[qwerty49]

I share your concerns.  But I'd also like to know a bit more about how players were "graded out" in terms of process and data.

I think Reid's versatility might have worked against his stats.  He seems totally at home as a SS, and also as a ballhawking FS, but less so as NB.

The stats indicate Meeks regressed, but I get the impression opponents did not throw much against Meeks after his first year.  Of course I'm too inept to find any stats on how many times he was targeted, and the QBR is a very telling piece of data.

Schultz's blocking doesn't show up on any stats, does it?

As a fan I sure wish they had stayed, but I think even 6th or 7th round money is much greater than anything a new grad can make in other careers.  These kids put their bodies on the line and the sooner they can get paid for it, the better. 

[quote author=Spiny_Norman link=topic=18429.msg220918#msg220918 date=1515611992]
RJ Abeytia talks about Phillips, Schultz, Reid and Meeks in a free post.

https://247sports.com/college/stanford/G...-113316788

RJ cites their respective evaluations from Pro Football Focus based on on-field performance.  Among the four, only Phillips rated at an elite level nationally.

Phillips - Nationally, PFF graded him as the fifth-best interior 3-4 lineman in the country.

Schultz - In 2016, Schultz graded out as the best tight end [in the Pac 12] across the board per PFF . . . He graded out as the ninth-best tight end in the Pac-12 among players who played at least 50% of his snaps in 2017.

Reid - Pro Football Focus graded Reid as the nation’s 42nd-best draft eligible safety among players who played at least 60% of his team’s defensive snaps and the third-best in the Pac-12 behind U$C’s Chris Hawkins and Washington’s Taylor Rapp.

Meeks - Meeks graded out as the fourth-best corner in the Pac-12 in 2017. Nationally, he graded out at 49th.  Each year, the QB Rating against Meeks improved, with this year ending at 86. 143 corners had a lower number.

Wow.  I had no idea that those three were that weak.  BOY would they be better off had they stayed for another year.
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[qwerty49]

I share your concerns.  But I'd also like to know a bit more about how players were "graded out" in terms of process and data.

I think Reid's versatility might have worked against his stats.  He seems totally at home as a SS, and also as a ballhawking FS, but less so as NB.

The stats indicate Meeks regressed, but I get the impression opponents did not throw much against Meeks after his first year.  Of course I'm too inept to find any stats on how many times he was targeted, and the QBR is a very telling piece of data.

Schultz's blocking doesn't show up on any stats, does it?

As a fan I sure wish they had stayed, but I think even 6th or 7th round money is much greater than anything a new grad can make in other careers.  These kids put their bodies on the line and the sooner they can get paid for it, the better. 

[quote author=Spiny_Norman link=topic=18429.msg220918#msg220918 date=1515611992]
RJ Abeytia talks about Phillips, Schultz, Reid and Meeks in a free post.

https://247sports.com/college/stanford/G...-113316788

RJ cites their respective evaluations from Pro Football Focus based on on-field performance.  Among the four, only Phillips rated at an elite level nationally.

Phillips - Nationally, PFF graded him as the fifth-best interior 3-4 lineman in the country.

Schultz - In 2016, Schultz graded out as the best tight end [in the Pac 12] across the board per PFF . . . He graded out as the ninth-best tight end in the Pac-12 among players who played at least 50% of his snaps in 2017.

Reid - Pro Football Focus graded Reid as the nation’s 42nd-best draft eligible safety among players who played at least 60% of his team’s defensive snaps and the third-best in the Pac-12 behind U$C’s Chris Hawkins and Washington’s Taylor Rapp.

Meeks - Meeks graded out as the fourth-best corner in the Pac-12 in 2017. Nationally, he graded out at 49th.  Each year, the QB Rating against Meeks improved, with this year ending at 86. 143 corners had a lower number.

Wow.  I had no idea that those three were that weak.  BOY would they be better off had they stayed for another year.
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