[Hurlburt88]

I am with Mick and don't see Russia hoisting any "white flag" vis a vis Ukraine.  To me, the general results of this "war" are already settled, and the various sides just don't know how to officially end it.  
-  Russia wanted a buffer zone versus NATO
-  The US and NATO did not want Russia right up against NATO borders
-  Ukraine wants independence

So NATO bolstered Ukraine enough to get what "we" want, yet we are not willing to do everything needed to roll back Russia's current occupied territory.   So now we have stasis and tragedy until the 3 sides can figure out the right face-saving moves to end this thing for real.

[Hurlburt88]

I am with Mick and don't see Russia hoisting any "white flag" vis a vis Ukraine.  To me, the general results of this "war" are already settled, and the various sides just don't know how to officially end it.  
-  Russia wanted a buffer zone versus NATO
-  The US and NATO did not want Russia right up against NATO borders
-  Ukraine wants independence

So NATO bolstered Ukraine enough to get what "we" want, yet we are not willing to do everything needed to roll back Russia's current occupied territory.   So now we have stasis and tragedy until the 3 sides can figure out the right face-saving moves to end this thing for real.