[norcard10]

Hope you're both proud at the state of Stanford football you both created.  The cupboards weren't this bare even in the early 2000s.

That said, I still have faith in the new staff and the new team.

Give us a break, the buddy teevens years at the bottom were stacked with dreadful 3 and 2 star players.  There are a slew of 4 stars on the current roster still.

Shaw's coaching was a liability in the end - especially with offense.  But it wasn't all on him.  NIL stance by Stanford was and still is slow.

[norcard10]

Hope you're both proud at the state of Stanford football you both created.  The cupboards weren't this bare even in the early 2000s.

That said, I still have faith in the new staff and the new team.

Give us a break, the buddy teevens years at the bottom were stacked with dreadful 3 and 2 star players.  There are a slew of 4 stars on the current roster still.

Shaw's coaching was a liability in the end - especially with offense.  But it wasn't all on him.  NIL stance by Stanford was and still is slow.