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WBB the new offense - BobK - 10-28-2014

http://m.espn.go.com/ncw/story?storyId=11781932&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%22%7D


Going to be interesting.

Re: WBB the new offense - OutsiderFan - 10-28-2014

Don't usually read womens hoops articles, but need a diversion from the less than thrilling football season for the local teams and the Giants throwing up all over themselves tonight...

Very well-done and interesting read.  Thanks for posting the link.  I sincerely hope David Shaw has the fortitude to try new approaches and open his mind to new ideas like Tara V. has.

Re: WBB the new offense - 81alum - 10-28-2014

Superb story.  I love Tara's personality showing through:

Quote:"It makes me cranky sometimes," VanDerveer said. "It's a little stressful. You lose your all-time leading scorer and rebounder, your offense gets put in a handbag and goes to hell, and you've got a lot of freshmen you're counting on. I'm glad I have a long-term contract."

And then her summary:
Quote:"Our offense will be more oriented toward the guards. We will push in transition and go, and our bigs will run the floor. It's more get-it-and-go and share the ball."

I'm not sure how we will do this year.  Perhaps this will be an off year--hard to know what to expect.  But it is going to be a very interesting year and the games should be very entertaining.  And knowing Tara, we will wind up doing much better in March than in December.

Re: WBB the new offense - Jskass - 10-29-2014

well stated 81. should be a year of significant progress from Nov-Mar. Interesting that Kailee isn't mentioned in the article -- hope she is healthy! She showed signs of sparkle when healthy early last season.

Re: WBB the new offense - TheFarm07 - 10-30-2014

Two women's basketball rankings came out today:

Pre-Season AP Poll:

Stanford at #6 and three other Pac-12 teams ranked: #15 California, #20 Oregon State and #23 UCLA

Top 5:
1. Connecticut
2. South Carolina
3. N.D.
4. Tennessee
5. Texas A&M

ESPN released its top 20 recruiting class rankings for the Class of 2015 and we weren't on the list (2 Pac-12 teams were: UCLA at #9 and California at #17).

Top 5:
1. Louisville
2. Connecticut
3. Duke
4. Texas
5. N.D.

Re: WBB the new offense - Nan3cy - 10-30-2014

(10-30-2014, 12:19 PM)TheFarm07 link Wrote:Two women's basketball rankings came out today:

Pre-Season AP Poll:

Stanford at #6

Top 5:
1. Connecticut
2. South Carolina
3. N.D.
4. Tennessee
5. Texas A&M

That's interesting, since the preseason Pac-12 media poll (as reported by the Merc News) has C.al winning the Pac-12 and Stanford coming in second. But C.al isn't ranked in the top ten by ESPN. I guess that could be considered a testament to the (lack of) worth of preseason prognostications...


Re: WBB the new offense - TrumpCard - 10-30-2014

The recruiting rankings are off because ESPN doesn't have Smith in its database.  She's the star of the class. 

Re: WBB the new offense - TheFarm07 - 10-30-2014

(10-30-2014, 01:35 PM)TrumpCard link Wrote:The recruiting rankings are off because ESPN doesn't have Smith in its database.  She's the star of the class.

Hopefully they will soon, since they included other international players on the list.  It would be good to see how that would change our standing.

Re: WBB the new offense - 81alum - 10-30-2014

Angela Salvadores was not on the list until she was recruited, then she popped in at #5 overall.  I do hope they add Alanna Smith soon.  Will be interesting to see where they put her.  Salvadores had that spectacular game on the world stage in the U17 game, while Smith is not well known outside Australia, so she will be harder to evaluate by the American talent scouts.  But yes, if they evaluate her fairly and make her a 98 then we will have a top twenty class at least, perhaps better.

Re: WBB the new offense - 81alum - 10-31-2014

(10-29-2014, 08:41 AM)garvin link Wrote:That story made it sound like Tara has been running the triangle since the beginning of time. Actually, it's only been 10 years or so. I think it was introduced when Candice Wiggins was a freshman.
Good point, Garvin.  Since then Tara has occasionally thrown in something else--the Princeton for a game or two in specialized situations--such as when we beat Baylor--but never an overhaul like this.

For those of you who closely watched WBB in the 1990s, what kind of offense did we play? 

Re: WBB the new offense - BobK - 10-31-2014

We ran like crazy.  Of course the skill of the game is far better today.

Trivia:  Who won the first ever College Women's basketball game?  What was the score?  Who lost?

Re: WBB the new offense - yvonne - 10-31-2014

2-1 Stanford over UCB, in 1896. I remember reading somewhere (Women's Sports and Fitness magazine??) something about UCB not wanting to appear in public with less than full 1896 dress. But what I really want to know is who won the game between UC and Miss Head's School in 1892.

Re: WBB the new offense - 81alum - 10-31-2014

(10-31-2014, 08:45 AM)BobK link Wrote:We ran like crazy.  Of course the skill of the game is far better today.

Trivia:  Who won the first ever College Women's basketball game?  What was the score?  Who lost?
So what are the weaknesses of an up-tempo offense?  Does it automatically hurt your defense?  That was my impression of the Oregon version under Westhead.  And Tara has put such emphasis on defense.  What should we as fans be looking for to see if the transition is going smoothly, other than a fast pace and scoring a lot of points?

Re: WBB the new offense - BobK - 10-31-2014

Running could mean getting the ball quickly down the court.  No way Tara ever plays the Westhead shoot and then no defense becuase we await your next shot.    I would never call Westhead's O up tempo, way more than that. 



Re: WBB the new offense - TheFarm07 - 11-01-2014

Brief digression, but did you see Duke got a 5th commit for the Class of 2015 and it's another guard??

They have FOUR guards signed up for next year's class.

Re: WBB the new offense - OutsiderFan - 11-17-2014

Tara Vanderveer, much like Gary Patterson awith TCU football, brought in a totally new offense in 2014, going against their respective historical grains.  The results:

TCU among highest scoring teams in CFB.  Stanford women's hoops knocks off the insufferable Geno Auriemma and his UConn women hoopsters,snapping a 47-game win streak.

Good coaches do change their ways.  Never imagined seeing a Stanford women's hoops team win with superior guard play.  They absolutely did tonight.  Just fantastic coaching by Tara V.!



Re: WBB the new offense - washingtonismoney - 11-17-2014

(11-17-2014, 09:40 PM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:Tara Vanderveer, much like Gary Patterson awith TCU football, brought in a totally new offense in 2014...

The horse is dead, man. Why not just celebrate Vanderveer for what she's done and leave your idee fixe out of it?

Re: WBB the new offense - BostonCard - 11-17-2014

(11-17-2014, 09:43 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=11013.msg105481#msg105481 date=1416285639]
Tara Vanderveer, much like Gary Patterson awith TCU football, brought in a totally new offense in 2014...

The horse is dead, man. Why not just celebrate Vanderveer for what she's done and leave your idee fixe out of it?
[/quote]

I realize that there might have been a veiled reference to the football program, but to be completely fair to OutsiderFan, he never mentioned our football program, and did celebrate Vanderveer for what she's done; at least that's how I read " Never imagined seeing a Stanford women's hoops team win with superior guard play.  They absolutely did tonight.  Just fantastic coaching by Tara V.!"

BC

Re: WBB the new offense - yvonne - 11-17-2014

veiled in Saran Wrap

Re: WBB the new offense - fullmetal - 11-18-2014

I'd be happy if Shaw could change his QB recruiting/coaching ways and get a "spread" QB (not Shaw's philosophy) to use the speedsters we have in the backfield and WR corps.  Comfort zones are zones of decay.