[qwerty49]

I kept my tickets through IdiotFace and HeWhoMustNotBeNamed. This is nowhere near as bad as those 5 years. There are better days ahead, one way or another.

"This is nowhere near as bad as those 5 years."  Oh, no? I beg to differ. This isn't about attendance numbers, this is about performance. Or lack thereof. I respectfully submit that "This", defined as the 2019 season, last season and the dismal prospects of the upcoming one, is not only "as bad", it is worse. It is historically bad. Categorically bad. Hang-down-your-head-Tom Dooley-bad. The Mother of All Nadirs. As for said attendance, numbers in the low-teens is a distinct possibility in 2022 as the weather turns and the losses pile up.  Just you wait, Henry Higgins, just you wait.

Stanford football 2002-2006: 16-40 overall (.285), 10-31 Pac-12 (.243)
Stanford football 2019 & 2021: 7-17 (.291), 5-13 in Pac-12 (.278)

So the era of which I speak was a lot like 2019 & 2020, but it last FIVE STINKIN YEARS. So yeah, it was worse than what we are dealing with now.

I can't imagine that three more seasons with 4 or fewer wins would be tolerated, even by a spineless storeminder like Muir.

3 more 4-win seasons would be a no-brainer.  But 1 or 2 would be an interesting over-under proposition.  I think both Muir and Shaw are in the well-paid comfort zone of "neither wanting nor needing to" rock the boat.  Spine is not really a consideration.  And in what universe would Muir be the sole decision-maker anyway?

[qwerty49]

I kept my tickets through IdiotFace and HeWhoMustNotBeNamed. This is nowhere near as bad as those 5 years. There are better days ahead, one way or another.

"This is nowhere near as bad as those 5 years."  Oh, no? I beg to differ. This isn't about attendance numbers, this is about performance. Or lack thereof. I respectfully submit that "This", defined as the 2019 season, last season and the dismal prospects of the upcoming one, is not only "as bad", it is worse. It is historically bad. Categorically bad. Hang-down-your-head-Tom Dooley-bad. The Mother of All Nadirs. As for said attendance, numbers in the low-teens is a distinct possibility in 2022 as the weather turns and the losses pile up.  Just you wait, Henry Higgins, just you wait.

Stanford football 2002-2006: 16-40 overall (.285), 10-31 Pac-12 (.243)
Stanford football 2019 & 2021: 7-17 (.291), 5-13 in Pac-12 (.278)

So the era of which I speak was a lot like 2019 & 2020, but it last FIVE STINKIN YEARS. So yeah, it was worse than what we are dealing with now.

I can't imagine that three more seasons with 4 or fewer wins would be tolerated, even by a spineless storeminder like Muir.

3 more 4-win seasons would be a no-brainer.  But 1 or 2 would be an interesting over-under proposition.  I think both Muir and Shaw are in the well-paid comfort zone of "neither wanting nor needing to" rock the boat.  Spine is not really a consideration.  And in what universe would Muir be the sole decision-maker anyway?