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Directors Cupdate - IT'S (OFFICIALLY) OVER - Viking_Guy - 05-10-2015
So, while waiting for the WWP to get started, I looked over the cup scoring.
We will score in 10 sports for both men and women (because fencing will be moved to the men's side of the ledger - it goes to the gender where it leads to the highest point total for the school.)
Note: the first number is placement in the field. You'll notice the different weights that NACDA scoring structure gives sports based on the size of the championship field. So 14th place women's cross-country outscores 5th place field hockey.
Sorry for the formatting; doing all of the td and tr tags reminds me too much of my early days of Unix-based website editing in vi. Yay WYSIWYG! Though I'll probably end up doing it as the scoring changes over the next few weekends...
For Stanford thus far:
Women
Water Polo 1 100
Swimming 3 85
Soccer   3 83
Volleyball     3 83
Gymnastics 5 75
Indoor T+FÂ 8Â 70.5
Basketball     9 64
Cross Country  14  61.5
Field Hockey 5 60
Still in progress
Tennis minimum 64 (in the Sweet 16 of a 64-team field)
Golf minimum 50 (in the final 24 scored for a 64-team field)
Outdoor T+F
Womens Rowing
Women minimum 746 (current scores plus tennis minimum)
Men
Cross Country 2 90
Gymnastics 2 90
Swimming 6 73.5
Water Polo 3 72.5
Fencing   10 60
Soccer   17 50
Tennis   17 50
Football     26 45
Wrestling     35 38.5
Still scoring possibilities:
Golf (will score a minimum of 5 points by being in the field); Outdoor Track and Field
Mens minimum 574.5 (men's golf and T+F produce minimum 5 points, by golf's qualifying)
So minimum right now is 1320.5, if there is no displacement of women's teams by higher scorers, and if both of the men's teams don't score more than 5 points.
Women's golf will need to finish above 14 to displace field-hockey and add to Stanford's point total. Women's tennis will add to the point total with each victory.
Outdoor T+F and women's rowing should score. The question is will the men's T+F outscore golf (less likely) or wrestling (more likely) for the men (finishing in 35th of better - T+F currently ranked #25) to knock them out of the scoring. Or will T+F and Golf outscore and eliminate football from the scoring (above 29th).
And will women's T+F (currently ranked 13) or women's rowing (currently ranked 6th) finish well enough to displace lower scoring teams. But people who know more about T+F and rowing might want to chime in.
Trying to get my numbers out there before Terry corrects everything ;) ,
VG
Re: Directors Cupdate - Farm93 - 05-10-2015
First the Director's Cup is not as important as that lovely NCAA team title today.
The Men's tennis result was really helpful as getting extra points on the men's side is a big deal. Stanford's tally is almost locked at the moment. Stanford will come in just below 1400. Likely between 1350 & 1380.
UCLA has far more variability. Any early round loss by UCLA would help Stanford a lot. If UCLA has a very good 4 weeks they can finish above 1,400. If they play, more or less, to their current rankings then their total will be 1,350 or so.
It is still that close, but today really is about the NCAA team title. Congrats to the Water Polo team!
Re: Directors Cupdate - BobK - 05-10-2015
Most of my friends believe like myself the Directors Cup is far more important than the single victory.Â
Look at today we win on a penalty with 11 seconds left. No skill in getting the penalty shot just pure luck and while the shot was great it was certainly a crap shoot. So much luck in winning it all. The Cup is so many sports so many athletes doing well to great
That said thank you Viking Guy. What a great post.Â
T&F will do well but top 10 depends on Maks and Solomon for the men and Bain's health for the women.
Today Harrison Williams was 2nd the the pac 12 decathlon breaking Stanford's oldest school record set in 1952 by Bob Mathias.Â
Re: Directors Cupdate - terry - 05-10-2015
For some reason, I found myself more interested in extending the Streak than winning the Directors Cup. Not sure why. I'm really happy to see the water polo team come through for us again!
Of course there's no reason we can't have it all. We can win the Cup, but I don't feel comfortable with what we already have on the board. It would really help to get good performances out of men's golf, women's rowing, and both track teams.
Re: Directors Cupdate - fishman - 05-10-2015
How blase we have become! Other big-time athletic departments and fan groups would die to win just one Directors Cup. We just yawn and put another one on the shelf. The WWP championship is fantastic, just as the women tennis championship was a couple of years ago, but it's the collective efforts of hundreds of men and women students that wins us a Directors Cup. I think it's that across-the-board excellence and consistency that deserves the most recognition and respect.
That said, what a super win for a gritty and talented bunch of players and a terrific coach! The praise from his players speaks volumes about him.
Re: Directors Cupdate - Viking_Guy - 05-10-2015
Terry--
It's all what's threatened most immediately.
This season, there were only a couple of strong contenders in the spring to continue the streak - women's water polo and men's golf. And as Hulk has mentioned, golf is a crap shoot at this point. I don't think the tennis programs, though on the upswing, are back to contending just yet, though I hope I'm wrong. And the streak has been left til so late in the season the last two years - it is more immediate, and changes on one game or performance.
That said, I was just as attentive two years ago during women's track and field - remember the incomparable Kori Carter and the entire season coming down to Florida's result in the women's 4x400 relay?
If the Bruins (or the Tar Heels, who I think are also a threat, given their strength in lacrosse) get close, I'm betting people will be watching T+F pretty closely again.
VG
Re: Directors Cupdate - Hulk01 - 05-11-2015
Men's tennis had another very good recruiting class. They should move up.
Golf might move up in the next few years from the impact of the update to the Siebel golf complex. And women's golf might make a strong push this season if Mariah Stackhouse can get her groove back. If she were playing to her number one form, Stanford would have a terrific 1-4.
Re: Directors Cupdate - CornFed - 05-11-2015
"If the Bruins (or the Tar Heels, who I think are also a threat, given their strength in lacrosse) get close, I'm betting people will be watching T+F pretty closely again."
Why are the Tar Heels even being allowed to compete? What has happened to the NCAA investigation into the cheating scandal that allowed thousands of North Carolina students, mostly athletes, to dispense with having to worry about performing academically. They had in place a systematic program to enable students to cheat to get through their classes from 1993 to 2010, as far as we know right now.
Am I misreading the scale and magnitude of the scandal? I have read nothing of late to suggest that there are any penalties being considered, much less imposed. The lack of action is astounding and the lack of media probing suggests to me that perhaps I have misunderstood the nature of the allegations. Maybe the whole thing was a big misunderstanding. But an article I read indicated that there was one professor that got fired and another has sued to keep from being fired. No coaches have gotten the boot to my knowledge.
It would be tragic in my view if it worked out that we lost the Director's Cup to North Carolina. On the other hand, perhaps their inclusion will work against UCLA which may not fare as well if North Carolina earns points that might otherwise have gone to the Bruins. That would be equally as tragic. I do not want to win the Director's Cup because a rogue program unfairly denies our competition the points they rightly deserve.
Re: Directors Cupdate - OutsiderFan - 05-11-2015
Is the Director's Cup streak a little bit misleading in that no school in the country plays as many sports as Stanford? Or are the other schools in contention playing as many as Stanford?
Re: Directors Cupdate - PrinceLightfoot - 05-11-2015
(05-11-2015, 06:08 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:Is the Director's Cup streak a little bit misleading in that no school in the country plays as many sports as Stanford? Or are the other schools in contention playing as many as Stanford?
In the aggregate, it is a bit clouded but not misleading. When one compares another university's teams vs Stanford using only the other school's NCAA teams, we still tend to beat their overall score. I made this calculation last year when the Oregon AD claimed The Ducks had the best score of schools fielding only 18 or fewer NCAA teams.
http://thecardboard.org/board/index.php?topic=10155.msg91784#msg91784
Re: Directors Cupdate - CTcard - 05-11-2015
(05-11-2015, 06:08 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:Is the Director's Cup streak a little bit misleading in that no school in the country plays as many sports as Stanford?
Why would that be misleading?
The point of the Director's Cup is to reward broad-based athletic excellence. Part of that is actually being broad based.
Re: Directors Cupdate - BigEasyCard - 05-11-2015
(05-10-2015, 07:39 PM)Viking_Guy link Wrote:So, while waiting for the WWP to get started, I looked over the cup scoring.
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We will score in 10 sports for both men and women (because fencing will be moved to the men's side of the ledger - it goes to the gender where it leads to the highest point total for the school.)
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So minimum right now is 1320.5, if there is no displacement of women's teams by higher scorers, and if both of the men's teams don't score more than 5 points.
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Trying to get my numbers out there before Terry corrects everything ;),
VG
VG, your numbers tie exactly with those in my tracking spreadsheet. Really appreciate your comprehensive presentation of the various scoring scenarios.
I suspect that our attention will turn more to the scoring possibilities of our closest rivals in coming weeks. One key point is that our remaining teams can still help the cause by besting our rivals, thus reducing their Cup points. Every effort still matters.
Geaux Cardinal! Â
Re: Directors Cupdate - Farm93 - 05-11-2015
FWIW - It probably will not be the Track & Field meet that will be the key. The real key might become the CWS. If UCLA does not make top 4, that would be helpful. If they are playing in the 3 game championship series, then that would be troubling.
My personal projections get Stanford 1385 or so. The most important aspirational tally is that men's golf will finish in the top 10. Given the nature of golf that is a shaky assumption. However, even a few individual results in track & field would add to the current 1320 level. That's how the 1,350 - 1,380 range is constructed. Women's golf, tennis and rowing can add to the total with top 5 finishes, but Stanford already has 10 women's teams with 60+ points. So the women's side is solid.
UCLA has all kinds of scoring possibilities left, but also has fewer solid scores in reserve. So early departures hurt them a lot. If their teams play in the NCAA events at levels consistent with current rankings, UCLA probably finishes in the 1330 - 1360 range with the unpredictable men's track standings creating my variability. However, UCLA has 4-6 teams with credible NCAA team title aspirations (Baseball, women's golf, softball, women's tennis, men's tennis & men's golf). If any of those 6 win a team title, and the others finish near their current rankings then UCLA probably finishes above Stanford's total. A good May for UCLA probably gets UCLA's total to 1420 or so.
For Stanford's cup chances it really is more about UCLA's performances than Stanford's performances now.
Re: Directors Cupdate - BobK - 05-11-2015
Ohio State plays as many as Stanford. Why do people keep saying we have more than anyone.Â
Also agree add the sports. Oregon took their soccer field for Football practice so they would have 3 practice fields.  Yes they did build a new soccer field
Re: Directors Cupdate - BostonCard - 05-11-2015
(05-10-2015, 08:33 PM)BobK link Wrote:Most of my friends believe like myself the Directors Cup is far more important than the single victory.Â
Look at today we win on a penalty with 11 seconds left. No skill in getting the penalty shot just pure luck and while the shot was great it was certainly a crap shoot. So much luck in winning it all. The Cup is so many sports so many athletes doing well to great
That said thank you Viking Guy. What a great post.Â
T&F will do well but top 10 depends on Maks and Solomon for the men and Bain's health for the women.
Today Harrison Williams was 2nd the the pac 12 decathlon breaking Stanford's oldest school record set in 1952 by Bob Mathias.
It is precisely because of the unpredictability that the championship streak is so impressive. At some point, you'd have thought the stars wouldn't align, and we wouldn't win a championship out of the four or five teams that are good enough to have a realistic shot each year. And yet, for each and every one of the last 39 years, we've had one or more teams come through.
To put this into perspective, I think of Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak. A lot of luck is involved in putting together that streak, and it ended because of some nice defensive work by the Indian's third baseman (he then out on a 16-game streak, so with a little break, he'd have hit in 73 consecutive games). The directors cup is like winning the batting title; the championship streak, and the fact that no one else has been close is like DiMaggio's hit streak. The former probably matters more over the course of a season, but the latter is more memorable.
Don't get me wrong, I want to win the directors cup. But I will be sadder when we don't keep the national title streak up.
BC
Re: Directors Cupdate - Farm93 - 05-11-2015
(05-11-2015, 01:02 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Don't get me wrong, I want to win the directors cup. But I will be sadder when we don't keep the national title streak up.So true.
BC
As it stands, if someone was not alive when Gerald Ford was President then they have never experienced an academic year without at least one NCAA team title going to Stanford University.
If a school had won just one NCAA team title in each of the 39 years in Stanford's run, that school would be 10th on the list of all time winners. 10th overall would place that school ahead of Michigan (36), Florida (34) and a certain school across the SF Bay (32).Â
Re: Directors Cupdate - fullmetal - 05-11-2015
I don't think any sport's success trades off with the success of another sport at an institution like Stanford Athletics, but let me know if I'm wrong.
Win it all!
Re: Directors Cupdate - BostonCard - 05-11-2015
(05-11-2015, 02:07 PM)Farm93 link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=12122.msg118099#msg118099 date=1431374551]So true.
Don't get me wrong, I want to win the directors cup. But I will be sadder when we don't keep the national title streak up.
BC
As it stands, if someone was not alive when Gerald Ford was President then they have never experienced an academic year without at least one NCAA team title going to Stanford University.
If a school had won just one NCAA team title in each of the 39 years in Stanford's run, that school would be 10th on the list of all time winners. 10th overall would place that school ahead of Michigan (36), Florida (34) and a certain school across the SF Bay (32).
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As it happens, Stanford has one at least one NCAA title in each of the academic years I've been alive; the first one in the streak on the year I was born!
BC
Re: Directors Cupdate - terry - 05-11-2015
(05-11-2015, 09:24 AM)BobK link Wrote:Ohio State plays as many as Stanford. Why do people keep saying we have more than anyone.Â
BobK is right. By my count, these are the numbers of Directors' Cup scoring sports for various schools. (I'm counting indoor and outdoor track separately because I believe both can be counted in the Cup scoring.) There are some other schools in the same range as Stanford with respect to the number of sports.
32Â Ohio State
32Â Harvard
30Â Stanford
30Â Penn State
29Â Michigan
29Â Yale
27Â North Carolina
27Â C'al
Re: Directors Cupdate - fullmetal - 05-13-2015
Some of our varsity sports aren't counted in Directors' Cup scoring, and I think that figures into the notion that we field more varsity sports than anyone. However, I do remember Harvard making a similar claim, and I never got around to verifying/counting this out. MIT used to field the most varsity sports (41, I think) until they had to cut eight some years ago.
With regard to NCAA-sponsored sports, Stanford does not field M/W ice hockey, bowling, skiing, M lacrosse, or riflery. Squash and synchro were removed from the NCAA's emerging sport list. Sand volleyball is on the emerging sport list and may be elevated to championship status if its popularity keeps up.
Of course, any NCAA-member school is free to sponsor any sort of varsity sport (e.g. rugby, lightweight rowing, equestrian, archery, etc.) provided that school adheres to NCAA regulations in the administration of that sport (for compliance).