06-17-2023, 03:57 PM
Glass half full—we’re undefeated in elimination games.
(06-17-2023, 03:36 PM)TonyLima Wrote: Roxy Bernstein agrees re the strike zone. Here’s the story on Brandon Cooper.
(06-17-2023, 03:36 PM)TonyLima Wrote: Roxy Bernstein agrees re the strike zone. Here’s the story on Brandon Cooper.
(06-17-2023, 04:09 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:(06-17-2023, 03:36 PM)TonyLima Wrote: Roxy Bernstein agrees re the strike zone. Here’s the story on Brandon Cooper.
I’m not sure if Roxy was thinking of a different pitch but Bruno’s 2-2 pitch to Wilken missed both high and outside. It wasn’t really close.
(06-17-2023, 04:09 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:(06-17-2023, 03:36 PM)TonyLima Wrote: Roxy Bernstein agrees re the strike zone. Here’s the story on Brandon Cooper.
I’m not sure if Roxy was thinking of a different pitch but Bruno’s 2-2 pitch to Wilken missed both high and outside. It wasn’t really close.
(06-17-2023, 04:05 PM)Madera86 Wrote: Well, I think that we had to lose this game, as close as it was, so that we can win the next three elimination games.
Wake is beatable. We got nine hits off of the best pitching staff in college. Let's pick ourselves up like we always do and earn the rematch.
(06-17-2023, 04:05 PM)Madera86 Wrote: Well, I think that we had to lose this game, as close as it was, so that we can win the next three elimination games.
Wake is beatable. We got nine hits off of the best pitching staff in college. Let's pick ourselves up like we always do and earn the rematch.
(06-17-2023, 01:33 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote: Moore is by far the slowest runner on the team. It was a well hit ball that the RF caught on one hop. Personally, I think Moore would’ve been out easily. The catcher made it look like the RF didn’t have a strong arm because he stepped up a few feet in front of home plate to cut off the throw and hold Becerra at first.
It’s unfortunate because any other runner would’ve been sent and probably scored in that situation but I agree with the decision to hold Moore.
(06-17-2023, 01:33 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote: Moore is by far the slowest runner on the team. It was a well hit ball that the RF caught on one hop. Personally, I think Moore would’ve been out easily. The catcher made it look like the RF didn’t have a strong arm because he stepped up a few feet in front of home plate to cut off the throw and hold Becerra at first.
It’s unfortunate because any other runner would’ve been sent and probably scored in that situation but I agree with the decision to hold Moore.
(06-17-2023, 04:34 PM)treetop11 Wrote:(06-17-2023, 01:33 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote: Moore is by far the slowest runner on the team. It was a well hit ball that the RF caught on one hop. Personally, I think Moore would’ve been out easily. The catcher made it look like the RF didn’t have a strong arm because he stepped up a few feet in front of home plate to cut off the throw and hold Becerra at first.
It’s unfortunate because any other runner would’ve been sent and probably scored in that situation but I agree with the decision to hold Moore.
Have to streongly disagree with you. Moore should have know or been told that with two outs, he should have off and running as soon as there was bat contact. Even though he's not the fastest guy, had he been hauling ass immediately, even a great throw wouldn't have gotten him.
(06-17-2023, 04:34 PM)treetop11 Wrote:(06-17-2023, 01:33 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote: Moore is by far the slowest runner on the team. It was a well hit ball that the RF caught on one hop. Personally, I think Moore would’ve been out easily. The catcher made it look like the RF didn’t have a strong arm because he stepped up a few feet in front of home plate to cut off the throw and hold Becerra at first.
It’s unfortunate because any other runner would’ve been sent and probably scored in that situation but I agree with the decision to hold Moore.
Have to streongly disagree with you. Moore should have know or been told that with two outs, he should have off and running as soon as there was bat contact. Even though he's not the fastest guy, had he been hauling ass immediately, even a great throw wouldn't have gotten him.
(06-17-2023, 04:13 PM)TonyLima Wrote:(06-17-2023, 04:09 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:(06-17-2023, 03:36 PM)TonyLima Wrote: Roxy Bernstein agrees re the strike zone. Here’s the story on Brandon Cooper.
I’m not sure if Roxy was thinking of a different pitch but Bruno’s 2-2 pitch to Wilken missed both high and outside. It wasn’t really close.
Here’s what Wes Clements says. And this from the play bybplay. “Wilken walked (3-2 KBBSBB); Kurtz advanced to second.” There were two pitches after the second strike.
(06-17-2023, 04:39 PM)Langdude Wrote: I think we pitched outstanding, even with the weird strike zone. I think we played solid defense.
I think that we did very poorly on the base paths, giving a great team free outs and taking away potential runs (a double killer). And I think that we did not hit with RISP, and that includes some of our most vaunted hitters.
When you make running mistakes and don't come through with productive hitting, especially as a team that relies on scoring, you almost always lose to good teams. We had a chance as their ace was off his game. We did not take advantage of it.
-m.
(06-17-2023, 04:13 PM)TonyLima Wrote:(06-17-2023, 04:09 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:(06-17-2023, 03:36 PM)TonyLima Wrote: Roxy Bernstein agrees re the strike zone. Here’s the story on Brandon Cooper.
I’m not sure if Roxy was thinking of a different pitch but Bruno’s 2-2 pitch to Wilken missed both high and outside. It wasn’t really close.
Here’s what Wes Clements says. And this from the play bybplay. “Wilken walked (3-2 KBBSBB); Kurtz advanced to second.” There were two pitches after the second strike.
(06-17-2023, 04:39 PM)Langdude Wrote: I think we pitched outstanding, even with the weird strike zone. I think we played solid defense.
I think that we did very poorly on the base paths, giving a great team free outs and taking away potential runs (a double killer). And I think that we did not hit with RISP, and that includes some of our most vaunted hitters.
When you make running mistakes and don't come through with productive hitting, especially as a team that relies on scoring, you almost always lose to good teams. We had a chance as their ace was off his game. We did not take advantage of it.
-m.
(06-17-2023, 04:13 PM)TonyLima Wrote:(06-17-2023, 04:09 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:(06-17-2023, 03:36 PM)TonyLima Wrote: Roxy Bernstein agrees re the strike zone. Here’s the story on Brandon Cooper.
I’m not sure if Roxy was thinking of a different pitch but Bruno’s 2-2 pitch to Wilken missed both high and outside. It wasn’t really close.
Here’s what Wes Clements says. And this from the play bybplay. “Wilken walked (3-2 KBBSBB); Kurtz advanced to second.” There were two pitches after the second strike.
(06-17-2023, 04:13 PM)TonyLima Wrote:(06-17-2023, 04:09 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:(06-17-2023, 03:36 PM)TonyLima Wrote: Roxy Bernstein agrees re the strike zone. Here’s the story on Brandon Cooper.
I’m not sure if Roxy was thinking of a different pitch but Bruno’s 2-2 pitch to Wilken missed both high and outside. It wasn’t really close.
Here’s what Wes Clements says. And this from the play bybplay. “Wilken walked (3-2 KBBSBB); Kurtz advanced to second.” There were two pitches after the second strike.
(06-17-2023, 03:49 PM)d4cohn Wrote:(06-17-2023, 03:45 PM)norcard10 Wrote: quite honestly with the recent ump performances in college and even MLB , I'm in favor of going to an automated strike zone.
I mean, if we have the technology, it is like VAR in soccer, why not get the call right. That being said, same home plate ump in top and bottom halves of the inning.
(06-17-2023, 03:49 PM)d4cohn Wrote:(06-17-2023, 03:45 PM)norcard10 Wrote: quite honestly with the recent ump performances in college and even MLB , I'm in favor of going to an automated strike zone.
I mean, if we have the technology, it is like VAR in soccer, why not get the call right. That being said, same home plate ump in top and bottom halves of the inning.
(06-17-2023, 05:30 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:(06-17-2023, 04:13 PM)TonyLima Wrote:(06-17-2023, 04:09 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:(06-17-2023, 03:36 PM)TonyLima Wrote: Roxy Bernstein agrees re the strike zone. Here’s the story on Brandon Cooper.
I’m not sure if Roxy was thinking of a different pitch but Bruno’s 2-2 pitch to Wilken missed both high and outside. It wasn’t really close.
Here’s what Wes Clements says. And this from the play bybplay. “Wilken walked (3-2 KBBSBB); Kurtz advanced to second.” There were two pitches after the second strike.
If you go to the box score of the game on ESPN you can see the pitch location. I think it was a bit higher than the spot shown, but it’s clearly well off the plate. The dead giveaway that it was outside was Moore yanking his glove way back to his left after he caught it.
(06-17-2023, 05:30 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:(06-17-2023, 04:13 PM)TonyLima Wrote:(06-17-2023, 04:09 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:(06-17-2023, 03:36 PM)TonyLima Wrote: Roxy Bernstein agrees re the strike zone. Here’s the story on Brandon Cooper.
I’m not sure if Roxy was thinking of a different pitch but Bruno’s 2-2 pitch to Wilken missed both high and outside. It wasn’t really close.
Here’s what Wes Clements says. And this from the play bybplay. “Wilken walked (3-2 KBBSBB); Kurtz advanced to second.” There were two pitches after the second strike.
If you go to the box score of the game on ESPN you can see the pitch location. I think it was a bit higher than the spot shown, but it’s clearly well off the plate. The dead giveaway that it was outside was Moore yanking his glove way back to his left after he caught it.
(06-17-2023, 05:32 PM)Blue Hawk (Mizzou) Card Wrote:(06-17-2023, 03:49 PM)d4cohn Wrote:(06-17-2023, 03:45 PM)norcard10 Wrote: quite honestly with the recent ump performances in college and even MLB , I'm in favor of going to an automated strike zone.
I mean, if we have the technology, it is like VAR in soccer, why not get the call right. That being said, same home plate ump in top and bottom halves of the inning.
It was NOT the same strike zone in the top and bottom halves of the inning, even if it was the same human. That is a big part of the problem.
Go back and look at the pitches that were called strikes on Rios and the ones Bruno did not get.
When you have humans (when you don't need to , as the technology is there), you have people who can be affected by things like reputation. That ump should be an ice skating judge, because his calls were influenced by Bruno's and the Wake picture's reputations. That is bs. The only thing that should matter is whether the pitch was in the zone as the home plate umpire has called it all day. Btw, that is another problem with humans calling balls and strikes. Why does every ump get to decide what his strike zone is?
The world has evolved. Let machines call balls and strikes, at least at the upper reaches of the game, to eliminate human subjectivy and bias. Let the kids decide the game, not the old men.
In baseball, if they won't give you the corners, you have the throw meatballs down the middle. And these kids are good enough to hit meatballs.
(06-17-2023, 05:32 PM)Blue Hawk (Mizzou) Card Wrote:(06-17-2023, 03:49 PM)d4cohn Wrote:(06-17-2023, 03:45 PM)norcard10 Wrote: quite honestly with the recent ump performances in college and even MLB , I'm in favor of going to an automated strike zone.
I mean, if we have the technology, it is like VAR in soccer, why not get the call right. That being said, same home plate ump in top and bottom halves of the inning.
It was NOT the same strike zone in the top and bottom halves of the inning, even if it was the same human. That is a big part of the problem.
Go back and look at the pitches that were called strikes on Rios and the ones Bruno did not get.
When you have humans (when you don't need to , as the technology is there), you have people who can be affected by things like reputation. That ump should be an ice skating judge, because his calls were influenced by Bruno's and the Wake picture's reputations. That is bs. The only thing that should matter is whether the pitch was in the zone as the home plate umpire has called it all day. Btw, that is another problem with humans calling balls and strikes. Why does every ump get to decide what his strike zone is?
The world has evolved. Let machines call balls and strikes, at least at the upper reaches of the game, to eliminate human subjectivy and bias. Let the kids decide the game, not the old men.
In baseball, if they won't give you the corners, you have the throw meatballs down the middle. And these kids are good enough to hit meatballs.
(06-17-2023, 06:30 PM)Softball Fan Wrote: Also, in softball it helps having arguably the best pitcher in the country to come in relief in close games. I agree about computer vision equipment to call balls and strikes and perhaps AI robots to replace umps at the bases.
(06-17-2023, 06:30 PM)Softball Fan Wrote: Also, in softball it helps having arguably the best pitcher in the country to come in relief in close games. I agree about computer vision equipment to call balls and strikes and perhaps AI robots to replace umps at the bases.
(06-17-2023, 06:35 PM)d4cohn Wrote:(06-17-2023, 06:30 PM)Softball Fan Wrote: Also, in softball it helps having arguably the best pitcher in the country to come in relief in close games. I agree about computer vision equipment to call balls and strikes and perhaps AI robots to replace umps at the bases.
I agree SF. But why can't Stanford baseball also have the best pitcher/closer in the country? Quinn Matthews is great. We have had great staffs in baseball in 2017 and 2018 (and even 2019 for baseball was quite good). Canady is the best pitcher in the country for softball for Stanford because of recruiting and development (recruiting a great player like Canady on the 40 year plan and what she can achieve athletically, and then helping her achieve on her potential).
(06-17-2023, 06:35 PM)d4cohn Wrote:(06-17-2023, 06:30 PM)Softball Fan Wrote: Also, in softball it helps having arguably the best pitcher in the country to come in relief in close games. I agree about computer vision equipment to call balls and strikes and perhaps AI robots to replace umps at the bases.
I agree SF. But why can't Stanford baseball also have the best pitcher/closer in the country? Quinn Matthews is great. We have had great staffs in baseball in 2017 and 2018 (and even 2019 for baseball was quite good). Canady is the best pitcher in the country for softball for Stanford because of recruiting and development (recruiting a great player like Canady on the 40 year plan and what she can achieve athletically, and then helping her achieve on her potential).
(06-17-2023, 05:30 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:(06-17-2023, 04:13 PM)TonyLima Wrote:(06-17-2023, 04:09 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:(06-17-2023, 03:36 PM)TonyLima Wrote: Roxy Bernstein agrees re the strike zone. Here’s the story on Brandon Cooper.
I’m not sure if Roxy was thinking of a different pitch but Bruno’s 2-2 pitch to Wilken missed both high and outside. It wasn’t really close.
Here’s what Wes Clements says. And this from the play bybplay. “Wilken walked (3-2 KBBSBB); Kurtz advanced to second.” There were two pitches after the second strike.
If you go to the box score of the game on ESPN you can see the pitch location. I think it was a bit higher than the spot shown, but it’s clearly well off the plate. The dead giveaway that it was outside was Moore yanking his glove way back to his left after he caught it.
I’ll put it like this, if that had been a Stanford batter at the plate and that pitch was called a strike, I would’ve been livid.
(06-17-2023, 05:30 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:(06-17-2023, 04:13 PM)TonyLima Wrote:(06-17-2023, 04:09 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:(06-17-2023, 03:36 PM)TonyLima Wrote: Roxy Bernstein agrees re the strike zone. Here’s the story on Brandon Cooper.
I’m not sure if Roxy was thinking of a different pitch but Bruno’s 2-2 pitch to Wilken missed both high and outside. It wasn’t really close.
Here’s what Wes Clements says. And this from the play bybplay. “Wilken walked (3-2 KBBSBB); Kurtz advanced to second.” There were two pitches after the second strike.
If you go to the box score of the game on ESPN you can see the pitch location. I think it was a bit higher than the spot shown, but it’s clearly well off the plate. The dead giveaway that it was outside was Moore yanking his glove way back to his left after he caught it.
I’ll put it like this, if that had been a Stanford batter at the plate and that pitch was called a strike, I would’ve been livid.