[doubledub]

Anyone know why he chose not to do the bench press?

[doubledub]

Anyone know why he chose not to do the bench press?

[Mick]

Anyone know why he chose not to do the bench press?

Not enough weight was available and he was offended.  THat's my guess, anyway.

[Mick]

Anyone know why he chose not to do the bench press?

Not enough weight was available and he was offended.  THat's my guess, anyway.

[yvonne]

Turley's functional methods don't result in players having good bench press metrics. "If you're on your back, it's already too late," is what I've heard players say.

[yvonne]

Turley's functional methods don't result in players having good bench press metrics. "If you're on your back, it's already too late," is what I've heard players say.

[Rally]

Turley's functional methods don't result in players having good bench press metrics. "If you're on your back, it's already too late," is what I've heard players say.

Agree.  When was the last time you saw a player bench press during a game?  Run a straight line 40 yard dash? 

[Rally]

Turley's functional methods don't result in players having good bench press metrics. "If you're on your back, it's already too late," is what I've heard players say.

Agree.  When was the last time you saw a player bench press during a game?  Run a straight line 40 yard dash? 

[CornFed]

Jeepers, I don't know.  Wouldn't it seem intuitive that the functional equivalent of a bench press is a fairly fundamental part of the task for an offensive lineman.

[CornFed]

Jeepers, I don't know.  Wouldn't it seem intuitive that the functional equivalent of a bench press is a fairly fundamental part of the task for an offensive lineman.

[yvonne]

No it isn't because the bend in a bench press is much farther back than any point in a block.

[yvonne]

No it isn't because the bend in a bench press is much farther back than any point in a block.

[CornFed]

It starts further back, but then extends outward, like a block.

[CornFed]

It starts further back, but then extends outward, like a block.

[Rally]

It starts further back, but then extends outward, like a block.

Explosive shock matters much more in a block than a bench press.  (For all I know.)  I leg pressed over 400 lbs once in hs.  Fluky thing.  Didn't help my swimming I can assure you.

[Rally]

It starts further back, but then extends outward, like a block.

Explosive shock matters much more in a block than a bench press.  (For all I know.)  I leg pressed over 400 lbs once in hs.  Fluky thing.  Didn't help my swimming I can assure you.

[Leftcoast]

Google "Shannon Turley Bench Press" and you'll find that Turley openly disdains football's obsession with the measure.  It's not surprising his players don't want to be defined by those numbers.

[Leftcoast]

Google "Shannon Turley Bench Press" and you'll find that Turley openly disdains football's obsession with the measure.  It's not surprising his players don't want to be defined by those numbers.

[CornFed]

I think if a bench press is done properly, it is supposed to be explosive.  That, however, is if one is using the proper weight, not the maximum possible weight. 

Believe me, I accepted Yvonne's explanation in the first instance.  If Turley eschews the exercise, I don't need any further convincing to accept Peat's pass at the combine.  It really is just curiosity on my part.  Maybe I can find some of Turley's rationale online somewhere.  For someone like me who has little or no technical knowledge in these matters, it seems like an innocuous requirement.  But I suppose that, with draft position in the balance, one would be ill-advised to participate in something for which you haven't prepared.  On the other hand, isn't it like taking the Fifth?  One naturally assumes you have something to hide and Peat will suffer some ill effect in perceptions anyway.

[CornFed]

I think if a bench press is done properly, it is supposed to be explosive.  That, however, is if one is using the proper weight, not the maximum possible weight. 

Believe me, I accepted Yvonne's explanation in the first instance.  If Turley eschews the exercise, I don't need any further convincing to accept Peat's pass at the combine.  It really is just curiosity on my part.  Maybe I can find some of Turley's rationale online somewhere.  For someone like me who has little or no technical knowledge in these matters, it seems like an innocuous requirement.  But I suppose that, with draft position in the balance, one would be ill-advised to participate in something for which you haven't prepared.  On the other hand, isn't it like taking the Fifth?  One naturally assumes you have something to hide and Peat will suffer some ill effect in perceptions anyway.

[CompSci87]

Maybe he'd be happy to bias his chances toward being drafted by a team whose training staff understands the Turley philosophy.

[CompSci87]

Maybe he'd be happy to bias his chances toward being drafted by a team whose training staff understands the Turley philosophy.

[winflop]

Run a straight line 40 yard dash?

Christian McCaffrey's first catch of his career?

[winflop]

Run a straight line 40 yard dash?

Christian McCaffrey's first catch of his career?

[CornFed]

Well, I did as LC suggested and I have at least a little more perspective.


From an article in the Bleacher Report:

"For those who say numbers in the weight room are important measure of success on the field, Turley would counter with the example of Stanford’s 6’5”, 313-pound All-American guard David Yankey, who Turley says can barely bench his own body weight.

‘‘He’s got to have some pop, I get it,” said Turley. “But isn’t the rate at which you strike more important than moving a bunch of weight around really slow?”"

They do bench presses, for instance, but it is more about controlling the weight than about maximizing the weight.

You don't have to read very far to realize how fortunate we are to have Turley and his gang.  He is absolutely changing these young men's lives.  I mean, in every facet.  I am deeply impressed. 

[CornFed]

Well, I did as LC suggested and I have at least a little more perspective.


From an article in the Bleacher Report:

"For those who say numbers in the weight room are important measure of success on the field, Turley would counter with the example of Stanford’s 6’5”, 313-pound All-American guard David Yankey, who Turley says can barely bench his own body weight.

‘‘He’s got to have some pop, I get it,” said Turley. “But isn’t the rate at which you strike more important than moving a bunch of weight around really slow?”"

They do bench presses, for instance, but it is more about controlling the weight than about maximizing the weight.

You don't have to read very far to realize how fortunate we are to have Turley and his gang.  He is absolutely changing these young men's lives.  I mean, in every facet.  I am deeply impressed. 

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

The upper-body portion of blocking primarily utilizes the shoulders.  Traditional bench press is more of a chest workout.

Peat may not have an impressive bench relatively speaking but I'd bet he can overhead press David Parry.

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

The upper-body portion of blocking primarily utilizes the shoulders.  Traditional bench press is more of a chest workout.

Peat may not have an impressive bench relatively speaking but I'd bet he can overhead press David Parry.

[Bruce Wang]

You don't have to read very far to realize how fortunate we are to have Turley and his gang.  He is absolutely changing these young men's lives.  I mean, in every facet.  I am deeply impressed.

MBB needs a Turley if not The Turley.

[Bruce Wang]

You don't have to read very far to realize how fortunate we are to have Turley and his gang.  He is absolutely changing these young men's lives.  I mean, in every facet.  I am deeply impressed.

MBB needs a Turley if not The Turley.

[washingtonismoney]

Here's a data visualization of Peat relative to other OTs, historically:

https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/status/56...4938759168

[washingtonismoney]

Here's a data visualization of Peat relative to other OTs, historically:

https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/status/56...4938759168

[BostonCard]

Others have mentioned some important points about the bench press versus the work of an offensive lineman.  But also, think of it this way: in a bench press, your back is up against the bench, anchoring and stabilizing the torso as you push the weight.  In football, offensive linemen are relying on their legs and core to anchor their body as they push.  All the bench strength in the world is meaningless if you lose balance and fall in the process of pushing back a defensive lineman.

Unfortunately, we live in a measurement obsessed world and it is much easier to measure speed (40 time) and strength (bench press) than it is to measure flexibility, balance, range of motion, agility (I guess there is the three cone test), core strength, etc.

BC

[BostonCard]

Others have mentioned some important points about the bench press versus the work of an offensive lineman.  But also, think of it this way: in a bench press, your back is up against the bench, anchoring and stabilizing the torso as you push the weight.  In football, offensive linemen are relying on their legs and core to anchor their body as they push.  All the bench strength in the world is meaningless if you lose balance and fall in the process of pushing back a defensive lineman.

Unfortunately, we live in a measurement obsessed world and it is much easier to measure speed (40 time) and strength (bench press) than it is to measure flexibility, balance, range of motion, agility (I guess there is the three cone test), core strength, etc.

BC

[StanfordMatt]

Turley may not emphasize the bench press, but that sure didn't stop David Parry from impressing in the event. Parry tied for second among all DL with 34 reps.

[StanfordMatt]

Turley may not emphasize the bench press, but that sure didn't stop David Parry from impressing in the event. Parry tied for second among all DL with 34 reps.

[CornFed]

Others have mentioned some important points about the bench press versus the work of an offensive lineman.  But also, think of it this way: in a bench press, your back is up against the bench, anchoring and stabilizing the torso as you push the weight.  In football, offensive linemen are relying on their legs and core to anchor their body as they push.  All the bench strength in the world is meaningless if you lose balance and fall in the process of pushing back a defensive lineman.

Unfortunately, we live in a measurement obsessed world and it is much easier to measure speed (40 time) and strength (bench press) than it is to measure flexibility, balance, range of motion, agility (I guess there is the three cone test), core strength, etc.

BC

Your observations are absolutely accurate, but it still appears that a regimen including bench presses is better than one without.  I guess the point of the thread, though, is whether or not it is an indicative metric as it is used at the combine.  I have come to understand a bit better why it probably is not meaningful in predicting success for a player in realtime game situations.

[CornFed]

Others have mentioned some important points about the bench press versus the work of an offensive lineman.  But also, think of it this way: in a bench press, your back is up against the bench, anchoring and stabilizing the torso as you push the weight.  In football, offensive linemen are relying on their legs and core to anchor their body as they push.  All the bench strength in the world is meaningless if you lose balance and fall in the process of pushing back a defensive lineman.

Unfortunately, we live in a measurement obsessed world and it is much easier to measure speed (40 time) and strength (bench press) than it is to measure flexibility, balance, range of motion, agility (I guess there is the three cone test), core strength, etc.

BC

Your observations are absolutely accurate, but it still appears that a regimen including bench presses is better than one without.  I guess the point of the thread, though, is whether or not it is an indicative metric as it is used at the combine.  I have come to understand a bit better why it probably is not meaningful in predicting success for a player in realtime game situations.

[Bruce Wang]

Caught a bit of TMZ. Won't explain why.  Yes, I'm ashamed. Anyway I tuned in at the perfect time as they decided to compare a Kardashian to Peat and included a narration of his physique from the NFL Network's coverage of the combine.

Couldn't find the TMZ video.  Here's the combine narration they cited:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0a...ll-workout

[Bruce Wang]

Caught a bit of TMZ. Won't explain why.  Yes, I'm ashamed. Anyway I tuned in at the perfect time as they decided to compare a Kardashian to Peat and included a narration of his physique from the NFL Network's coverage of the combine.

Couldn't find the TMZ video.  Here's the combine narration they cited:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0a...ll-workout