(12-09-2020, 09:06 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Unlike most people, I watched the Zoom press conference and saw the Berkeley health director make the comment that has lex so bent out of shape.
It offends me when people claim these protectors of our health are bureaucrats with agendas to shut our lives down, and this is "murica and we do what we want, damnit!
If you watch and listen to these people talk, you can see how difficult it is for them to be making the calls they are making. I actually thought the woman from Berkeley lex has concluded is Mary Antoinette, struck the greatest balance between shutting things down and allowing some gatherings to continue when she specifically said Cal's athletics program is exempt from the shutdown orders because they have presented and are executing strict protocols to keep athletes safe and from spreading virus in community. She's not being draconian, but how many other Berkeley operations have the resources and ability to implement safety precautions like UCB's Athletics department? There is an inherent unfairness here, but life isn't fair.
Her comment about your bubble being popped was an effort to demonstrate just how serious a situation it is and what everyone must do to protect not only themselves and their families, but also other people, health care workers, and the system itself. The day Dr. Cody issued the no sports directive, SCC had 47 hospital admissions. On Sunday night, the even tighter restrictions were made, closing outdoor dining and limiting retail occupancy. Yesterday there were 75 new hospitalizations in SCC. The 7-day rolling avg. new reported infections is over 500.
The only tool we have that absolutely stops spread is distancing, not getting together with anyone period. Spread absolutely must stop, or at least dramatically slow or we will not be able to handle the damage. These public health guardians are at their wit's end. And someone is going to get all worked up that one would dare say your bubble has popped in a desperate plea to convince people to isolate form others. Amazing. A neighbor's friend's husband died of Covid last week. Yesterday I learned a former neighbor's daughter's husband -and former S.F Giants drafted Pitcher - is very sick with Covid. Michigan's football team reports 45 players have Covid this week.
Can someone post a link to what this Morrow person said?
I watched it also OF. And I didn’t bend it out of shape. I admit to some confirmation bias on my part. I want these coming from elected officials. And I believed then and now that Newsom’s order and it’s trigger should apply state wide. BTW, will you admit to confirmation bias on your part?
This “Morrow person” holds the same position in San Mateo County as Cody and the others do- he’s their health director. Go to San Mateo County’s Health Dept or Google him and you will get his statement. As I said OF, you and I didn’t view that conference the same. I admit to some confirmation bias on my part. I want these coming from elected officials. Will you admit to confirmation bias on your part.
As for me, I am “offended” when I’m essentially told that I’m to agree hook, line and sinker with what they say. Trust me I’m every bit as compassionate on this as you are. And I resent the implication in your response that because I find the comment to be showing a lack of compassion for another aspect of this – mental health – that you find that to be “amazing”.
Also quite honestly I’m sick and tired of everything that’s being said getting justified as a way of showing us how “serious this is”. We know that. And the relatively few people in the bay area that don’t are never going to change their position no matter what is done.
(12-09-2020, 04:30 AM)2006alum Wrote: I agree that Morrow's post was refreshing both in its nuance and his candor that there's still a lot we don't know. But I'm not sure I even understand the comment you quoted and what that means. What is a social bubble? Can you provide a link?
And more generally, I do worry about emergency medical personnel - we all go about our daily lives with the presumed fallback of excellent and immediate medical care, so I do think we should be making policy choices in a pandemic with the idea that maxing out their capacity so that we can play youth sports (or fill-in-the-blank non-necessary activity) is not only unfair, but short sided. That was the one part or Morrow's calculus I thought was a little under-thought through.
“Social Bubble” came out of some earlier orders from I believe bothContra Costa. and Alameda county. What essentially said is you could gather with a group of I believe it was up to 10 maybe 12 people but they essentially had to be the same people that was to be considered your “social bubble. That came out when they loosened up the original sip restrictions. So when she said your social bubbles being popped basically what she was indicating is you can’t see your friends anymore. A very callous statement in my opinion.
(12-09-2020, 09:49 AM)lex24 Wrote:(12-09-2020, 09:06 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Unlike most people, I watched the Zoom press conference and saw the Berkeley health director make the comment that has lex so bent out of shape.
It offends me when people claim these protectors of our health are bureaucrats with agendas to shut our lives down, and this is "murica and we do what we want, damnit!
If you watch and listen to these people talk, you can see how difficult it is for them to be making the calls they are making. I actually thought the woman from Berkeley lex has concluded is Mary Antoinette, struck the greatest balance between shutting things down and allowing some gatherings to continue when she specifically said Cal's athletics program is exempt from the shutdown orders because they have presented and are executing strict protocols to keep athletes safe and from spreading virus in community. She's not being draconian, but how many other Berkeley operations have the resources and ability to implement safety precautions like UCB's Athletics department? There is an inherent unfairness here, but life isn't fair.
Her comment about your bubble being popped was an effort to demonstrate just how serious a situation it is and what everyone must do to protect not only themselves and their families, but also other people, health care workers, and the system itself. The day Dr. Cody issued the no sports directive, SCC had 47 hospital admissions. On Sunday night, the even tighter restrictions were made, closing outdoor dining and limiting retail occupancy. Yesterday there were 75 new hospitalizations in SCC. The 7-day rolling avg. new reported infections is over 500.
The only tool we have that absolutely stops spread is distancing, not getting together with anyone period. Spread absolutely must stop, or at least dramatically slow or we will not be able to handle the damage. These public health guardians are at their wit's end. And someone is going to get all worked up that one would dare say your bubble has popped in a desperate plea to convince people to isolate form others. Amazing. A neighbor's friend's husband died of Covid last week. Yesterday I learned a former neighbor's daughter's husband -and former S.F Giants drafted Pitcher - is very sick with Covid. Michigan's football team reports 45 players have Covid this week.
Can someone post a link to what this Morrow person said?
I watched it also OF. And I didn’t bend it out of shape. I admit to some confirmation bias on my part. I want these coming from elected officials. And I believed then and now that Newsom’s order and it’s trigger should apply state wide. BTW, will you admit to confirmation bias on your part?
This “Morrow person” holds the same position in San Mateo County as Cody and the others do- he’s their health director. Go to San Mateo County’s Health Dept or Google him and you will get his statement. As I said OF, you and I didn’t view that conference the same. I admit to some confirmation bias on my part. I want these coming from elected officials. Will you admit to confirmation bias on your part.
As for me, I am “offended” when I’m essentially told that I’m to agree hook, line and sinker with what they say. Trust me I’m every bit as compassionate on this as you are. And I resent the implication in your response that because I find the comment to be showing a lack of compassion for another aspect of this – mental health – that you find that to be “amazing”.
Also quite honestly I’m sick and tired of everything that’s being said getting justified as a way of showing us how “serious this is”. We know that. And the relatively few people in the bay area that don’t are never going to change their position no matter what is done.
(12-09-2020, 04:30 AM)2006alum Wrote: I agree that Morrow's post was refreshing both in its nuance and his candor that there's still a lot we don't know. But I'm not sure I even understand the comment you quoted and what that means. What is a social bubble? Can you provide a link?
And more generally, I do worry about emergency medical personnel - we all go about our daily lives with the presumed fallback of excellent and immediate medical care, so I do think we should be making policy choices in a pandemic with the idea that maxing out their capacity so that we can play youth sports (or fill-in-the-blank non-necessary activity) is not only unfair, but short sided. That was the one part or Morrow's calculus I thought was a little under-thought through.
“Social Bubble” came out of some earlier orders from I believe both Contra Costa. and Alameda county. What they essentially said is you could gather with a group of up 12 people (outside generally) but they had to be the same people. That was to be considered your “social bubble. That came out when they loosened up the original sip restrictions. So when she said your social bubble is being popped basically what she was indicating is you can’t see your friends anymore. A very callous statement in my opinion.