defensive replacement 10 times. He was a hitting terror in May and June, batting about .326 with an OPS over .900. That was only after thirty starts. His batting average was .167 in July and his OPS dropped to .420. Now if you're claiming he was gassed after 30 starts, then I agree with you...because that's when his drastic batting falloff happened. Casey Schmitt's dropoff happened after 20 games. 

Bailey's defensive stats were interesting. Best framer in baseball, no question. Threw out 28% of runners attempting to steal, 4th best in the NL.  He also led the league in errors with 13 and passed balls with 8 in just 84 starts, though he did catch the 11th most innings in MLB. Hey, he's a rookie. He got tired. I get it. Posey's rookie year, he had 1 passed ball and 6 errors in about 100 fewer innings. Of course, Posey caught during the NLDS, NLCS and WS that year...

Interesting stats from Sacramento...Bailey was the 4th best catcher in terms of throwing out baserunners behind Genoves, Reetz and Bart. Bart and Genoves caught between 400 and 450 innings and Bailey caught 101, but Bart and Genoves had 8 errors each and Bailey had 5.  As for batting, Bart had a .750 OPS, Bailey's was .670 in Sacto. But Sacto stats don't mean much, after all Wade Meckler's OPS was .960.

He was gassed in September.  It was obvious watching him.  He caught something like 40  games more than he had ever caught before. (You left out the games he caught in Richmond and  Sacramento.). Plus, Kapler  refused to  give him a full day off. Even those days he didn’t start he’d often come in late. You could see that he was gassed. I certainly did. I started talking about the need to rest him more in mid August.

I suspect the drop off at the plane in July was in part because pitchers  had learned a little something out about him and he had to adjust. Which he did in August. Then he hit the wall. 

It wasn’t only his bat that suffered. He had a  poor defensive September as well. Both throwing and receiving. I think he was something like 2-14 throwing out runners and had 3 PB’s.

He was one of three finalists for a gold glove in his rookie year. So, I think that speaks quite well of his defensive acumen. Which is significant. Giants are not gonna trade Bailey. They hope he’s a fixture behind the plate for years.

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Brandon Belt has had an interesting career. His sole All Star year was 2016, OPS of .868. His OPS declined every year after that until the recently-fired manager took over, at which point it jumped to 1.015, and he held it at a high level in the 2021 season (.975). He slumped last year to .676. He gets let go to Toronto, and presto! 182 point .OPS climb to .858, and 19 HRs, his second-highest total ever at the age of 35.

Chronic knee issue has been a factor.  In ‘21 he was healthy until he broke a finger getting hit by a pitch. It helped, as it did with Posey and Crawford, that ‘20 was a very short (or skipped) season. 

He was hurt for a good part of ‘22. Don’t know how he was physically  this year – except for the fact that he was almost exclusively a DH. Which probably helped physically. He also had the advantage of hitting in a much better lineup in a much better hitters park.  Plus, he was strictly a platoon player. Which was not  the case of the Giants.

Yes, platooning can be very effective. Or so I've heard.

Bailey could be traded -- anybody can be traded, including McCovey, Perry, Marichal, Cepeda and Mays -- if the right trade was found. I think Bailey will be a Bill Freehan type of catcher. Hopefully he comes back stronger next year.

Yes, Mick.  He can be.  But he won’t be. Zaidi is not stupid enough to trade a top flight switch hitting defensive catcher that his staff loves and that is both cheap and for whom the Giants have 5 years of team control. Particularly when there is no one else in the organization to claim the position. Now, of course, if Atlanta calls and says Acuna’s available, or something equivalent…..

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One reason I wouldn't mind trading Patrick Bailey. His offensive fade after July 1, was terrible, and his September/October fade was literally one of the 20 worst in MLB history: as in worse than Casey Schmitt:

https://stathead.com/tiny/SYBwC

Add in the fact that his best skill is pitch framing, and MLB might go to all-electronic balls and strikes...and I wouldn't mind trading him.

Kapler ground Bailey into the dirt.  He was gassed.  It was obvious.  To anyone but Kapler.  Having said that, I don’t expect Bailey to be more than an average to slightly above average hitting catcher.  He is, however, special defensively.  Not just his pitch framing.  But how he works with the staff.  He also handles the running game well.

I don't think I agree with that, at least not as a starting catcher. He had 84 starts at catcher and came in as a defensive replacement 10 times. He was a hitting terror in May and June, batting about .326 with an OPS over .900. That was only after thirty starts. His batting average was .167 in July and his OPS dropped to .420. Now if you're claiming he was gassed after 30 starts, then I agree with you...because that's when his drastic batting falloff happened. Casey Schmitt's dropoff happened after 20 games. 

Bailey's defensive stats were interesting. Best framer in baseball, no question. Threw out 28% of runners attempting to steal, 4th best in the NL.  He also led the league in errors with 13 and passed balls with 8 in just 84 starts, though he did catch the 11th most innings in MLB. Hey, he's a rookie. He got tired. I get it. Posey's rookie year, he had 1 passed ball and 6 errors in about 100 fewer innings. Of course, Posey caught during the NLDS, NLCS and WS that year...

Interesting stats from Sacramento...Bailey was the 4th best catcher in terms of throwing out baserunners behind Genoves, Reetz and Bart. Bart and Genoves caught between 400 and 450 innings and Bailey caught 101, but Bart and Genoves had 8 errors each and Bailey had 5.  As for batting, Bart had a .750 OPS, Bailey's was .670 in Sacto. But Sacto stats don't mean much, after all Wade Meckler's OPS was .960.

He was gassed in September.  It was obvious watching him.  He caught something like 40  games more than he had ever caught before. (You left out the games he caught in Richmond and  Sacramento.). Plus, Kapler  refused to  give him a full day off. Even those days he didn’t start he’d often come in late. You could see that he was gassed. I certainly did. I started talking about the need to rest him more in mid August.

I suspect the drop off at the plane in July was in part because pitchers  had learned a little something out about him and he had to adjust. Which he did in August. Then he hit the wall. 

It wasn’t only his bat that suffered. He had a  poor defensive September as well. Both throwing and receiving. I think he was something like 2-14 throwing out runners and had 3 PB’s.

He was one of three finalists for a gold glove in his rookie year. So, I think that speaks quite well of his defensive acumen. Which is significant. Giants are not gonna trade Bailey. They hope he’s a fixture behind the plate for years.

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Brandon Belt has had an interesting career. His sole All Star year was 2016, OPS of .868. His OPS declined every year after that until the recently-fired manager took over, at which point it jumped to 1.015, and he held it at a high level in the 2021 season (.975). He slumped last year to .676. He gets let go to Toronto, and presto! 182 point .OPS climb to .858, and 19 HRs, his second-highest total ever at the age of 35.

Chronic knee issue has been a factor.  In ‘21 he was healthy until he broke a finger getting hit by a pitch. It helped, as it did with Posey and Crawford, that ‘20 was a very short (or skipped) season. 

He was hurt for a good part of ‘22. Don’t know how he was physically  this year – except for the fact that he was almost exclusively a DH. Which probably helped physically. He also had the advantage of hitting in a much better lineup in a much better hitters park.  Plus, he was strictly a platoon player. Which was not  the case of the Giants.

Yes, platooning can be very effective. Or so I've heard.

Bailey could be traded -- anybody can be traded, including McCovey, Perry, Marichal, Cepeda and Mays -- if the right trade was found. I think Bailey will be a Bill Freehan type of catcher. Hopefully he comes back stronger next year.

Yes, Mick.  He can be.  But he won’t be. Zaidi is not stupid enough to trade a top flight switch hitting defensive catcher that his staff loves and that is both cheap and for whom the Giants have 5 years of team control. Particularly when there is no one else in the organization to claim the position. Now, of course, if Atlanta calls and says Acuna’s available, or something equivalent…..