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[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=12672.msg127298#msg127298 date=1441691460]Over the last 30 years, there have been 10 seasons as good or better than our 8-5 record of last year, and Shaw has three of them (Harbaugh has two, Willingham two, Walsh, Green, and Elway each have one).  An 8-5 season looks like it is the "end of success" because we have recallibrated success to mean 10-win seasons, something that prior to Harbaugh (who did it once) and Shaw (who got there three times) had been accomplished exactly three times in the history of Stanford football [to be fair, they played fewer games back then, but the number of seasons with three or fewer losses could be counted on one hand since Ralston].  By almost any historical measure, an 8-5 season would be considered very good.

BC

Let me ask you this: would you, as a Stanford fan, be ok with returning to a state where 8-5 and a mediocre bowl is considered a success?  Or now that it's been proven that football success can not only be achieved at Stanford, but sustained - is it time to raise the standard?
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I'm quite skeptical that "sustained" is a proven capability at this point.

[CornFed]

[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=12672.msg127298#msg127298 date=1441691460]Over the last 30 years, there have been 10 seasons as good or better than our 8-5 record of last year, and Shaw has three of them (Harbaugh has two, Willingham two, Walsh, Green, and Elway each have one).  An 8-5 season looks like it is the "end of success" because we have recallibrated success to mean 10-win seasons, something that prior to Harbaugh (who did it once) and Shaw (who got there three times) had been accomplished exactly three times in the history of Stanford football [to be fair, they played fewer games back then, but the number of seasons with three or fewer losses could be counted on one hand since Ralston].  By almost any historical measure, an 8-5 season would be considered very good.

BC

Let me ask you this: would you, as a Stanford fan, be ok with returning to a state where 8-5 and a mediocre bowl is considered a success?  Or now that it's been proven that football success can not only be achieved at Stanford, but sustained - is it time to raise the standard?
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I'm quite skeptical that "sustained" is a proven capability at this point.