09-01-2014, 07:36 AM
In light of Hogan's reported efforts to improve his footwork and release, did anyone notice anything to indicate Hogan has in fact changed and hopefully improved his mechanics and accuracy, in the UCD game?
Hogan observations re: improved mechanics?
In light of Hogan's reported efforts to improve his footwork and release, did anyone notice anything to indicate Hogan has in fact changed and hopefully improved his mechanics and accuracy, in the UCD game?
09-01-2014, 08:24 AM
I thought his throw to Rector looked like he was heaving a grenade! But the shorter throws appeared to be quicker, if not particularly more accurate.
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09-01-2014, 08:44 AM
He threw behind receivers throughout the game. Not sure if this had anything to do with tinkering with his mechanics but that could cost us next week much more than it did yesterday.
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
He threw behind receivers throughout the game. Not sure if this had anything to do with tinkering with his mechanics but that could cost us next week much more than it did yesterday.
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
09-01-2014, 09:02 AM
Maybe ....but if so I missed it.Â
I thought he improved in that area. I was watching live and not focused solely on Hogan but I saw him crisply move through targets and/or look at his clear primary receiver only a split second before the throw. The only plays where I saw him lock on were the slow developing fly patterns where everyone knew what was coming and he was waiting for some seperation.
I thought he improved in that area. I was watching live and not focused solely on Hogan but I saw him crisply move through targets and/or look at his clear primary receiver only a split second before the throw. The only plays where I saw him lock on were the slow developing fly patterns where everyone knew what was coming and he was waiting for some seperation.
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
Maybe ....but if so I missed it.Â
I thought he improved in that area. I was watching live and not focused solely on Hogan but I saw him crisply move through targets and/or look at his clear primary receiver only a split second before the throw. The only plays where I saw him lock on were the slow developing fly patterns where everyone knew what was coming and he was waiting for some seperation.
I thought he improved in that area. I was watching live and not focused solely on Hogan but I saw him crisply move through targets and/or look at his clear primary receiver only a split second before the throw. The only plays where I saw him lock on were the slow developing fly patterns where everyone knew what was coming and he was waiting for some seperation.
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
After reading all the message board comments, it's obvious that Hogan was terrible on Saturday.
Then I go to the NCAA statistics and I see that Hogan is ranked 5th in the nation in pass efficiency rating, with a rating of 231.5. . . .
Then I go to the NCAA statistics and I see that Hogan is ranked 5th in the nation in pass efficiency rating, with a rating of 231.5. . . .
After reading all the message board comments, it's obvious that Hogan was terrible on Saturday.
Then I go to the NCAA statistics and I see that Hogan is ranked 5th in the nation in pass efficiency rating, with a rating of 231.5. . . .
Then I go to the NCAA statistics and I see that Hogan is ranked 5th in the nation in pass efficiency rating, with a rating of 231.5. . . .
09-01-2014, 10:08 AM
(09-01-2014, 09:14 AM)terry link Wrote:After reading all the message board comments, it's obvious that Hogan was terrible on Saturday.
Then I go to the NCAA statistics and I see that Hogan is ranked 5th in the nation in pass efficiency rating, with a rating of 231.5. . . .
I think the bottom line is that Hogan's passing doesn't always look like a work of art, but it gets the job done.
(09-01-2014, 09:14 AM)terry link Wrote:After reading all the message board comments, it's obvious that Hogan was terrible on Saturday.
Then I go to the NCAA statistics and I see that Hogan is ranked 5th in the nation in pass efficiency rating, with a rating of 231.5. . . .
I think the bottom line is that Hogan's passing doesn't always look like a work of art, but it gets the job done.
09-01-2014, 10:25 AM
Hogan's delivery is less loopy IMHO. That seemed clear during warm-ups. Of course, transitioning to a different delivery style can creates challenges, but the motion is more direct.
Quick game day observation - I watched the QBs come out for warm-ups. And Hogan looked smaller than the others. I thought to myself, "Wow we have some big QBs." Then I wondered if Chryst would be able to battle it out with these monsters. And then I realized that #10, the biggest and most physically built QB of the bunch, was Chryst.
Quick game day observation - I watched the QBs come out for warm-ups. And Hogan looked smaller than the others. I thought to myself, "Wow we have some big QBs." Then I wondered if Chryst would be able to battle it out with these monsters. And then I realized that #10, the biggest and most physically built QB of the bunch, was Chryst.
Hogan's delivery is less loopy IMHO. That seemed clear during warm-ups. Of course, transitioning to a different delivery style can creates challenges, but the motion is more direct.
Quick game day observation - I watched the QBs come out for warm-ups. And Hogan looked smaller than the others. I thought to myself, "Wow we have some big QBs." Then I wondered if Chryst would be able to battle it out with these monsters. And then I realized that #10, the biggest and most physically built QB of the bunch, was Chryst.
Quick game day observation - I watched the QBs come out for warm-ups. And Hogan looked smaller than the others. I thought to myself, "Wow we have some big QBs." Then I wondered if Chryst would be able to battle it out with these monsters. And then I realized that #10, the biggest and most physically built QB of the bunch, was Chryst.
09-01-2014, 10:49 AM
Mechanics are less of a concern to me. I remember trying to emulate Sonny Jorgenson and he had a wind up that was probably the worst mechanics.
But in the stadium, I and the people around me thought Hogan was not sharp. His passes didn't seem to have as much zip and he didn't have as much of the instinctive movement that allowed him to avoid being caught in big games. The Rector TD and a few other passes had a very high arc that seemed to get caught a bit in the wind and was a bit behind Rector. A good DB might have intercepted that pass. The short-intermediate passes were a bit hit and miss on the accuracy. Again those could end up being tips and interceptions with a much better secondary/LB crew.
I was surprised that on TV it didn't seem as bad as in person and the announcers thought he did well.
But in the stadium, I and the people around me thought Hogan was not sharp. His passes didn't seem to have as much zip and he didn't have as much of the instinctive movement that allowed him to avoid being caught in big games. The Rector TD and a few other passes had a very high arc that seemed to get caught a bit in the wind and was a bit behind Rector. A good DB might have intercepted that pass. The short-intermediate passes were a bit hit and miss on the accuracy. Again those could end up being tips and interceptions with a much better secondary/LB crew.
I was surprised that on TV it didn't seem as bad as in person and the announcers thought he did well.
Mechanics are less of a concern to me. I remember trying to emulate Sonny Jorgenson and he had a wind up that was probably the worst mechanics.
But in the stadium, I and the people around me thought Hogan was not sharp. His passes didn't seem to have as much zip and he didn't have as much of the instinctive movement that allowed him to avoid being caught in big games. The Rector TD and a few other passes had a very high arc that seemed to get caught a bit in the wind and was a bit behind Rector. A good DB might have intercepted that pass. The short-intermediate passes were a bit hit and miss on the accuracy. Again those could end up being tips and interceptions with a much better secondary/LB crew.
I was surprised that on TV it didn't seem as bad as in person and the announcers thought he did well.
But in the stadium, I and the people around me thought Hogan was not sharp. His passes didn't seem to have as much zip and he didn't have as much of the instinctive movement that allowed him to avoid being caught in big games. The Rector TD and a few other passes had a very high arc that seemed to get caught a bit in the wind and was a bit behind Rector. A good DB might have intercepted that pass. The short-intermediate passes were a bit hit and miss on the accuracy. Again those could end up being tips and interceptions with a much better secondary/LB crew.
I was surprised that on TV it didn't seem as bad as in person and the announcers thought he did well.
09-01-2014, 11:29 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-01-2014, 12:44 PM by PrinceLightfoot.)
There will be a 60 min replay of the game at 4:30 PM PST on PAC12 networks. Hopefully, the game is added to the list of instant replays online because I love watching line play and it is difficult to watch more than two at a time.
In regards to Hogan, mechanics aren't nearly as important as results. Nunes had great mechanics. There was one pass in particular that was lifted over the linebacker but fell below the safety right into the receiver's hands. It was beautifully placed!
Hogan finished with a 75% completion rate for the game (12-15 by halftime and 0-1 in first drive of third qtr).
7 passes ended in gains of 1-15 yards
2 passes ended in gains of 15-24 yards
3 passes ended in gains of 25+ yards
In regards to Hogan, mechanics aren't nearly as important as results. Nunes had great mechanics. There was one pass in particular that was lifted over the linebacker but fell below the safety right into the receiver's hands. It was beautifully placed!
Hogan finished with a 75% completion rate for the game (12-15 by halftime and 0-1 in first drive of third qtr).
7 passes ended in gains of 1-15 yards
2 passes ended in gains of 15-24 yards
3 passes ended in gains of 25+ yards
If I had a dollar every time I was distracted, I wish I had some ice cream.
(This post was last modified: 09-01-2014, 12:44 PM by PrinceLightfoot.)
There will be a 60 min replay of the game at 4:30 PM PST on PAC12 networks. Hopefully, the game is added to the list of instant replays online because I love watching line play and it is difficult to watch more than two at a time.
In regards to Hogan, mechanics aren't nearly as important as results. Nunes had great mechanics. There was one pass in particular that was lifted over the linebacker but fell below the safety right into the receiver's hands. It was beautifully placed!
Hogan finished with a 75% completion rate for the game (12-15 by halftime and 0-1 in first drive of third qtr).
7 passes ended in gains of 1-15 yards
2 passes ended in gains of 15-24 yards
3 passes ended in gains of 25+ yards
In regards to Hogan, mechanics aren't nearly as important as results. Nunes had great mechanics. There was one pass in particular that was lifted over the linebacker but fell below the safety right into the receiver's hands. It was beautifully placed!
Hogan finished with a 75% completion rate for the game (12-15 by halftime and 0-1 in first drive of third qtr).
7 passes ended in gains of 1-15 yards
2 passes ended in gains of 15-24 yards
3 passes ended in gains of 25+ yards
If I had a dollar every time I was distracted, I wish I had some ice cream.
09-01-2014, 12:41 PM
Last year his passes didn't have much arc. They were heaved and shotputted, not giving the receiver much opportunity to adjust to the flight of the ball.Â
If there is a replay of the game online, I'd like to know where it is and see it.
If there is a replay of the game online, I'd like to know where it is and see it.
09-01-2014, 01:44 PM
(09-01-2014, 12:41 PM)DC link Wrote:Last year his passes didn't have much arc. They were heaved and shotputted, not giving the receiver much opportunity to adjust to the flight of the ball.Â
If there is a replay of the game online, I'd like to know where it is and see it.
Here's a highlight clip.
http://youtu.be/GWh1pz9ms8Q
Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip.
(09-01-2014, 12:41 PM)DC link Wrote:Last year his passes didn't have much arc. They were heaved and shotputted, not giving the receiver much opportunity to adjust to the flight of the ball.Â
If there is a replay of the game online, I'd like to know where it is and see it.
Here's a highlight clip.
http://youtu.be/GWh1pz9ms8Q
Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip.
09-01-2014, 02:23 PM
Hogan threw three incompletions.
The first was on the game's first play, when he clutched on a tiny flare.
The second was on Rector's drop on a slant. Perfectly thrown, unless you argue he should have taken a little off it to guarantee a catch.
The third was on the interception. The throw was a bit behind Owusu, but Francis has to go strong after that ball. But to Davis's credit, the DB made a great break and move on that throw. That's a catch in a lot of cases, and a learning opportunity for Owusu. To the extent that Hiogan was responsible, it's a throw that he needs to make a little higher and more outside.Â
Sure seems that he throw a remarkable deep ball.Â
The first was on the game's first play, when he clutched on a tiny flare.
The second was on Rector's drop on a slant. Perfectly thrown, unless you argue he should have taken a little off it to guarantee a catch.
The third was on the interception. The throw was a bit behind Owusu, but Francis has to go strong after that ball. But to Davis's credit, the DB made a great break and move on that throw. That's a catch in a lot of cases, and a learning opportunity for Owusu. To the extent that Hiogan was responsible, it's a throw that he needs to make a little higher and more outside.Â
Sure seems that he throw a remarkable deep ball.Â
Hogan threw three incompletions.
The first was on the game's first play, when he clutched on a tiny flare.
The second was on Rector's drop on a slant. Perfectly thrown, unless you argue he should have taken a little off it to guarantee a catch.
The third was on the interception. The throw was a bit behind Owusu, but Francis has to go strong after that ball. But to Davis's credit, the DB made a great break and move on that throw. That's a catch in a lot of cases, and a learning opportunity for Owusu. To the extent that Hiogan was responsible, it's a throw that he needs to make a little higher and more outside.Â
Sure seems that he throw a remarkable deep ball.Â
The first was on the game's first play, when he clutched on a tiny flare.
The second was on Rector's drop on a slant. Perfectly thrown, unless you argue he should have taken a little off it to guarantee a catch.
The third was on the interception. The throw was a bit behind Owusu, but Francis has to go strong after that ball. But to Davis's credit, the DB made a great break and move on that throw. That's a catch in a lot of cases, and a learning opportunity for Owusu. To the extent that Hiogan was responsible, it's a throw that he needs to make a little higher and more outside.Â
Sure seems that he throw a remarkable deep ball.Â
09-01-2014, 02:46 PM
After having seen the game in person, I watched the re-broadcast yesterday on TV. Hogan looked somewhat better to me on TV than in person--I'm not sure why.Â
The interception was clearly a case of him locking on to a receiver and not having enough situational awareness--and with a better secondary there might well have been another interception. (He did throw two last year against SC, so we will see if he does better this year.) Safeties are going to follow his eyes until he does something to burn them for doing so, and he is beginning to learn but is not all the way there.....
I did see him go to a second receiver at least a couple of times...which looked better to me than last year.Â
Some of his short to intermediate passes were a little low, high, or behind his receiver--but generally they were close enough to be caught. So I would have to say they were good passes but not perfect passes.Â
He should probably have had even better stats than he did. The bomb he threw to Montgomery in the end zone was not really overthrown--for some reason Ty did not accelerate or reach for it or it would have been a TD--except the play was called back on a penalty anyway. At least the penalty wiped out an INC.
The interception was clearly a case of him locking on to a receiver and not having enough situational awareness--and with a better secondary there might well have been another interception. (He did throw two last year against SC, so we will see if he does better this year.) Safeties are going to follow his eyes until he does something to burn them for doing so, and he is beginning to learn but is not all the way there.....
I did see him go to a second receiver at least a couple of times...which looked better to me than last year.Â
Some of his short to intermediate passes were a little low, high, or behind his receiver--but generally they were close enough to be caught. So I would have to say they were good passes but not perfect passes.Â
He should probably have had even better stats than he did. The bomb he threw to Montgomery in the end zone was not really overthrown--for some reason Ty did not accelerate or reach for it or it would have been a TD--except the play was called back on a penalty anyway. At least the penalty wiped out an INC.
After having seen the game in person, I watched the re-broadcast yesterday on TV. Hogan looked somewhat better to me on TV than in person--I'm not sure why.Â
The interception was clearly a case of him locking on to a receiver and not having enough situational awareness--and with a better secondary there might well have been another interception. (He did throw two last year against SC, so we will see if he does better this year.) Safeties are going to follow his eyes until he does something to burn them for doing so, and he is beginning to learn but is not all the way there.....
I did see him go to a second receiver at least a couple of times...which looked better to me than last year.Â
Some of his short to intermediate passes were a little low, high, or behind his receiver--but generally they were close enough to be caught. So I would have to say they were good passes but not perfect passes.Â
He should probably have had even better stats than he did. The bomb he threw to Montgomery in the end zone was not really overthrown--for some reason Ty did not accelerate or reach for it or it would have been a TD--except the play was called back on a penalty anyway. At least the penalty wiped out an INC.
The interception was clearly a case of him locking on to a receiver and not having enough situational awareness--and with a better secondary there might well have been another interception. (He did throw two last year against SC, so we will see if he does better this year.) Safeties are going to follow his eyes until he does something to burn them for doing so, and he is beginning to learn but is not all the way there.....
I did see him go to a second receiver at least a couple of times...which looked better to me than last year.Â
Some of his short to intermediate passes were a little low, high, or behind his receiver--but generally they were close enough to be caught. So I would have to say they were good passes but not perfect passes.Â
He should probably have had even better stats than he did. The bomb he threw to Montgomery in the end zone was not really overthrown--for some reason Ty did not accelerate or reach for it or it would have been a TD--except the play was called back on a penalty anyway. At least the penalty wiped out an INC.
09-01-2014, 03:06 PM
(09-01-2014, 01:44 PM)martyup link Wrote:[quote author=DC link=topic=10499.msg96179#msg96179 date=1409600494]
Last year his passes didn't have much arc. They were heaved and shotputted, not giving the receiver much opportunity to adjust to the flight of the ball.Â
If there is a replay of the game online, I'd like to know where it is and see it.
Here's a highlight clip.
http://youtu.be/GWh1pz9ms8Q
[/quote]
Thanks, Marty! :)
(09-01-2014, 01:44 PM)martyup link Wrote:[quote author=DC link=topic=10499.msg96179#msg96179 date=1409600494]
Last year his passes didn't have much arc. They were heaved and shotputted, not giving the receiver much opportunity to adjust to the flight of the ball.Â
If there is a replay of the game online, I'd like to know where it is and see it.
Here's a highlight clip.
http://youtu.be/GWh1pz9ms8Q
[/quote]
Thanks, Marty! :)
09-01-2014, 04:49 PM
There was a comment earlier about Hogan failing to lead receivers very much (leading to that INT). I agree, and I think some of those pass completions, while successful, could have gone for more yards if he'd led his receivers properly. Having said that, the window of opportunity (or margin for error) in making those throws and receptions is not large, so kudos for getting those yards in the first place. Next thing to do is to let your receivers' speed and separation work for yards after the catch.
Agreed re: grenade lobbing and shotputting. At this point, our wagon is hitched to the Hogan horse, so I hope he continues to tweak and improve his game. His deep completions are nice, but we won't get as many chances for those against U$C.
Has there ever been an earlier gut-check game in program history? Has Stanford ever opened the season with a marquee opponent?
Agreed re: grenade lobbing and shotputting. At this point, our wagon is hitched to the Hogan horse, so I hope he continues to tweak and improve his game. His deep completions are nice, but we won't get as many chances for those against U$C.
Has there ever been an earlier gut-check game in program history? Has Stanford ever opened the season with a marquee opponent?
There was a comment earlier about Hogan failing to lead receivers very much (leading to that INT). I agree, and I think some of those pass completions, while successful, could have gone for more yards if he'd led his receivers properly. Having said that, the window of opportunity (or margin for error) in making those throws and receptions is not large, so kudos for getting those yards in the first place. Next thing to do is to let your receivers' speed and separation work for yards after the catch.
Agreed re: grenade lobbing and shotputting. At this point, our wagon is hitched to the Hogan horse, so I hope he continues to tweak and improve his game. His deep completions are nice, but we won't get as many chances for those against U$C.
Has there ever been an earlier gut-check game in program history? Has Stanford ever opened the season with a marquee opponent?
Agreed re: grenade lobbing and shotputting. At this point, our wagon is hitched to the Hogan horse, so I hope he continues to tweak and improve his game. His deep completions are nice, but we won't get as many chances for those against U$C.
Has there ever been an earlier gut-check game in program history? Has Stanford ever opened the season with a marquee opponent?
09-01-2014, 04:56 PM
We opened against UCLA in 2007 and against OSU followed by ASU in 2008.
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
09-01-2014, 05:23 PM
We opened up the season at home against #2 ranked Oklahoma in Wiggins last year. They were good.... We weren't.
09-01-2014, 06:25 PM
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(09-01-2014, 04:49 PM)fullmetal link Wrote:Has there ever been an earlier gut-check game in program history? Has Stanford ever opened the season with a marquee opponent?
As recently as two years ago, Stanford played #2 USC in the 3rd game of the season. This happened:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm-XZBHb2Nw
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
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(09-01-2014, 04:49 PM)fullmetal link Wrote:Has there ever been an earlier gut-check game in program history? Has Stanford ever opened the season with a marquee opponent?
As recently as two years ago, Stanford played #2 USC in the 3rd game of the season. This happened:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm-XZBHb2Nw
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
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