[unclechuck]

Reggie Bush and O.J. Mayo were on the payroll. Southern California got what it deserved. The fact that Miami is guilty of violations doesn't affect what Southern California did. The real question is whether the NCAA will be willing to give Miami the death penalty, or will they stop just short of that.

Sorry Terry but I disagree, staunchly. Saying Bush was "on the payroll" is glib and misleading. Yeah, he got money from guys who wanted to be his agents. They went to great lengths to keep SC in the dark about that. Implying that he was on SC's payroll is disingenuous, and stating it directly is inconsistent with what's known.

After the exhaustive NCAA investigation all that was revealed to this point concerns just Mayo and Bush. I didn't follow the specifics of Mayo since the hoops sanctions weren't program killers. However, it seems pretty clear that SC got kangaroo courted on the football issues, and in financial terms, that is the only real game. Ted Miller has followed this whole issue pretty closely and all this has been covered in his posts as well as other sources.

My point is that a scorched earth attitude towards SC, the Bares, Oregon, Washington, etc. is bringing a pacman perspective to a Black Ops sports world. Going forward, the continued robustness, and possibly viability, of ALL non revenue sports at EVERY Pac12 (16..etc) conference school will be dependent on football derived monies. Sanctions that effect negative consequences for any conference member will hurt others members with minimal effect on other conferences. Fullmetal has made a good specific point on this Re Miami.

Has SC been full of themselves for the decades since I was on the Farm (OJ days); sure! But they got screwed. Were they completely innocent? Hell no, but they didn't deserve what they got. As we all were told in Intro to Psych classes: sanctions, like any negative reinforcement, need to be timely, appropriate to the specific behavior, and consistent. The NCAA looks to be failing miserably on this.

The NCAA has some serious frass on the table and getting it right is going to be brutal. Meanwhile we can sit back and enjoy the most promising football season in, oh 60 years with the Grand Guignol that will be the Miami story as a side dish.

[unclechuck]

Reggie Bush and O.J. Mayo were on the payroll. Southern California got what it deserved. The fact that Miami is guilty of violations doesn't affect what Southern California did. The real question is whether the NCAA will be willing to give Miami the death penalty, or will they stop just short of that.

Sorry Terry but I disagree, staunchly. Saying Bush was "on the payroll" is glib and misleading. Yeah, he got money from guys who wanted to be his agents. They went to great lengths to keep SC in the dark about that. Implying that he was on SC's payroll is disingenuous, and stating it directly is inconsistent with what's known.

After the exhaustive NCAA investigation all that was revealed to this point concerns just Mayo and Bush. I didn't follow the specifics of Mayo since the hoops sanctions weren't program killers. However, it seems pretty clear that SC got kangaroo courted on the football issues, and in financial terms, that is the only real game. Ted Miller has followed this whole issue pretty closely and all this has been covered in his posts as well as other sources.

My point is that a scorched earth attitude towards SC, the Bares, Oregon, Washington, etc. is bringing a pacman perspective to a Black Ops sports world. Going forward, the continued robustness, and possibly viability, of ALL non revenue sports at EVERY Pac12 (16..etc) conference school will be dependent on football derived monies. Sanctions that effect negative consequences for any conference member will hurt others members with minimal effect on other conferences. Fullmetal has made a good specific point on this Re Miami.

Has SC been full of themselves for the decades since I was on the Farm (OJ days); sure! But they got screwed. Were they completely innocent? Hell no, but they didn't deserve what they got. As we all were told in Intro to Psych classes: sanctions, like any negative reinforcement, need to be timely, appropriate to the specific behavior, and consistent. The NCAA looks to be failing miserably on this.

The NCAA has some serious frass on the table and getting it right is going to be brutal. Meanwhile we can sit back and enjoy the most promising football season in, oh 60 years with the Grand Guignol that will be the Miami story as a side dish.