[ChicagoCard]

Is he eligible for a redshirt? He didn't play as a true freshman so he already has that option but maybe not for an additional redshirt year.

[ChicagoCard]

Is he eligible for a redshirt? He didn't play as a true freshman so he already has that option but maybe not for an additional redshirt year.

[JJJ]

- Shaw & players surprise that nobody knew about the Flacco speech after the Utah loss.  If you/Andy/David are surprised, I think all of us are

I hadn't discovered this board back then so I don't know if you'd discussed it then, but I do remember reading about the Flacco "speech" following the Utah game, mainly because everyone listening to Shaw's postgame presser heard it (SFGate? Merc? Bleacher Report? don't remember). So color me a little surprised that many people didn't know about it too.

[JJJ]

- Shaw & players surprise that nobody knew about the Flacco speech after the Utah loss.  If you/Andy/David are surprised, I think all of us are

I hadn't discovered this board back then so I don't know if you'd discussed it then, but I do remember reading about the Flacco "speech" following the Utah game, mainly because everyone listening to Shaw's postgame presser heard it (SFGate? Merc? Bleacher Report? don't remember). So color me a little surprised that many people didn't know about it too.

[JJJ]

Lombardi's piece. Sorry if this has already been posted somewhere.

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/...new-season

[JJJ]

Lombardi's piece. Sorry if this has already been posted somewhere.

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/...new-season

[Hank 91]

[quote author=leftcoast link=topic=12430.msg123261#msg123261 date=1438476092]
What do we know about Noor's injury?  Is he out for the season?

Lefty - see separate thread with Hank's Media Day report.  It has specifics on the injury.
[/quote]

In typical fashion, Shaw described it as a "lower leg injury." It was Martinez who told me it was a torn achilles. If that's actually correct and the tendon is torn, I can't imagine we'll see him at all this year. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if Martinez were wrong. In fact, that's probably the case. If it were torn, I'm sure Shaw would declare him out for the season.

As for redshirting, I'm pretty sure a medical redshirt is different from a normal redshirt. Theoretically, a player could take a normal redshirt his first year on campus, play a season, have a medical redshirt (if approved), and still have three more years of eligibility.

[Hank 91]

[quote author=leftcoast link=topic=12430.msg123261#msg123261 date=1438476092]
What do we know about Noor's injury?  Is he out for the season?

Lefty - see separate thread with Hank's Media Day report.  It has specifics on the injury.
[/quote]

In typical fashion, Shaw described it as a "lower leg injury." It was Martinez who told me it was a torn achilles. If that's actually correct and the tendon is torn, I can't imagine we'll see him at all this year. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if Martinez were wrong. In fact, that's probably the case. If it were torn, I'm sure Shaw would declare him out for the season.

As for redshirting, I'm pretty sure a medical redshirt is different from a normal redshirt. Theoretically, a player could take a normal redshirt his first year on campus, play a season, have a medical redshirt (if approved), and still have three more years of eligibility.

[CTcard]

As for redshirting, I'm pretty sure a medical redshirt is different from a normal redshirt. Theoretically, a player could take a normal redshirt his first year on campus, play a season, have a medical redshirt (if approved), and still have three more years of eligibility.

That isn't correct. To apply for a sixth year, hardship-year, waiver you have to have missed two seasons purely due to injury. If you have done a "regular" redshirt you aren't eligible.

There are some differences between a medical and regular redshirt. You cannot take a regular redshirt if you appear in a game at all. For a medical redshirt you could have played in the first 25% of games. Of course a medical redshirt has to be documented. Terry can probably throw in more details - and correct the above if necessary.

[CTcard]

As for redshirting, I'm pretty sure a medical redshirt is different from a normal redshirt. Theoretically, a player could take a normal redshirt his first year on campus, play a season, have a medical redshirt (if approved), and still have three more years of eligibility.

That isn't correct. To apply for a sixth year, hardship-year, waiver you have to have missed two seasons purely due to injury. If you have done a "regular" redshirt you aren't eligible.

There are some differences between a medical and regular redshirt. You cannot take a regular redshirt if you appear in a game at all. For a medical redshirt you could have played in the first 25% of games. Of course a medical redshirt has to be documented. Terry can probably throw in more details - and correct the above if necessary.

[Hank 91]

Thanks for that clarification. Is it possible, then, that Davis found his way onto the field as a freshman? Otherwise, the redshirt discussion makes no sense. Of course, Shaw said that Davis wasn't interested in redshirting, so maybe this isn't worth discussing.

[Hank 91]

Thanks for that clarification. Is it possible, then, that Davis found his way onto the field as a freshman? Otherwise, the redshirt discussion makes no sense. Of course, Shaw said that Davis wasn't interested in redshirting, so maybe this isn't worth discussing.

[winflop]

I would think that if the possibility of him redshirting is mentioned by the head coach, then it's an option.

[winflop]

I would think that if the possibility of him redshirting is mentioned by the head coach, then it's an option.

[CTcard]

Thanks for that clarification. Is it possible, then, that Davis found his way onto the field as a freshman? 

The official site says that Davis did not see action his freshman year. I suppose it is possible that is related to some previously undisclosed medical problem.

Also, I cannot find the text of the rule right now. Usually Terry will chime in before long with the exact wording. My memory is that this is a hardship waiver, and hardship is not fully defined but clearly can include two years of injury and explicitly does not include a simple choice to redshirt. But that is only from memory.

[CTcard]

Thanks for that clarification. Is it possible, then, that Davis found his way onto the field as a freshman? 

The official site says that Davis did not see action his freshman year. I suppose it is possible that is related to some previously undisclosed medical problem.

Also, I cannot find the text of the rule right now. Usually Terry will chime in before long with the exact wording. My memory is that this is a hardship waiver, and hardship is not fully defined but clearly can include two years of injury and explicitly does not include a simple choice to redshirt. But that is only from memory.

[needle]

This blog post is from a couple of year ago, but it cites what seem to be the relevant NCAA regs:

Here is the bylaw language from the NCAA regarding sixth years:

NCAA Bylaw 30.6.1 – Waiver Criteria

A waiver of the five-year period of eligibility is designed to provide a student-athlete with the opportunity to participate in four seasons of intercollegiate competition within a five-year period. This waiver may be granted, based upon objective evidence, for reasons that are beyond the control of the student-athlete or the institution, which deprive the student-athlete of the opportunity to participate for more than one season in his/her sport within the five-year period. The Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement reserves the right to review requests that do not meet the more-than-one-year criteria detailed in this bylaw for circumstances of extraordinary or extreme hardship. A student-athlete who has exhausted his or her five years of eligibility may continue to practice (but not compete) for a maximum of 30 consecutive calendar days, provided the student-athlete’s institution has filed such a request. Further, if such a request is denied prior to exhausting the 30 day practice period, the student-athlete must cease all practice activities upon the institution’s notification of the denial.

NCAA Bylaw 30.6.1.1 – Circumstances Beyond Control

Circumstances considered to be beyond the control of the student-athlete or the institution and do not cause a participation opportunity to be used shall include, but are not limited to, the following:

(a) Situations clearly supported by contemporaneous medical documentation, which states that a student-athlete is unable to participate in intercollegiate competition as a result of incapacitating physical or mental circumstances;

(b) The student-athlete is unable to participate in intercollegiate athletics as a result of a life-threatening or incapacitating injury or illness suffered by a member of the student-athlete’s immediate family, which clearly is supported by contemporaneous medical documentation;

© Reliance by the student-athlete upon written, contemporaneous, clearly erroneous academic advice provided to the student-athlete from a specific academic authority from a collegiate institution regarding the academic status of the student-athlete or prospective student-athlete, which directly leads to that individual not being eligible to participate and, but for the clearly erroneous advice, the student-athlete would have established eligibility for intercollegiate competition;

(d) Natural disasters (e.g., earthquakes, flood); and

(e) Extreme financial difficulties as a result of a specific event (e.g. layoff, death in the family) experienced by the student-athlete or by an individual upon whom the student-athlete is legally dependent, which must prohibit the student-athlete from participating in intercollegiate athletics. These circumstances must be clearly supported by objective documentation (e.g., decree of bankruptcy, proof of termination) and must be beyond the control of the student-athlete or the individual upon whom the student-athlete is legally dependent.

NCAA Bylaw 30.6.1.2 – Circumstances Within Control

Circumstances that are considered to be within the control of the student-athlete or the institution and cause a participation opportunity to be used include, but are not limited to, the following:

(a) A student-athlete’s decision to attend an institution that does not sponsor his/her sport, or decides not to participate at an institution that does sponsor his/her sport;

(b) An inability to participate due to failure to meet institutional/conference or NCAA academic requirements, or disciplinary reasons or incarceration culminating in or resulting from a conviction;

© Reliance by a student-athlete upon misinformation from a coaching staff member;

(d) Redshirt year;

(e) An inability to participate as a result of a transfer year in residence or fulfilling a condition for restoration eligibility; and

(f) A student-athlete’s lack of understanding regarding the specific starting date of his or her five-year period of eligibility. 

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/uwsports/...igibility/

[needle]

This blog post is from a couple of year ago, but it cites what seem to be the relevant NCAA regs:

Here is the bylaw language from the NCAA regarding sixth years:

NCAA Bylaw 30.6.1 – Waiver Criteria

A waiver of the five-year period of eligibility is designed to provide a student-athlete with the opportunity to participate in four seasons of intercollegiate competition within a five-year period. This waiver may be granted, based upon objective evidence, for reasons that are beyond the control of the student-athlete or the institution, which deprive the student-athlete of the opportunity to participate for more than one season in his/her sport within the five-year period. The Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement reserves the right to review requests that do not meet the more-than-one-year criteria detailed in this bylaw for circumstances of extraordinary or extreme hardship. A student-athlete who has exhausted his or her five years of eligibility may continue to practice (but not compete) for a maximum of 30 consecutive calendar days, provided the student-athlete’s institution has filed such a request. Further, if such a request is denied prior to exhausting the 30 day practice period, the student-athlete must cease all practice activities upon the institution’s notification of the denial.

NCAA Bylaw 30.6.1.1 – Circumstances Beyond Control

Circumstances considered to be beyond the control of the student-athlete or the institution and do not cause a participation opportunity to be used shall include, but are not limited to, the following:

(a) Situations clearly supported by contemporaneous medical documentation, which states that a student-athlete is unable to participate in intercollegiate competition as a result of incapacitating physical or mental circumstances;

(b) The student-athlete is unable to participate in intercollegiate athletics as a result of a life-threatening or incapacitating injury or illness suffered by a member of the student-athlete’s immediate family, which clearly is supported by contemporaneous medical documentation;

© Reliance by the student-athlete upon written, contemporaneous, clearly erroneous academic advice provided to the student-athlete from a specific academic authority from a collegiate institution regarding the academic status of the student-athlete or prospective student-athlete, which directly leads to that individual not being eligible to participate and, but for the clearly erroneous advice, the student-athlete would have established eligibility for intercollegiate competition;

(d) Natural disasters (e.g., earthquakes, flood); and

(e) Extreme financial difficulties as a result of a specific event (e.g. layoff, death in the family) experienced by the student-athlete or by an individual upon whom the student-athlete is legally dependent, which must prohibit the student-athlete from participating in intercollegiate athletics. These circumstances must be clearly supported by objective documentation (e.g., decree of bankruptcy, proof of termination) and must be beyond the control of the student-athlete or the individual upon whom the student-athlete is legally dependent.

NCAA Bylaw 30.6.1.2 – Circumstances Within Control

Circumstances that are considered to be within the control of the student-athlete or the institution and cause a participation opportunity to be used include, but are not limited to, the following:

(a) A student-athlete’s decision to attend an institution that does not sponsor his/her sport, or decides not to participate at an institution that does sponsor his/her sport;

(b) An inability to participate due to failure to meet institutional/conference or NCAA academic requirements, or disciplinary reasons or incarceration culminating in or resulting from a conviction;

© Reliance by a student-athlete upon misinformation from a coaching staff member;

(d) Redshirt year;

(e) An inability to participate as a result of a transfer year in residence or fulfilling a condition for restoration eligibility; and

(f) A student-athlete’s lack of understanding regarding the specific starting date of his or her five-year period of eligibility. 

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/uwsports/...igibility/

[terry]

To apply for a sixth year, hardship-year, waiver you have to have missed two seasons purely due to injury. If you have done a "regular" redshirt you aren't eligible.

Yes, that's right.

An athlete gets four seasons of competition, which must be completed within five years of enrollment. Davis redshirted his first year, then played a year. So he has three seasons of competition remaining, and he has three years remaining on his five-year clock. If he misses a year with injury this year, he will still have three seasons of competition remaining, but only two years left on his five-year clock. So he would need to get a 6th year. He can only get a 6th year if he misses two years due to injury (or other reasons beyond his control). Under the rules, his freshman redshirt is not a reason beyond his control (unless he was injured and we don't know about it).

[terry]

To apply for a sixth year, hardship-year, waiver you have to have missed two seasons purely due to injury. If you have done a "regular" redshirt you aren't eligible.

Yes, that's right.

An athlete gets four seasons of competition, which must be completed within five years of enrollment. Davis redshirted his first year, then played a year. So he has three seasons of competition remaining, and he has three years remaining on his five-year clock. If he misses a year with injury this year, he will still have three seasons of competition remaining, but only two years left on his five-year clock. So he would need to get a 6th year. He can only get a 6th year if he misses two years due to injury (or other reasons beyond his control). Under the rules, his freshman redshirt is not a reason beyond his control (unless he was injured and we don't know about it).

[ChicagoCard]

Perez definitely snuck up on me. I was surprised to hear the coaches mention his name a couple times recently. Really unfortunate about Davis' injury. But we have Palma, and if Perez has emerged, that really helps.

In the Mercury's recent feature on Kevin Anderson, there's an indication that Palma is expected to be one of the starters...

Anderson is part of potentially one of the best linebacking corps in the country.

"Peter Kalambayi, Blake Martinez, Kevin Palma, a pretty dang-good four at linebacker," Anderson said. "Everyone has played a lot. We have a lot of people returning on defense. It's the most talent we've had since I've been here. Our job as leaders is to steer these younger guys to reach their potential."

[ChicagoCard]

Perez definitely snuck up on me. I was surprised to hear the coaches mention his name a couple times recently. Really unfortunate about Davis' injury. But we have Palma, and if Perez has emerged, that really helps.

In the Mercury's recent feature on Kevin Anderson, there's an indication that Palma is expected to be one of the starters...

Anderson is part of potentially one of the best linebacking corps in the country.

"Peter Kalambayi, Blake Martinez, Kevin Palma, a pretty dang-good four at linebacker," Anderson said. "Everyone has played a lot. We have a lot of people returning on defense. It's the most talent we've had since I've been here. Our job as leaders is to steer these younger guys to reach their potential."

[Hulk01]

Perez has freakish talent, as evidence by his camp performance on the board drills against guys 90 pounds bigger. Phenomenal lower body strength.  He could squat a pair of offensive tackles.

[Hulk01]

Perez has freakish talent, as evidence by his camp performance on the board drills against guys 90 pounds bigger. Phenomenal lower body strength.  He could squat a pair of offensive tackles.