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Responding to Goose. 



There was no thought of moving Posey during “the run”.  Bochy used him at first some to get his bat in the lineup.  You may be right that around ‘16 or so they would have liked to see him move.  But at that point, I’m thinking he wasn’t valuable as a full time first baseman.  Which is, to me, a pure power position.  That’s why I thought third would be better. He played SS before he was moved to catcher at FSU.  So I think he would have been fine.

Makes sense. I agree that it was earlier in his career that they were urging him to consider moving. I think Boch supported the idea that a player has the right to say no to such a thing, because after all it is their career. It was a lot easier to do since Posey was/is such a good catcher. At this point it is probably way too late to matter.

I agree with Giants in that I don’t think he’s money driven at this point . (Although I think he’s represented by Scott Boras. He was coming out of college.  They held firm at his number. Giants signed him about an hour before the deadline). If he thinks the Giants can contend, I suspect that will be a factor.  Especially if they commit to spending on others.



I suspect he’s more concerned about his legacy.  Finishing with the Giants cements that.  I’m sure they are already designing the statue and that will happen no matter what.  But playing an entire career for one organization is special these days. 



I do agree that he will be in a great bargaining position (assuming he stays healthy. And there is never a guarantee of that for a catcher). If he sits on the option, it will be tough for the Giants to exercise the buy out.  I would hate to see that. (Now if he’s ready to retire, that changes everything.  But I’m guessing  he wants to play a couple more.  I think his body will be the determining factor on that score)

Agree with most of the above. What I don't totally agree with is the idea that going from an average of 18 million a year over the past 9 years down to a considerably lower number will sit well with Posey. I am pretty sure he would sign up to play two more years for what he makes this year. He may take less, but as it becomes much less it will seem like an insult. Then the legacy takes on a different spin. The Giants need to walk a fine line and not do anything that may sour things with Posey. Hopefully they can make it a win-win deal, but I fear that won't be as easy as it seems. His agent could also polarize the situation more that Posey or the Giants would do on their own. I do think if he doesn't sign with the Giants he will retire. He won't go shopping, although he may threaten to do so if things go pear-shaped.

Analytics have completely changed contract negotiations for veterans. No longer are they paid on what they did in the past. It is based upon projections for the future. A new CBA I suspect will make some adjustments to deal with that. Most notably the number of years a team has control over players. I suspect that to bevreduced.  That’s something I would really fight for if I was in the Union.

Posey and Crawford have a special place in the hearts of Giant’s fans. But I’m not sure this regime cares too much about that. Now if it affects them at the gate – that of course would be a factor

[lex24]

Responding to Goose. 



There was no thought of moving Posey during “the run”.  Bochy used him at first some to get his bat in the lineup.  You may be right that around ‘16 or so they would have liked to see him move.  But at that point, I’m thinking he wasn’t valuable as a full time first baseman.  Which is, to me, a pure power position.  That’s why I thought third would be better. He played SS before he was moved to catcher at FSU.  So I think he would have been fine.

Makes sense. I agree that it was earlier in his career that they were urging him to consider moving. I think Boch supported the idea that a player has the right to say no to such a thing, because after all it is their career. It was a lot easier to do since Posey was/is such a good catcher. At this point it is probably way too late to matter.

I agree with Giants in that I don’t think he’s money driven at this point . (Although I think he’s represented by Scott Boras. He was coming out of college.  They held firm at his number. Giants signed him about an hour before the deadline). If he thinks the Giants can contend, I suspect that will be a factor.  Especially if they commit to spending on others.



I suspect he’s more concerned about his legacy.  Finishing with the Giants cements that.  I’m sure they are already designing the statue and that will happen no matter what.  But playing an entire career for one organization is special these days. 



I do agree that he will be in a great bargaining position (assuming he stays healthy. And there is never a guarantee of that for a catcher). If he sits on the option, it will be tough for the Giants to exercise the buy out.  I would hate to see that. (Now if he’s ready to retire, that changes everything.  But I’m guessing  he wants to play a couple more.  I think his body will be the determining factor on that score)

Agree with most of the above. What I don't totally agree with is the idea that going from an average of 18 million a year over the past 9 years down to a considerably lower number will sit well with Posey. I am pretty sure he would sign up to play two more years for what he makes this year. He may take less, but as it becomes much less it will seem like an insult. Then the legacy takes on a different spin. The Giants need to walk a fine line and not do anything that may sour things with Posey. Hopefully they can make it a win-win deal, but I fear that won't be as easy as it seems. His agent could also polarize the situation more that Posey or the Giants would do on their own. I do think if he doesn't sign with the Giants he will retire. He won't go shopping, although he may threaten to do so if things go pear-shaped.

Analytics have completely changed contract negotiations for veterans. No longer are they paid on what they did in the past. It is based upon projections for the future. A new CBA I suspect will make some adjustments to deal with that. Most notably the number of years a team has control over players. I suspect that to bevreduced.  That’s something I would really fight for if I was in the Union.

Posey and Crawford have a special place in the hearts of Giant’s fans. But I’m not sure this regime cares too much about that. Now if it affects them at the gate – that of course would be a factor