ASU Post-Mortem - Printable Version
+- The CardBoard (https://thecardboard.org/board)
+-- Forum: C-House! (https://thecardboard.org/board/forum-4.html)
+--- Forum: The CardBoard (https://thecardboard.org/board/forum-5.html)
+--- Thread: ASU Post-Mortem (/thread-8068.html)
+- The CardBoard (https://thecardboard.org/board)
+-- Forum: C-House! (https://thecardboard.org/board/forum-4.html)
+--- Forum: The CardBoard (https://thecardboard.org/board/forum-5.html)
+--- Thread: ASU Post-Mortem (/thread-8068.html)
ASU Post-Mortem - 81alum - 10-18-2014
1. QB needs reconsideration. I turned on the radio while watching so I could hear Husak. I really think he gives very intelligent criticism of the QB and play calling I have never heard him so harsh. But more to the point, he was able to point out specifically what Hogan did wrong on nearly every play. It is mainly his vision and his inability to see the field. It really does seem as if he is playing with side blinders on. This causes him to miss open receivers and to miss blitzes. By not scanning the field, he also telegraphs the throw and makes it easier to defend. The TV announcers said that opponent Defensive Coordinators were now instructing their secondary to watch for when Hogan lowers the ball before his throw, since that gives them warning to start to break on the ball. As if that were not enough, he was also very inaccurate today. The inaccuracy does not only result in missed receivers, but cuts way down on yards after catch.
2. Offensive Coordinator needs reconsideration. I've said this from time to time over the last year and a half, but it has become painfully obvious. Game after game announcers and fans figure out what the opponent defense is doing to stop us and how to counter it before our OC reacts. Tonight it became obvious early in the game that ASU--which has a terrible defense--was run-blitzing and daring Hogan to use the short/intermediate pass. The few times we passed short to the TEs it worked well, but we did not stick with it. It seemed ridiculous that the TV and radio announcers were all saying the same thing but our playcalling was way too slow to react. Announcers also noted that the running back packages were tipping the opponent off as to playcalls. Remember that ASU has one of the most inexperienced and worst defenses in the Pac 12. They had some sort of advantage over us that cannot be explained by their talent level.
Lots of other things were bad and warrant criticism, but I will stop with those two. When the offense has regressed to Walt levels, it is time to make major changes with the two people who can change it the fastest.
Re: ASU Post-Mortem - scorecard - 10-18-2014
This is not to excuse Hogan's play. He was not good, and honestly has not really been good all year. But he was terrible today. He missed a ton of open passes and most were not even close. There was no zip or placement on the deep balls. His mechanics have also completely regressed and fallen apart. But I am wondering if his leg injury is bothering him more than we know. There were 2 runs today where he escaped the pocket, but he looked decidedly slow, and I don't really remember ever thinking that about him. This doesn't explain the mental errors and the lack of vision, but I wonder if it contributes to the overall stank.
Re: ASU Post-Mortem - ThePassionOfTheChryst - 10-18-2014
Hogan is mediocre at best. I read an article about a week ago that hit the nail on the head: he is a competent placeholder but nothing more.
I can't really imagine Hogan going into the draft unless he absolutely kills the second half of the season, which I also don't see. Not in this offense. So that will make camp interesting next summer. Hogan, Crower, Burns, and Chryst will all be in competition I would imagine. I know Hogan will be the incumbent three year starter but the competition will absolutely have to be opened up. If Hogan is just handed the job next year I will be prickly.
And I agree the playcalling is absolutely lackluster. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with being limited under center. Isn't Shaw the playcaller though? What is the dynamic there? Does Bloomgren put together the game plan like a menu and Shaw just pick plays?
Re: ASU Post-Mortem - Leftcoast - 10-19-2014
Ouch! That was the least fun I've had watching a Stanford game since Walt Harris was calling quick kicks on third down. We've played many bad games over the intervening years but this combination of listless offense, star players trying to play outside the system and a defense knowing they had to pitch a second half shutout or go home a loser made this outing the most depressing game experience in recent memory. A joyless four hour march with a result that seemed as inevitable as Sherman wetting his feet in the Atlantic on a prior trudge.
This is the second crisis in Shaw's tenure. I will be interested to see how he responds. I remain hopeful but you know what they say about hope and second marriages.
Re: ASU Post-Mortem - StanFan88 - 10-19-2014
Hogan is an average QB who is made to look below average because of a gameplan that fails to take advantage of his strengths and mask his weaknesses. If a guy only reads half the field and is a good runner, get him out of the pocket so that he only needs to look at half the field in the first place.
In a conference loaded with above-average QBs, Hogan is slipping into the bottom third.