[OutsiderFan]

Ok you made your point. Again and again. Apparently you can’t enjoy baseball when your team is not winning. There is so much more to the game than winning.

I said it's not about winning and losing per se. It's about the effort not being put in to try. I can accept my team losing if I know it is doing everything it can to win, or is executing some discernible plan to win in the future. The Giants have made passive minimalist efforts to win and have no clear plan what they are doing other than trying to fleece fans at their ballpark with the illusion they are trying to win.

The whole organization is dishonest, and I'm beginning to think those who pin it on Charles Johnson may be correct, a position I have rejected up until now.

[OutsiderFan]

Ok you made your point. Again and again. Apparently you can’t enjoy baseball when your team is not winning. There is so much more to the game than winning.

I said it's not about winning and losing per se. It's about the effort not being put in to try. I can accept my team losing if I know it is doing everything it can to win, or is executing some discernible plan to win in the future. The Giants have made passive minimalist efforts to win and have no clear plan what they are doing other than trying to fleece fans at their ballpark with the illusion they are trying to win.

The whole organization is dishonest, and I'm beginning to think those who pin it on Charles Johnson may be correct, a position I have rejected up until now.