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In other words, if the argument is "look how well Shaw has done without great QBs," then, well, shouldn't he be getting better QBs?  And wasn't the thought when Nunes/Nottingham/Burns/Chryst all committed that they could be great?  4-star guys, the lot of them. 

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To your other point, that Shaw's great recruiting at the QB position should produce great results, I think that's again a fair idea but I'd quibble whether it's actually fairly applied here. Recruiting more touted prospects is helpful in shifting your odds, but it's still a gamble. The most recent survey I've seen indicates 21% of four-star pro-style QBs are drafting, meaning it's "only" a coin flip to produce one pro QB from two highly touted recruits. Consequently, I'd be very troubled if 2018 features poor QB play. (Barring major injury or other weird exogenous factor.)
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Perhaps the criteria should be player development, i.e., do players show significantly improved skill, maturity, and command of game-plan in their jr/sr season compared to their performance in true fr/redshirt fr season. I don't know what a good number would be for a successful coach, but a 75% success rate (i.e., 75% of the players meet or exceed expected development) would be very good in my book.

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[quote author=ColoradoTree link=topic=18014.msg212705#msg212705 date=1510678155]
In other words, if the argument is "look how well Shaw has done without great QBs," then, well, shouldn't he be getting better QBs?  And wasn't the thought when Nunes/Nottingham/Burns/Chryst all committed that they could be great?  4-star guys, the lot of them. 

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To your other point, that Shaw's great recruiting at the QB position should produce great results, I think that's again a fair idea but I'd quibble whether it's actually fairly applied here. Recruiting more touted prospects is helpful in shifting your odds, but it's still a gamble. The most recent survey I've seen indicates 21% of four-star pro-style QBs are drafting, meaning it's "only" a coin flip to produce one pro QB from two highly touted recruits. Consequently, I'd be very troubled if 2018 features poor QB play. (Barring major injury or other weird exogenous factor.)
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Perhaps the criteria should be player development, i.e., do players show significantly improved skill, maturity, and command of game-plan in their jr/sr season compared to their performance in true fr/redshirt fr season. I don't know what a good number would be for a successful coach, but a 75% success rate (i.e., 75% of the players meet or exceed expected development) would be very good in my book.