[Leftcoast]

Ultimately, the issue is that both China and the Us are currently very dependent on one another, but we don’t trust each other, so in each side’s ideal world, each side would not be dependent on the other, but each side would have the other dependent on it.

And that's a shame. 

There was much hope on both sides that we were building a platform for common understanding through shared commerce over the previous 25 years.  For those of us who worked with Chinese partners to the great benefit of both the Chinese and US, watching our relationship devolve in the last five years has been sobering and very, very disappointing.  Up until recently China's post-communist path was the positive model while Russia's was the bad counter-example.  

I believe behind the saber rattling and public shows of nationalism there are many Chinese who feel the same.  I know some of them in places like Suzhou, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen. 

Things didn't have to go this way.

(I noticed no one took the bait from my post on drawing Taiwan/Ukraine parallels and lessons learned.  A bit of a rabbit trail perhaps but one I'm intensely interested in.)

[Leftcoast]

Ultimately, the issue is that both China and the Us are currently very dependent on one another, but we don’t trust each other, so in each side’s ideal world, each side would not be dependent on the other, but each side would have the other dependent on it.

And that's a shame. 

There was much hope on both sides that we were building a platform for common understanding through shared commerce over the previous 25 years.  For those of us who worked with Chinese partners to the great benefit of both the Chinese and US, watching our relationship devolve in the last five years has been sobering and very, very disappointing.  Up until recently China's post-communist path was the positive model while Russia's was the bad counter-example.  

I believe behind the saber rattling and public shows of nationalism there are many Chinese who feel the same.  I know some of them in places like Suzhou, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen. 

Things didn't have to go this way.

(I noticed no one took the bait from my post on drawing Taiwan/Ukraine parallels and lessons learned.  A bit of a rabbit trail perhaps but one I'm intensely interested in.)