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[quote="teejers1" pid='290385' dateline='1599778349']


So under those circumstances, I do not think it is wise to put college students into such an untenable position, of contributing to the deaths of people around them--or being subjected to draconian measures to control their behavior.  Best not to have them on campus, for now.

The flip side of the college students not being on campus is that they are somewhere else without controls on their behavior. Thus, do you prefer that they are in their hometowns contributing to the deaths of people around them in their hometowns? You can not eliminate risk in life. You can only attempt to manage it and the tradeoffs.

I don't agree with this assessment at all.  I behaved much better living at home than I did out "on my own" in college.  Even with new college rules about gatherings, etc, I would definitely follow the community rules regarding Covid at home more than I would in a dorm or college apartment.  Perhaps some athletes with lots of big brother oversight to control bad behavior, mostly football, would behave better at college, but even most athletes don't have that kind of oversight during the school year.  It just seems like a bad idea to get that many people gathering when we aren't able to know the extent that they are adding to community spread.  If you could keep the students on campus and in their bubble/zone, it would help but I don't think Stanford is confining people to the zones, just excluding others.  Yes, there is risk in life, but that doesn't mean we can't evaluate the relative levels of risk and act in a way that minimizes the risk for those most vulnerable in the community.  

Cheers,
Pete F.

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[quote="teejers1" pid='290385' dateline='1599778349']


So under those circumstances, I do not think it is wise to put college students into such an untenable position, of contributing to the deaths of people around them--or being subjected to draconian measures to control their behavior.  Best not to have them on campus, for now.

The flip side of the college students not being on campus is that they are somewhere else without controls on their behavior. Thus, do you prefer that they are in their hometowns contributing to the deaths of people around them in their hometowns? You can not eliminate risk in life. You can only attempt to manage it and the tradeoffs.

I don't agree with this assessment at all.  I behaved much better living at home than I did out "on my own" in college.  Even with new college rules about gatherings, etc, I would definitely follow the community rules regarding Covid at home more than I would in a dorm or college apartment.  Perhaps some athletes with lots of big brother oversight to control bad behavior, mostly football, would behave better at college, but even most athletes don't have that kind of oversight during the school year.  It just seems like a bad idea to get that many people gathering when we aren't able to know the extent that they are adding to community spread.  If you could keep the students on campus and in their bubble/zone, it would help but I don't think Stanford is confining people to the zones, just excluding others.  Yes, there is risk in life, but that doesn't mean we can't evaluate the relative levels of risk and act in a way that minimizes the risk for those most vulnerable in the community.  

Cheers,
Pete F.